Clan War Mismatch - Gathering new infoz (again for science)

[Thegreatpuma]

#20CJCRC8V, war kings too, GMT 7.15AM july 30 2020.
They have two more th13 than us. We have a 9 win streak they have a 17 win streak.

Their heros and bases are more leveled up top. So what sucks is we did put in a th7 and a th8 to fill rhe last two spots in the war instead of taking out three th11. I think its a bit gross that we have to take out 3 th11 instead of putting in some low bases to fill. Why can't the system just ignore the low bases instead of apparently adding a huge amount of weight and matching us vs engineers?! I mean the enemy has quite a few low bases down there and seems to be getting good matchups... something is broken here. We aren't trying to effect the matchmaker to get an advantage. In fact I didn't want to include the bottom 3 or 4 players in our war because i knew from reading this thread that it could mean we get an unfair match. But i didn't want to take out people either. They ARE trying to get an unfair advantage and its working for them that shouldn't be possible in th13 wars.

So on cocp.it that matchup does not look that bad. In fact it is pretty even. I also noticed two 11s near the bottom that stood out to me since they were flagged as engies on your side. First one was this:

https://www.clashofstats.com/players...L0RVQVUV8/army

That base sure looks engineered to me... Unless you are using that term to only refer to sandbagged defense. The base below it, mini Andrew is built exactly the same. Clearly trying to save by avoiding offensive weight.

Do you happen to have hero or gold weight comparisons for this match? It's way too big for me to do manually. But without that there's really no way to say one way or the other on this.

ETA actually those bases have somewhat sandbagged defenses too. Yet both have fully maxed army camps, and th11 maxed edrags and loons. These are clearly engineered bases. Do you have any others like this in your lineup?

[Wachichi]

So on cocp.it that matchup does not look that bad. In fact it is pretty even. I also noticed two 11s near the bottom that stood out to me since they were flagged as engies on your side. First one was this:

https://www.clashofstats.com/players...L0RVQVUV8/army

That base sure looks engineered to me... Unless you are using that term to only refer to sandbagged defense. The base below it, mini Andrew is built exactly the same. Clearly trying to save by avoiding offensive weight.

Do you happen to have hero or gold weight comparisons for this match? It's way too big for me to do manually. But without that there's really no way to say one way or the other on this.

ETA actually those bases have somewhat sandbagged defenses too. Yet both have fully maxed army camps, and th11 maxed edrags and loons. These are clearly engineered bases. Do you have any others like this in your lineup?

They where the two th11 that I was thinking about taking out with the th7 and th8. I should have and usually do. (No there are no other engineered bases). I still feel it was a missmatch. It would be more fair if all four of those bases where considered to be th11 It seems by putting in low town hall level bases the opposing team had not only one more leveled up th13, but also an extra th13 that was only just th13 and lower than other th12.
I can see how you would say it was not that bad clearly far worse matchups happen. They had one more th13 defensively. but having two more th13 offensively is a big advantage combined higher level th13 than us in so far as 6 high level defenders versus 4 high level defenders. And 14 high level attacks vs 10 high level attacks. Whether this was a missmatch depends on the criteria. This isn't me complaining about our matchup or asking why it happened or for advice on how we can fix it. This is me reporting something for science. Thanks for your analysis.

[Thegreatpuma]

They where the two th11 that I was thinking about taking out with the th7 and th8. I should have and usually do. (No there are no other engineered bases). I still feel it was a missmatch. It would be more fair if all four of those bases where considered to be th11 It seems by putting in low town hall level bases the opposing team had not only one more leveled up th13, but also an extra th13 that was only just th13 and lower than other th12.
I can see how you would say it was not that bad clearly far worse matchups happen. They had one more th13 defensively. but having two more th13 offensively is a big advantage combined higher level th13 than us in so far as 6 high level defenders versus 4 high level defenders. And 14 high level attacks vs 10 high level attacks. Whether this was a missmatch depends on the criteria. This isn't me complaining about our matchup or asking why it happened or for advice on how we can fix it. This is me reporting something for science. Thanks for your analysis.

Yup.

Remember a couple of things too-

First, when you have lopsided accounts like that you have a higher risk if matching others doing the same.

