To be fair a few of those clans have lost big streaks. It all happened rather fast, guess they didn't take enough time to adjust to the new MM.Originally Posted by BlindHaze
To be fair a few of those clans have lost big streaks. It all happened rather fast, guess they didn't take enough time to adjust to the new MM.
I can confirm some of what the OP is saying. I have made a post as well (a few weeks ago) where I stated I would much prefer to match an engineered clan then a cwl/ndl style clan. The war finder is far from fixed. The required trade off for offense and defense seems to be acceptable. We also have not lost to an engineered clan in the last 25 or so wars.
I do not think that it is necessarily reflective of the war finder being in a bad spot. It appears to me that the main reason most of these engineered clans loose is because of attack skills. They have been used to power spam double dipping, never learning how to attack properly. Now they are facing tougher defenses and it shows. Even though they have many more high end offense attempts at top bases then my clan, they cannot get back the easy stars they are giving away.
If they could attack properly, well I think it would indeed turn out to be a balanced match. But they can't and our defenses usually win us the war.
DeathStorm-10|22/23|2148*|FireStorm-10|17/20|2178*|SuperStorm-9|13/15|2147*
DragonStorm-9|8/8|1529*|PerfectStorm-9|8/10|1428*|BrainStorm-10|10/16|1452*
See he didn't say they weren't matching engineered clans because of maxing their bases. He said matching engineered clans has not proved to be a disadvantage to them being able to win the war, in fact it seems OP feels it makes the win easier (storm has also said this). Most who avoid engineering in their lineup think they should never match an engineered clan, which is just not realistic, and then cry unfair when they match an engineered clan. These are two very different scenarios being described.
"The war MMer still has a long way to go".....
How do we know this? Just because mismatches are posted on the forum doesn't mean that is the norm. What % of all war matches do we think these posted mismatches represent? Do WE have anyway of knowing this (SC i'm sure does)? What if all of the mismatches that occur only account for 5% of all wars? Do you still then consider the MMer broken? What would an acceptable % of mismatches be? Realistically with the huge diversity in upgrade paths 0% mismatches seems unfeasible, imo. Is it possible the clan war subforum just paints this perception of the MMer being broken when in reality if you see all the data for all wars that is just not the case? Just some thoughts I had not sure how I feel about them yet but thought I would get other opinions.
I didn’t say he said they weren’t matching engineered clans. I did say many report getting more fair matches when they themselves avoid engineering.
As long as certain defenses are overweighted, the matchmaker needs improvement. As long as clans get outnumbered by multiple full th11s, the matchmaker needs improvement. Whether that happens due to roster engineering, low weight bases or just plain faulty matchmaking, it needs a lot of improvement.
I never said the matchmaker is broken.
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I wasn't necessarily quoting you verbatim but kind of taking what you said and pushing a lot of the overarching themes of the mismatch threads from this forum into the discussion. Most people seem to think that if they don't engineer that SC stated they wouldn't ever match engineers (WE know this isn't true, but many do not). I was mostly pointing out that what this OP is stating, and Storm has stated as well, is not the usual statement from clans matching engineers. Most when they match engineers immediately go to mismatch and assume they have minimal shot at winning. This OP seems to be stating the opposite, they match an engineered clan and they crush them and feel confident they are going to win. That was mostly what I was trying to point out. Wasn't trying to refute anything you were saying kind of just expanding on it.
I never said that you stated the MMer was broken, my whole second paragraph was kind of hypothetical/rhetorical questions (more or less trying to spark discussion). I was just kind of echoing the general consensus of the mismatch threads on this subforum that say the MMer is broken/faulty/needs improvement/whatever other word you want to throw in here. I get that the MMer likely could always be improved on, especially because this is an ever changing game. But will this subforum ever consider the MMer "good enough" or will we always thinks it is in the "needs improvement" phase because all we ever see/look at in this subforum are the mismatches. Are we jaded by what we see here to the reality of the entire player bases experience when it comes to war? Tank says it very frequently in this subforum, this subforum a lot of times is out of touch with the realities of the majority of the player base for this game. Could it be that MMer being as bad as a lot think in here (not saying this is you) is a product of this as well?
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This is our reality as well, and no doubt for the vast majority of clans out there, who can't be bother coming to the forum to thank SC for how good is the match making. Sure, we get a mismatch here and there, but I can live with it.
By the way, many of the recent complaints on the forum are from engineers themselves who are now getting a taste of their own medecine.
I agree. I posed the question before:
If ALL war matches were posted on the forum, fair or mismatches, which side would have the overwhelming voice on the forums. No doubt in my mind the fair matches would. Do we become jaded to how bad/good the MMer is because all we see is mismatch threads for the most part?
Nope, not a long way to go at all. The mm is almost as perfect it can reasonably be right now. You may think it has a long way to go because you continue to push the MM to put a minimum weight equal to the previous TH...which is a non starter as far as SC is concerned.
I dont think you know this, but forums make up only a miniscule amount of total players. Every MM post on bad MM by no means makes up all the bad matches. In fact, im willing to bet they only make 1/1000 representations of bad matches out there. SC does not and will not have statistics if "% bad matches" has that is uncatchable to the mm when it matches "a fair opponent". The only data SC can use, is seeing war mismatches and seeing what went wrong, and making some tweaks accordingly. For me it seems like you think that a 1% or even less total community on forums represents the whole matchmaking. Also, theres shouldn't be a % total mismatches in the first place, if everything was weighted appropriately to perfection (which is very hard) and very specific parameters added to single out engineers and give weight accordingly. There would be little to no mismatches. What i would love to see, is SC add a minimum TH weight, make power potion way more easy to get so no matter a engi or rusher you will have max troops in war so you wouldnt be too drastically effected by your minimum weight.
Last edited by WhyDoIEvenPlayThisGame; January 26th, 2018 at 08:05 PM.
And how many clans has +300 wins streak? Exactly 2, out of millions of clans out there. Doubt SC really cares about these 2 outliers cases.
According to cocp.it, out of 125 clans who were able to gain a triple digit wins streak, 83 already lost it. Among the remaining 42 clans their streak intact, I can ONLY find 6 where their streak is still ongoing in 2018. I suspect most of those 42 clans stopped due to boredom, but I know several specific cases where they stopped warring in order to protect their streak...when they saw what the MM update of August 2017 did to their match ups.
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