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    A continuing tale of horrendous matchups from Supercell's wonderful war matchmaking

    After seemingly seeing decent matchups a few weeks ago with relatively close opponents, our last 3 have been horrendous.

    Ended on Nov 17: 16/10/14 vs 22/9/9 (LOSS)
    Ended on Nov 15: 14/5/11 vs 22/6/2 (LOSS)

    Yesterdays's matchup (after nearly spinning for 3 hrs with a few restarts) brought us the following:
    15/4/11/0 vs 25/2/2/1

    Let's breakdown that matchup:

    # US THEM
    1 Max 11 45/45/20 Max 11 45/45/20
    2 Max 11 45/45/20 Max 11 45/45/20
    3 Max 11 45/45/20 Max 11 45/45/20
    4 Max 11 45/45/20 Max 11 45/45/20
    5 Max 11 45/45/20 Max 11 45/45/20
    6 Max 11 45/45/20 Max 11 45/45/20
    7 Max 11 45/45/20 Max 11 45/45/20
    8 Max 11 45/45/20 Max 11 45/45/20
    9 Max 11 35/40/20 Max 11 45/45/20
    10 Max 11 40/40/20 Max 11 45/45/20
    11 Max 11 45/45/20 Max 11 45/45/20
    12 Max 11 40/42/9 Max 10.5 45/45/20 (max troops)
    13 Max 11 45/45/20 Max 10.5 45/45/20 (max troops)
    14 Mid 11 40/45/8 Max 10.5 45/45/20 (max troops)
    15 Mid 11 33/40/17 Max 10.5 44/45/20 (max troops)
    16 Max 10 40/40 Max 10.5 45/45/20 (max troops)
    17 Max 10 32/40 Max 10.5 45/45/20 (max troops)
    18 Max 10 38/40 Max 10.5 30/43/17 (max troops)
    19 Low 10 30/32 Max 10 39/40
    20 Max 9 30/30 Max 10.5 no inferno 45/45/20 (max troops)
    21 Max 9 30/30 Max 9.11 w/1 inferno 45/45/20 (max troops)
    22 Max 9 26/30 Max 9.11 45/45/20 (max troops)
    23 Max 9 26/30 Max 10.5 31/31/14
    24 Max 9 23/27 Low 9.11 16/22/5 (no max troops)
    25 Max 9 24/25 Max 9 17/22
    26 Max 9 20/22 Max 9.5 30/40
    27 Max 9 17/18 7.11 w/45/45/20 & max bowitch valk
    28 Max 9 21/21 Max 8.5 18/20
    29 Max 9 21/22 Defenseless 11 38/45/20 & max bowitch
    30 Mid 9 19/23 Mid TH8 7
    Low: new, few new defenses & troops
    Mid: max troops, lower defenses
    Max: max troops & max defenses
    Max troops: for war mostly (bowlers, witches, valks, healers, hound, loons & spells)

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    Now I know I'll get negative replies (it ain't the forums without it), but I couldn't care less. I'm just going to keep reporting these stupid matchups and you know why? Because its very difficult trying to run a clan when people are hopeless and frustrated war after war. Our TH9's are trying to improve their attacking skills, yet they're lucky to have a few bases to hit every war. It doesn't allow them to practice against equal opponents. Same thing for our 10's. As leaders we try to keep morale up. We have clanmates questioning what we need to do to get better matchups but I have no answers to give them.
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    There is a thread to report war bad match ups. I didn't look at your details to see if it was bad or not. That's for SC to decide.

    It's worth posting it here if you feel it is bad. Be sure to provide the information they are looking for:

    https://forum.supercell.com/showthre...for-science%29

    It's from Darian, a Supercell employee, and is being monitored with reports going to the development team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DevilsFan1973 View Post
    After seemingly seeing decent matchups a few weeks ago with relatively close opponents, our last 3 have been horrendous.

    Ended on Nov 17: 16/10/14 vs 22/9/9 (LOSS)
    Ended on Nov 15: 14/5/11 vs 22/6/2 (LOSS)

    Yesterdays's matchup (after nearly spinning for 3 hrs with a few restarts) brought us the following:
    15/4/11/0 vs 25/2/2/1

    Let's breakdown that matchup:

    # US THEM
    1 Max 11 45/45/20 Max 11 45/45/20
    2 Max 11 45/45/20 Max 11 45/45/20
    3 Max 11 45/45/20 Max 11 45/45/20
    4 Max 11 45/45/20 Max 11 45/45/20
    5 Max 11 45/45/20 Max 11 45/45/20
    6 Max 11 45/45/20 Max 11 45/45/20
    7 Max 11 45/45/20 Max 11 45/45/20
    8 Max 11 45/45/20 Max 11 45/45/20
    9 Max 11 35/40/20 Max 11 45/45/20
    10 Max 11 40/40/20 Max 11 45/45/20
    11 Max 11 45/45/20 Max 11 45/45/20
    12 Max 11 40/42/9 Max 10.5 45/45/20 (max troops)
    13 Max 11 45/45/20 Max 10.5 45/45/20 (max troops)
    14 Mid 11 40/45/8 Max 10.5 45/45/20 (max troops)
    15 Mid 11 33/40/17 Max 10.5 44/45/20 (max troops)
    16 Max 10 40/40 Max 10.5 45/45/20 (max troops)
    17 Max 10 32/40 Max 10.5 45/45/20 (max troops)
    18 Max 10 38/40 Max 10.5 30/43/17 (max troops)
    19 Low 10 30/32 Max 10 39/40
    20 Max 9 30/30 Max 10.5 no inferno 45/45/20 (max troops)
    21 Max 9 30/30 Max 9.11 w/1 inferno 45/45/20 (max troops)
    22 Max 9 26/30 Max 9.11 45/45/20 (max troops)
    23 Max 9 26/30 Max 10.5 31/31/14
    24 Max 9 23/27 Low 9.11 16/22/5 (no max troops)
    25 Max 9 24/25 Max 9 17/22
    26 Max 9 20/22 Max 9.5 30/40
    27 Max 9 17/18 7.11 w/45/45/20 & max bowitch valk
    28 Max 9 21/21 Max 8.5 18/20
    29 Max 9 21/22 Defenseless 11 38/45/20 & max bowitch
    30 Mid 9 19/23 Mid TH8 7
    Low: new, few new defenses & troops
    Mid: max troops, lower defenses
    Max: max troops & max defenses
    Max troops: for war mostly (bowlers, witches, valks, healers, hound, loons & spells)