Second, you continue to talk about th level with respect to being overmatched. This is mostly meaningless. You can have th13s that are easily 3* by a weak 12 and/or can't hit higher than 11. The real test for a bad matchup is hero levels, troops levels and gold weight. That 13 sitting in the middle of those 12s is unlikely to be able to defend a strong 12 attack.

If you have discord for your clan you can add sidekick and it gives you a nice hero comparison at the start of each war. This can give you a good idea of which way the match leans right at the start.

One last thing to bear in mind that we talk about here over and over and over. That is the fact that the mm simply doesn't recognize a huge difference between 12s and 13s. Right now, as you cross the halfway point at 12 you're much more likely to draw 13s.

[Wachichi]

Yup.
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Remember a couple of things too-

First, when you have lopsided accounts like that you have a higher risk if matching others doing the same.

Second, you continue to talk about th level with respect to being overmatched. This is mostly meaningless. You can have th13s that are easily 3* by a weak 12 and/or can't hit higher than 11. The real test for a bad matchup is hero levels, troops levels and gold weight. That 13 sitting in the middle of those 12s is unlikely to be able to defend a strong 12 attack.

If you have discord for your clan you can add sidekick and it gives you a nice hero comparison at the start of each war. This can give you a good idea of which way the match leans right at the start.

Thanks for your advice. I will try that and for sure won't be putting in lopsided or lower than usual bases. Of course I just did that rather than choosing which faithful and solid th11+ to take out. When I talked about town halls I am talking about heros. I wouldn't consider adding a matchup here as a missmatch if it wasnt largely missmatched on heros. The top 4 where simillar to ours, near max defence and 70+/70+/45+/20 plus like us. their number 5 and 6 was aswell. However our number 5 was like their low th13 which was #12 40/50/30/10 ish. And it had mostly th12 defences with some big defences. Compared to s near max th13 #5 and #6
Thats why i call missmatch th13 heros troops and defence. However they where also the better team on the day the loss is fine I do think its worth posting how teams are achieving favourable missmatches and I believe this is the case on thier side.

[doloresmiles7]

Getting matched to Clans which are much stronger than your own Clan is very awkward. We all don’t want lose the win streak we have been working on for months, don’t want to see your TH9 villages get ripped by TH10 . Hope will get some good tips here.

[Krishnasing9]

THIS THREAD IS NOT FOR POSTING ABOUT CLAN WAR LEAGUE MISMATCHES

We're still gathering information on how the matchmaking changes are impacting everyone. While we can and do review these data, it's difficult to monitor millions of records trying to find specific results. If you feel you were mismatched in your Clan War, then we'll require some information from you.

To make things much simpler than before, there are only 4 bits of information we'll need:

Clan ID:#CQRY200U
Clan name:FRNDS
War Start Date:19 September 2020
War Start Time (GMT):12:16pm (GMT)
Comment: we search for war- 18 September 2020 at 12:16pm (GMT) Friday and war starting- 19 September 2020 at 12:16pm (GMT). hello sir i am very old player to this game but after coming town hall12 and town hall13 then We getting always miss match in our clan war. There we take only 1 town hall13 and our opponent has 7 town hall13, how it fair match making and opponent also have engineer bases . Please banned them or send warning to max there bases or use limitation on clan war which player did not build there all buildings which is there before town hall levels all buildings, then not able to play any kind of war. If you are making new rules to eligible for clan war. I am sharing my photos link https://photos.app.goo.gl/kb79o2djhNPAbtrQ9

Make sure the time zone is noted, though we prefer GMT.

The start time is largely to make sure we're looking at the right war. Once a week I'll be giving this report to the engineers to review.

Feel free to include a comment of what was mismatched. Though we can see the War results, we also want to get your perspective as well as it's important to understand your point of view too.

If you're not comfortable sharing any of the above information on the forums, feel free to PM me the information with the subject line [Clan Mismatch] so I know to review the message.

