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    Update to fix matchup in wars seems to have made it worse

    Every war we face clans that have very low defence at the bottom with very high troops and heroes. "Engineered" bases give the opposition a distinct advantage. In our current war we have our #16s matching up as a th8 for us vs th11 for them. Their base has only one cannon with many maxed troops and high level heroes. He can get 2 stars on our #1, which allows top guys to drop and pick off higher th10s. They have 3 such bases. War matchups are broken.heroes and offence needs to start meaning alot more. Not sure how to fix it, but this is the 7th straight war that we are at a huge disadvantage due to this.

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    Have you read https://forum.supercell.com/showthre...Q-Matchmaking?

    Do you have any rushed bases?
    Do you have any bases with offence a TH level above defence levels?
    Do you have any minimax bases (e.g. one level 1 cannon, max bowlers and heros)?
    Do you have any .5 bases (e.g. TH9 with no x bows, TH10 with no infernos or too few x bows, TH11 with no eagle or too few infernos or x bows)?
    Do you roster engineer (add a few low th bases on the bottom of your war)?

    Yes? Sorry, you need to expect this.
    No? Me either, you have just been war mm'ed, you have my sympathy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clashncurt View Post
    Every war we face clans that have very low defence at the bottom with very high troops and heroes.
    FAQ 2. SC we've got a horrible match take a look. How did this happen?

    The answer may be a simple as, the matchmaker is far from perfect. You can try to bring it to SC's attention in the sticky post in the Clan Wars subforum - Clan War Mismatch. You will not get a response.

    There may be issues with your roster as well however, that make fair matching difficult. Running uncommon lineups (odd TH spreads, defenseless, th3 ringers, even mild engineering such as .5s) can lead to strange matching in your favor or against you, long searches, or even no match at all. On the other hand, most warring clans are small (10 or 15) so odds of a good match are better with smaller rosters. Put up your clan tag along with the specific issue (often, "other side has a big offense edge") and allow visitors if you'd like the members of the forum to take a look and offer advice.
    Due to how complicated the issue is, partial information isn't very helpful. Don't bother noting the townhalls involved, or a few select 'mirror matches'. Put up your clan tag so we can see what's up.
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    It is probably worse not because of the mm but because non engineers have quit ( so your defensive rushed casual and maxer)

    Therefore your probability of matching eng is higher

    When they fix it all the eng will leave and we will be left with less...and worse matching

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    Quote Originally Posted by TankSinatra View Post
    FAQ 2. SC we've got a horrible match take a look. How did this happen?

    The answer may be a simple as, the matchmaker is far from perfect. You can try to bring it to SC's attention in the sticky post in the Clan Wars subforum - Clan War Mismatch. You will not get a response.

    There may be issues with your roster as well however, that make fair matching difficult. Running uncommon lineups (odd TH spreads, defenseless, th3 ringers, even mild engineering such as .5s) can lead to strange matching in your favor or against you, long searches, or even no match at all. On the other hand, most warring clans are small (10 or 15) so odds of a good match are better with smaller rosters. Put up your clan tag along with the specific issue (often, "other side has a big offense edge") and allow visitors if you'd like the members of the forum to take a look and offer advice.
    Due to how complicated the issue is, partial information isn't very helpful. Don't bother noting the townhalls involved, or a few select 'mirror matches'. Put up your clan tag so we can see what's up.
    Why would roster and weird line up be the reason for unfair matches? The answer is that it is not because of that. It's the MM that is at fault here. A Frankenstein MM is what they have created with this "fix". Now everyone is looking for why they get bad matches. Roster... weird line up... low bases at bottom.... To use a favorite word from Mr. D, this is a Placebo effect at work. None of this is the reason people are getting bad matches.

    We have a war MM that is trying to "customize" a match for you depending on your "play style". This is nuts. The variables necessary to actually make this work are insurmountable. In another word, it is impossible. Yet, they keep on ignoring this fact.

    Until they assign a default defense weight to a TH, and have the MM be able to add this to bases that are lopsided, we will continue to have bad wars.

    If the above was done, there would be no play styles, wars would even out into a standard style and be fair to all. The more you divide something into categories, the more complicated it gets and the less control you have. SC is trying to have as little work as possible by "hacking" the current MM. Not gonna work guys. Rewrite the MM and be done with it.
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    Yes! I wish they would assign a default for each TH. There needs to be a standard for each TH. Fair wars should be the top priority.

    Wouldn't it be nice if there were also a standard for 10v10,15v15,20v20 where you bring x number of each TH. Then we, in our clans, could strive for this standard rooster.

    While farming I see people with level 5 air defense upgrading to TH10. That should not be allowed! People have no idea what they are doing, you should not be able to upgrade to TH10 with level 5 air defense period.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iBork View Post
    Why would roster and weird line up be the reason for unfair matches? The answer is that it is not because of that. It's the MM that is at fault here. A Frankenstein MM is what they have created with this "fix". Now everyone is looking for why they get bad matches. Roster... weird line up... low bases at bottom.... To use a favorite word from Mr. D, this is a Placebo effect at work. None of this is the reason people are getting bad matches.
    There's no question clans with heavy .5s, defenseless, and bottom ringers are complaining about bad matches left and right. Benching the accounts in question for a few spins is a smart thing to try. Far more likely to get you results, and quicker, than waiting for SC to fix something that may be working as intended.
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