Builder Timing Bug? INFLATED

[Forte]

I don't subscribe to any of the conspiracy theories. I do not believe SC would do this on purpose.

If you genuinely believe SC is this crooked, why would you continue playing? What does that say about your own character?

Remember we are all friends here, and tend layman's terms, such high vocabulary (later posts, and generally) often portray yourself as pretentious, and a form of pseudo-intelligence if the nuances of the word don't quite fit.

Now, I can only speak for myself, but I, in the greater picture, see SC as a very player-first company (primarily would be a stretch), but in particular case, it appears to be lacking.

Let's assume for a moment that the bug isn't a scam (not my favorite choice of words here) but an unintended error that is either not worth the time/effort to fix (e.g. the servers go down for a week for testing and a solution) , or still too complex to fix. Why keep those of us concerned about it in the dark? Check Icekool's list of unanswered questions (most of which are truly constrictive questions), then there are a whole host of others. Is it not worth the time to try to patch it over with the community? If so I'll find the iron "E" award, because that would be something else.

Perhaps there in lies the problem. Maybe they can't fix it for one without breaking another.

I'm not entirely sure what you mean by this? I understand some scenarios for this, but they seem to be quite inefficient if those are the prior conditions.

[dahimi]

I don't think quitting the game is necessary if one believes the company is crooked. Especially considering most people who discover this bug are already highly invested in the game with their time and maybe money too. I believe the proper response would be to just stop spending money on the game altogether. After all, anyone who plays the game without spending money is actually costing Supercell a marginal amount of money due to overhead costs. In the unethical restaurant example, this would be equivalent to going there, eating the complimentary bread and water, and leaving.

You're actually wrong. Every minute you spend playing the game ultimately helps SC whether you are paying or not. Sure when taken to an extreme case of no one paying it would be an issue, but that isn't really a reasonable case. The game needs freeloaders in order to actually have enough players to be entertaining enough (and have enough resources) to entice others to pay.

Furthermore let's say the restaurant in question offers free meals. You see nothing ethically wrong about accepting free meals from an entity you know to be morally corrupt? Perhaps you don't, but I think many others would see an issue with this. I personally would never accept a free meal from a restaurant run by known racists.

Now, I can only speak for myself, but I, in the greater picture, see SC as a very player-first company (primarily would be a stretch), but in particular case, it appears to be lacking.

I think this is a fair statement.

Let's assume for a moment that the bug isn't a scam (not my favorite choice of words here) but an unintended error that is either not worth the time/effort to fix (e.g. the servers go down for a week for testing and a solution) , or still too complex to fix. Why keep those of us concerned about it in the dark? Check Icekool's list of unanswered questions (most of which are truly constrictive questions), then there are a whole host of others. Is it not worth the time to try to patch it over with the community? If so I'll find the iron "E" award, because that would be something else.

Also excellent points which I whole heartedly agree with.

I'm not entirely sure what you mean by this? I understand some scenarios for this, but they seem to be quite inefficient if those are the prior conditions.

What I mean is that all of SCs time based games appear to use the same time keeping system. Without being privy to the inner workings of that system, I am suggesting that perhaps the way the games interact with that system are different. Thus it may be very difficult to fix the problem in such a way that it works for coc while not breaking hay day or boom beach.

Of course I really have no idea. At the end of the day we are all simply speculating on what the issue could be because for whatever reason SC hasn't been forthcoming on information concerning this issue.

[nathannathan1232]

What I mean is that all of SCs time based games appear to use the same time keeping system. Without being privy to the inner workings of that system, I am suggesting that perhaps the way the games interact with that system are different. Thus it may be very difficult to fix the problem in such a way that it works for coc while not breaking hay day or boom beach.

Of course I really have no idea. At the end of the day we are all simply speculating on what the issue could be because for whatever reason SC hasn't been forthcoming on information concerning this issue.

If this is not intentional, maybe this is why-

currently, when you upgrade something it starts a countdown timer it supercell's computers. When you do something like re load the game, it interferes with the countdown, and adds time. To fix it, they could have a clock in their computers, and instead of saying "this will upgrade in 10 days", it would say something like "this will upgrade at 2:15, june 5."

Idk if it would work. I am not an expert game maker, but I thought of it, and decided to post it.

I posted what might be happening. I think it's very possible.

[Icekool17]

They said they already fixed it...

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Look around in those lines of updates. They said they fixed the times of shields and build times being out of sync. Liars.

Ha, maybe they did 'fix' it....in that they made it affect everyone, instead of it being rare.

That or they soon 'rectified' it in a maintenance/update very soon after.

Or, like you say...liars.