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    Now I know I'll get negative replies (it ain't the forums without it), but I couldn't care less. I'm just going to keep reporting these stupid matchups and you know why? Because its very difficult trying to run a clan when people are hopeless and frustrated war after war. Our TH9's are trying to improve their attacking skills, yet they're lucky to have a few bases to hit every war. It doesn't allow them to practice against equal opponents. Same thing for our 10's. As leaders we try to keep morale up. We have clanmates questioning what we need to do to get better matchups but I have no answers to give them.
    What do you find terrible about this match? Looks like you have a slight advantage to me?
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    Quote Originally Posted by StormHeart View Post
    There is a thread to report war bad match ups. I didn't look at your details to see if it was bad or not. That's for SC to decide.

    It's worth posting it here if you feel it is bad. Be sure to provide the information they are looking for:

    https://forum.supercell.com/showthre...for-science%29

    It's from Darian, a Supercell employee, and is being monitored with reports going to the development team.
    I'm aware of the thread and I've reported our matchups in that thread also, and to Darian directly. He has a complete list of our war matchups over the last 4 months.
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    Good, glad you are reporting them there. I only do when I feel a war is unwinnable. We've had too many of those. Bad match this time but it's not horrific so I won't add it.

    Quote Originally Posted by DevilsFan1973 View Post
    I'm aware of the thread and I've reported our matchups in that thread also, and to Darian directly. He has a complete list of our war matchups over the last 4 months.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StormHeart View Post
    Good, glad you are reporting them there. I only do when I feel a war is unwinnable. We've had too many of those. Bad match this time but it's not horrific so I won't add it.
    I think I would rather have the extra full th11s that OP has?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2222 View Post
    What do you find terrible about this match? Looks like you have a slight advantage to me?
    Yes, we have a defensive eagle advantage, but very disadvantaged offensively. If you counted, they have 9 extra 11's (18 attacks) with max war troops. That means alot more chances than we do at putting in a 3 star. But that wasn't the entire point of my thread. So what are our 9's going to hit? They'll clear 24-30 with ease, and then will be left with 14 attacks on scouting? After 3 hours of searching, I'm sure the search could have come up with something a lot better than this. I would wait an another 3 hours for the search to find a more even TH by TH alignment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2222 View Post
    What do you find terrible about this match? Looks like you have a slight advantage to me?
    I don't see it that way, they seem outclassed on offense with what I'd call a small defensive advantage. From my point of view all those extra warden attacks is hugh, unless they can't improve % or stars no matter how many shots they get. This is another big issue with finding balance. What I may find to be a advantage because of my skill set or playstlye may be completely different to others. How do you balance that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DevilsFan1973 View Post
    Yes, we have a defensive eagle advantage, but very disadvantaged offensively. If you counted, they have 9 extra 11's (18 attacks) with max war troops. That means alot more chances than we do at putting in a 3 star. But that wasn't the entire point of my thread. So what are our 9's going to hit? They'll clear 24-30 with ease, and then will be left with 14 attacks on scouting? After 3 hours of searching, I'm sure the search could have come up with something a lot better than this. I would wait an another 3 hours for the search to find a more even TH by TH alignment.
    Quote Originally Posted by Clark11308 View Post
    I don't see it that way, they seem outclassed on offense with what I'd call a small defensive advantage. From my point of view all those extra warden attacks is hugh, unless they can't improve % or stars no matter how many shots they get. This is another big issue with finding balance. What I may find to be a advantage because of my skill set or playstlye may be completely different to others. How do you balance that.
    I guess I look at it as OP can 3 star everything other than the full th11s and the enemy can do the same, meaning OP wins.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2222 View Post
    I guess I look at it as OP can 3 star everything other than the full th11s and the enemy can do the same, meaning OP wins.
    If those 10.5 are MAX excluding eagle they are nasty. It's not simple to 3* those. They are well out of reach of any TH10. OP only has a dozen max-ish TH11s who have a chance of 3*ing them - and 18 targets that strong or stronger. It would need a pretty high success rate to get many triples on the top 18 given that many attacks will be taken up just with the 2*.

    Whereas enemy has 45/45/20 stuffed in every pocket and corner. They get so many tries there's a chance they'll kill real max TH11s.
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