Clan name:FRNDS
War Start Date:19 September 2020
War Start Time (GMT):12:16pm (GMT)
Comment: we search for war- 18 September 2020 at 12:16pm (GMT) Friday and war starting- 19 September 2020 at 12:16pm (GMT). hello sir i am very old player to this game but after coming town hall12 and town hall13 then We getting always miss match in our clan war. There we take only 1 town hall13 and our opponent has 7 town hall13, how it fair match making and opponent also have engineer bases . Please banned them or send warning to max there bases or use limitation on clan war which player did not build there all buildings which is there before town hall levels all buildings, then not able to play any kind of war. If you are making new rules to eligible for clan war. I am sharing my photos link https://photos.app.goo.gl/kb79o2djhNPAbtrQ9

[Ajax]

Clan name:FRNDS
War Start Date:19 September 2020
War Start Time (GMT):12:16pm (GMT)
Comment: we search for war- 18 September 2020 at 12:16pm (GMT) Friday and war starting- 19 September 2020 at 12:16pm (GMT). hello sir i am very old player to this game but after coming town hall12 and town hall13 then We getting always miss match in our clan war. There we take only 1 town hall13 and our opponent has 7 town hall13, how it fair match making and opponent also have engineer bases . Please banned them or send warning to max there bases or use limitation on clan war which player did not build there all buildings which is there before town hall levels all buildings, then not able to play any kind of war. If you are making new rules to eligible for clan war. I am sharing my photos link https://photos.app.goo.gl/kb79o2djhNPAbtrQ9

There is no possibility whatsoever that SC would remotely consider banning them or warning them. They are playing entirely within the ToS of the game.

Looking at your photos, it doesn't look like much of a mismatch anyhow. They have teo TH13 to your none, but then you have TH12 down to 8, while theirs only go down to 6, and there isn't too much difference in TH11or TH10. In a 30v30 war, you having two more TH12s is likely to be of more benefit than their TH13s.

[Krishnasing9]

There is no possibility whatsoever that SC would remotely consider banning them or warning them. They are playing entirely within the ToS of the game.

Looking at your photos, it doesn't look like much of a mismatch anyhow. They have teo TH13 to your none, but then you have TH12 down to 8, while theirs only go down to 6, and there isn't too much difference in TH11or TH10. In a 30v30 war, you having two more TH12s is likely to be of more benefit than their TH13s.

Yeah how we getting every time unfair match making on every Classic wars we can only win if opponent did mistake other wise losing every matches check out this link i am share this war and few others war
https://photos.app.goo.gl/Zsv75pUtnYZYZ5SQ8

https://photos.app.goo.gl/1mAVP5cU4zkM7M2y6

[Thegreatpuma]

Yeah how we getting every time unfair match making on every Classic wars we can only win if opponent did mistake other wise losing every matches check out this link i am share this war and few others war
https://photos.app.goo.gl/Zsv75pUtnYZYZ5SQ8

https://photos.app.goo.gl/1mAVP5cU4zkM7M2y6

is this your clan?
https://cocp.it/clan/CQRY200U

Based on photos I found on twitter I am going to assume that's the clan you are referring to. I'm at a loss as to how you consistently match that way, but I will hazard a guess that your clan is mostly maxers and your opponents are heavily rushed. I don't know how else this match could happen.

Based on your recent record (21 wins and 2 losses in past 23 wars) you're clearly still winning at an exceptional level, so claiming that these wars are unfair for you seems a bit incorrect. It almost looks unfair for your opponent. you're consistently scoring mid to high 90%, and in some cases (i.e. vs Clan Killers and Dangerous) you perfected the opponent's Th12s and 13s with your TH11s. This is NOT a mismatch.

That said, my guess is if you shrunk your TH range (say to include 13/12/11 only) you would be more likely to encounter clans similar to yours, and get matchups that you might consider more "fair". My guess is they will be harder to win though, so don't think this is going to make your wars easier. Right now you appear to be running wars in some sort of Goldilocks like zone where you get matches mostly against inexperienced, casual and rushed clans.

[Krishnasing9]

Sorry for to many posting on every were but, you can say we dont have any engineered bases or rushed bases but how it fair match making you can check our every matches we never get any fair matchmaking always get unfair matchmaking, we can only win if our opponent did any mistakes other wise we did best attack's at same th vs as we possible but our opponent have 7 town hall13 and we never get 3 start on town hall13 with town hall12. You can say how it possible. Other wise we win many matches with our combination clan members idea and our best attacks. Am not angry for loss this war i am angry for unfair matchmaking... You can see which war is correctly on going on our clan there we again get our opponent 4 th13 and there we have 2 th13
Check few wars which i have photos
https://photos.app.goo.gl/1mAVP5cU4zkM7M2y6