[Forte]

What I mean is that all of SCs time based games appear to use the same time keeping system. Without being privy to the inner workings of that system, I am suggesting that perhaps the way the games interact with that system are different. Thus it may be very difficult to fix the problem in such a way that it works for coc while not breaking hay day or boom beach.

Of course I really have no idea. At the end of the day we are all simply speculating on what the issue could be because for whatever reason SC hasn't been forthcoming on information concerning this issue.

I think I get what you mean. If we assume that since it appears in three distinctly coded games, it is unlikely something in the coding, rather something server-side or in the transfer process. While I imagine separate servers for the games, I see little chance for completely distinct systems, as that would seem rather inefficient. Again speculation and nothing more.

[MarionCast]

Wow. I only realized this now. My 5-day Tesla upgrade which I started at 1pm is going to finish today at almost 3pm. God. I am seriously ♥♥♥♥♥♥.

[michancoc]

I always start my upgrades at 8:00, just before I go to school, expecting that they would finish efficiently on time at 8:00 a few days later. It gets to a weekend and the upgrade is meant to finish at 8:00, and instead finally finishes 12:00. I don't really know why it happens but I have heard about it for ages now. What is the reason its sooo delayed and how can it be fixed?

hi, i meet same bugs, have you solved it?

[Icekool17]

hi, i meet same bugs, have you solved it?

No. No they have not. They haven't even answered questions about it....for months.

[LaughingPanda3]

MAJOR UPDATE: ACCORDING TO THIS POST (CLICK), THE EXACT SAME IS HAPPENING IN HAYDAY AND BOOM BEACH.....



Update: join the clan!
http://forum.supercell.net/showthread.php/182322-Fix-Time-Scam%21-Recruiting

Before reading the rest of my post, you should know that the title of this thread is very misleading. As I hope you'll understand from my post, there is no question about this issue at all, there shouldn't be any questionmark. It's also not just restricted to builders. Explained below is a massive "bug" that affects every person playing this game, including you.


This thread is about a "bug" in the game which causes the time to be inflated (details below). The "bug" affects everyone playing this game, and is easily tested and proven. Sadly many people don't realize it until they're made aware and don't realize that they're being duped. If you, while reading this, are in that group... well, keep on reading
This "bug" has been documented since at least November 2012, and has most likely been around since the beginning of CoC. See the bottom of this post for links to earlier threads.


The concepts affected by this time inflation are:
- Builders constructing or improving a building
- Laboratory upgrades
- Resources being generated (mines, pumps, drills)
- Troops and spells being created
- Clan castle request timer
- Hero sleep timer


Not affected:
- Shield time
- Push notifications


The time added (or 'lag' from now on) isn't smoothly spread over the duration of the upgrade; rather it's added in increments of a few seconds upon performing certain actions. Testing consistently points to between 5 and 5 1/2 seconds added per increment.

The known causes all converge to the loading of one's village:
- Opening up and reloading the game (includes after "Are you there?" message)
- Viewing replays
- Returning from any visited village, which includes:
--- Playing or just viewing a single player mission
--- Attacking or just viewing through revenge
--- Attacking or just viewing through matchmaking (note: you only return to your own village once regardless of how many bases you view at a time in matchmaking. You don't get multi-penalized as far as I know)
--- Viewing other players' bases (top players, clanmates, people in general, revenge preparation, etc, etc)
- Finally, according to Supercell's own support team, your base is also affected when it is loaded (for attack or viewing) by other people than yourself. This means that your times will also get inflated, even when you don't even spend a second online yourself. Every time a player gets the option to attack you (whether they take it or not) and every time someone decides to (for whatever reason) just check out your awesome base, time gets added to all the things affected.


It is very easy to test the problem and see it with your own eyes. A demonstration of how to do so is given in this video:



Note that you can recreate the effect with any of the affected concepts (the Archer Queen upgrade is merely an example) and with any of the ways to load your village (rebooting the app is also merely an example).
Also, please note that there have been many pictures and videos posted of proof such as this one. It would clutter this post if I put them all in here, so I picked one that shows the essence of the problem in a fast and clear way.

Oh, and you thought the scam couldn't get worse than this? Well, it sure can. If you spend gems on boosting your barracks, spell factory, or mines/pumps/drills, the lag gets 'boosted' as a side-effect too. So you're just imposing a bigger lag on yourself. Thanks Supercell, just what we were looking for, paying for more lag! Lol...

So now you are probably thinking something along the lines of "well, if this has been known for over a year, why is it still here?"


