Th9.11’s: asset or liability?

[WookieFloyd]

I think that as far as the War finder is concerned and for the good of the clan, a max offense 11 without inferno and eagle is better for clan composition then a max offense 11 with maxed th9 quota defenses. For just a bit more weight, you can pretty much guarantee not to be 3 starred by the majority of th10's and some th11's.

If your opponents don't have much over th9 or th10, you might be able to rock the true 9.11.

A th11, like ripples, doesn't get the advantage of preventing healing from infernos. But, thanks to the latest few "updates" from SuperCell, the additional damage from the additional levels of point defenses offsets just about as much damage as the infernos would prevent healing. And you get to spread it all over the map.

The point defense level increases only made bases like ripples stronger in my opinion. Making them more efficient for the weight.

We found this to be true as well until clashers started discovering the new power of the rebuffed miner. A th11 with aq walk into mass miners makes these th9.11 bases much easier then before. It is almost a gimme, tbh. I watched many poorly executed attacks like these still end up being successful. It was enough for me to drop my infernos.

Honestly before the miner buff my base got 3* maybe twice, and only by max th11s. After that the base got 3* every other war and didn't even have to be maxed heroes th11.

[stealthmtn]

We found this to be true as well until clashers started discovering the new power of the rebuffed miner. A th11 with aq walk into mass miners makes these th9.11 bases much easier then before. It is almost a gimme, tbh. I watched many poorly executed attacks like these still end up being successful. It was enough for me to drop my infernos.

Honestly before the miner buff my base got 3* maybe twice, and only by max th11s. After that the base got 3* every other war and didn't even have to be maxed heroes th11.

You could have run an anti-miner base but obvious trade-off v bowitch, which for casuals is more common attack to face. Thats probably easier said than done, however.

Personally, my clan drew clans with heavier 9.11s due to our 9.5s, but we never had enough 11 attacks to cover the heavy 9.11s. 9.11 def will always trump th10 offense - which is what those bases will pull (usually other 9.11s, full 10s, or 9.5s, depending on clan build). Even if qw miners could crush 9.12s, we didn't have th11 coverage.

So it ultimately depends on whom you draw. Id still take a 9.11 over a th10 anyday.

[Ripple1972]

Lots of attention.....
My thoughts, there are a lot of these bases out there, probably better than mine, so we can call them Ripple bases, but really just maxed th11 except inferno and eagle.
i think they can be an advantage, but wouldn’t want them as an anchor. Mixed in with a few max defense bases, they probably are a plus.
Im sure a th10 can 3 it. Just hasn’t occurred.
Miners have 3’d it, but again if it forces a max or close to max th11 to “dip” it’s an advantage.
RR, I will be in the cwsf clan for a while stop by any time. I won’t share defensive replays if you don’t share my offensive fails.

[Clark11308]

Lots of attention.....
My thoughts, there are a lot of these bases out there, probably better than mine, so we can call them Ripple bases, but really just maxed th11 except inferno and eagle.
i think they can be an advantage, but wouldn’t want them as an anchor. Mixed in with a few max defense bases, they probably are a plus.
Im sure a th10 can 3 it. Just hasn’t occurred.
Miners have 3’d it, but again if it forces a max or close to max th11 to “dip” it’s an advantage.
RR, I will be in the cwsf clan for a while stop by any time. I won’t share defensive replays if you don’t share my offensive fails.

I guess the real question is, are you really planning to drop the chicken and burners? If your seriously considering it I think that speaks volumes for how effective they still are.

[Ripple1972]

I guess the real question is, are you really planning to drop the chicken and burners? If your seriously considering it I think that speaks volumes for how effective they still are.

I am considering it. Currently, no gold. Have to max those sweepers.
Hard to pull trigger, as it has taken 3 th11 attacks and not been 3’d. They were not great attacks, but I don’t see many great attacks.
Given, how easy it is to get middle heroes, middle warden, I see more spam, bad funnel, attacks that fail.
So, I am not as dedicated of an engineer,I still believe overall I have an advantage.
Until that changes, not dropping them.

[ReplicantRachel]

RR, I will be in the cwsf clan for a while stop by any time. I won’t share defensive replays if you don’t share my offensive fails.

Thanks, sounds like a deal.
I can’t do it this week but will try to join before the holidays if it’s ok with you

[ahboi00]

As someone who had a fully maxed th9.11 at about 85 or 86k weight I can speak from experience. Our typical war lineup included a few near max th11s, a couple th10.5s, 2 max th9.11s, and few th10s, some th9.5s, and whatever else was needed to round out our numbers. At this point after the two most recent MM changes we have abandoned the th9.11s. Infernos and eagles are dropped and we are moving them to max bases. We found that we regularly found ourselves at a th11 disadvantage running a lineup similar to what I described above. We also have noticed that since the miner buff that these infernoless bases have become increasingly easier to 3* or we just all of sudden started facing much better competition.

I find this to be true. Max offense 9.11 most likely draw TH11s or other similar bases and are very very tough for TH10s to triple.

[WookieFloyd]

Lots of attention.....
My thoughts, there are a lot of these bases out there, probably better than mine, so we can call them Ripple bases, but really just maxed th11 except inferno and eagle.
i think they can be an advantage, but wouldn’t want them as an anchor. Mixed in with a few max defense bases, they probably are a plus.
Im sure a th10 can 3 it. Just hasn’t occurred.
Miners have 3’d it, but again if it forces a max or close to max th11 to “dip” it’s an advantage.
RR, I will be in the cwsf clan for a while stop by any time. I won’t share defensive replays if you don’t share my offensive fails.

We did not find that even having max th11 anchors above our two th9.11s helped mask these. Every war except a few we were even or out number on the th11 front. These bases didn't always match max th11s but usually full th11s with eagle and infernos at a minimum.

I also have never seen a th10 3* these bases and I highly doubt that it is really all that possible as many have tried on mine.
I don't really look at a th11 hitting a th11 as a dip. Don't kid yourself, just because you don't have IT or EA doesn't mean you are not a th11.

[WookieFloyd]

I guess the real question is, are you really planning to drop the chicken and burners? If your seriously considering it I think that speaks volumes for how effective they still are.

I dropped my IT and EA because we just matched full th11s every time, and with the miner buff saw a major increase in the amount of times the base gets 3*.

[WookieFloyd]

You could have run an anti-miner base but obvious trade-off v bowitch, which for casuals is more common attack to face. Thats probably easier said than done, however.

Personally, my clan drew clans with heavier 9.11s due to our 9.5s, but we never had enough 11 attacks to cover the heavy 9.11s. 9.11 def will always trump th10 offense - which is what those bases will pull (usually other 9.11s, full 10s, or 9.5s, depending on clan build). Even if qw miners could crush 9.12s, we didn't have th11 coverage.

So it ultimately depends on whom you draw. Id still take a 9.11 over a th10 anyday.

Can you please tell me what an anti-miner base without infernos looks like? I personally have never seen one. I use aq walk into miners for most of my dips and I have only failed once against a th10 and never against an infernoless base.

Also we did not find that our max th9.11 pulled other 9.11, th10s or 9.5s. It was a minimum of a th10.5 but more then likely it was a full th11, usually not maxed but sometimes. I am sure this is war roster dependant but before the recent MM changes these bases almost always pulled in th10s or 9.5s