There have been various people in this community who noticed it early on, and have worked hard to raise awareness and offer solutions. Throughout the threads, many solutions have been offered. Just a few examples include:
- Fixing the bug outright (obviously preferred and required)
- Effective compensation by subtracting 5 seconds for all affected issues per village load
- Compensation in the form of reduced base building times (e.g. 4d 22h instead of the listed 5d, so that with the lag accounted for it is roughly the 5d that is to be expected)
- Other forms of compensation, such as an increase in gems, so that those can be spent on instant-finishing the lagged portion of things.
- And even more... these were just off the top of my head


So, with all this knowledge and wealth of ideas and solutions, what does Supercell do?
Steve (Supercell) has stated repeatedly that there are no plans to fix this bug.


I'll have to ask you the following: please look again at the affected concepts mentioned at the top of this post. Do you see a trend? I do. These are all functions that can be sped up and/or instantly completed with gems.


Effectively, the only true resource in CoC is time. You get everything directly proportionate to the amount of time you spend in the game, be it waiting for upgrades or be it farming for walls/heroes, etc. Supercell's business concept is genius in its core: all they really sell, is time. Everything that can be gemmed, ultimately comes down to buying time.
Many people have strict daily patterns: the same work times every weekday, therefore the same bedtime, etc. It is not right that after starting an update at for example 11pm, two weeks later it'll be done at 2am. This puts people with a 3-way dilemma:
- Will I stay up? Obviously not reasonable for many people. Not to mention that it'll only be even later next time...
- Will I leave my resources filled up overnight and the builder idle for many hours? Well, preferably not...
- Or do I just gem the 2 hours that are left?


This is how people are being duped. They are forced into choosing between unwanted (and unnecessary) situations, and gemming. Thus, it is highly unethical to refuse to fix a "bug" that directly affects the product you sell. Even more so, when the vast majority of customers is unaware. And especially, potentially, if it's done intentionally.


Whether it was implemented intentionally or not, that's something only Supercell will ever know. However, it can be truthfully be stated by now that leaving it for what it is, thereby prolonging the duping of customers, is done intentionally. If Supercell truly valued the playing experience and corporate ethics above money, this would have been fixed (or at least announced and compensated) the very first update after becoming known to them. Supercell did not do so.


In my book, the continued ignoring and downplaying of this "bug" is nothing more than the continuation of what has become, or perhaps always has been, a scam.

Some references to other threads on this issue (Supercell's rug):
http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...ta-update-info
http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...mer-difference
http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...training-delay
http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...INFLATED-proof (49 pages)
http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...g-timer-glitch
http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...u-call-it-POLL
http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...9-Did-you-know

Edit;
It seems that there is some confusion about why this "bug" is commonly called a scam. The reason I call this "bug" a scam is because of following:

- Fact: this "bug" causes all times displayed in the game (with exception of shields) to be a misrepresentation of reality.
- Fact: it's been present in the game for over a year, at the very least since November 2012, possibly/likely longer.
- Fact: it's been repeatedly presented to Supercell and explained in full detail, including how this "bug" is incentive to a habit of gemming that would otherwise not be present.
- Fact: Supercell has dismissed the "bug" with no reasonable prospect of it being fixed in the near future, thereby retaining its effect of additional gemming.
- Fact: Supercell has made no effort whatsoever to make this issue and its effects known to the general public and playerbase. Every attempt to do so has been player-initiated. A case could even be made for the opposite, i.e. that they're attempting to hide and cover it, but that topic is not for this message.

There are many definitions of "scam", the most commonly found ones being a "fraudulent scheme" and a "confidence trick". It's pretty clear that given the set of facts above, this "bug" and how it's being handled easily fit the definition for both:

Supercell gains trust by stating specific times for the affected issues, and by being a large, reputable developer their is initially no reason to question the times stated. As we all know, reality proves that the stated times are incorrect. Effectively, Supercell violates the trust players have in the stated times. Players are unaware of this, unless they manage to find it out themselves or from others, as Supercell does not inform them of this violation of trust. The vast majority of players either doesn't take notice, or ignores it, blame themselves making mistakes, etc. This leads to people gemming bits and pieces to keep upgrades on schedule, especially when the schedule is tight because of repetitive patterns such as work and sleep. Supercell accepts the gems and provides no prospect of change in the situation of the "bug", which still goes unnoticed by many.

Given how this is completely based on facts alone and perfectly fits the common definitions of a scam, I feel completely justified in stating it as a fact itself. If you are able to substantiate your believe that this "bug" is not a scam, please do so, and I will of course happily stop using the word if your reasoning makes more sense than mine.

THIS MAN DESERVES A MASSIVE PONY AND 350 DOLLARS!!!!!

That video, however, is VERY.......disturbing

[Tonedidit]

Day by day this thread gets pushed deeper into the depths of a sub forum many rarely check and this seems like this is what SC wants. And still no response from anyone on the situation thats going on....... Smh