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    The Builder Base isn’t fair; mismatches; BH1 vs BH8; etc....

    Can we talk?

    From time to time, we get a flood of messages on the forum saying that the BB isn’t fair, matchmaking is a disaster, BH4 is always going up against BH5 who is always up against BH6....

    Although it seems like things are a bit lopsided, in reality it’s just not so. Let me explain.

    The BB is a PvP (Player vs Player) game. Unlike day-mode Clash, BB trophies establish player rankings along largely offensive lines. Although your game’s ability to defend is important to winning matches, it’s really your attacking skills that determine how you rank. Stronger attackers naturally accumulate more wins and are therefore higher in the trophy ranking system.

    This system is self regulating; certain “sweet spots” exist where each Builder Hall (BH) level can live and thrive. Ideally, the closer you get to the top of your BH’s trophy bracket, the more developed your game is overall and the more likely you are to be plotting your move to the next level. Right now, the brackets seem to be running....

    BH4 - up to 1500
    BH5 - up to 2500
    BH6 - up to 3500
    BH7 - 3500 and up

    Even within the top level BH, there are sub-brackets.

    3500-4000 - Entry Level BH7 players, stronger BH6 players
    4000-4500 - Typical BH7 players
    4500-5000 - Stronger BH7 players
    5000+ - Exceptional BH7 players, primarily those who spend heavily on the game

    These brackets are somewhat in flux, especially when a new BH level is released, and there will always be players who live outside the brackets because they’re either really good attackers or they’re just not so hot at attacking. Although there’s really no penalty for rushing your game, some players will rush to BH levels faster than their attacking skills develop while others prefer a slower, near-max approach. This sets up the occasional underdog match.

    If you’re the underdog, that usually means you are at the top of your BH level’s trophy range and should consider upgrading. It may also mean that your opponent is still getting his Clash creds and needs more practice. In any case, it isn’t really an unfair match - you’re both at roughly the same level as an overall reflection of your game.

    When a new BH level is released, things go haywire. Lots of players upgrade, even though they’re at low trophy levels, and there are more underdog matches. This is a temporary meta - in no time at all, these new, higher level, players will clear the lower trophy levels and gameplay will return to normal, but with one caveat...the new, higher BH level will take over the leaderboards and push yesterday’s leaders down in the ranks. (That’s when those sweet spots I mentioned earlier find themselves in rapid flux.)

    Short of establishing hard-coded brackets by BH level, there’s no way to design a system that keeps BHx only battling BHx while never seeing BHx+1. PvP game designers have a choice - set arbitrary limits on growth, or use a more challenging, self-regulating ranking system like the one deployed in the CoC BB game.

    Players will also sometimes find themselves in a free fall; no matter what you do, you just can’t seem to break a losing streak. This phenomenon is not unique to the CoC BB; it happens in every PvP game. Your best bet is to just take a break for a few hours (or even overnight) and try again later. Gameplay varies widely, depending upon the make up of players online at any given time. (For example: Weekends and evenings have a bigger draw so they’re often more competitive.)

    In summary, as you play, try not to think of matches as being unfair so much as being an overall equivalency that is generally balanced. No matchmaking system is perfect; most matches will have one player who is a little better than the other - but that’s a good thing as it means you’re more likely to get a decisive outcome. And since we don’t lose any resources along the way, losses have minimal impact on your progress in the game. Besides...come on...it’s REALLY fun to throttle someone who’s at a higher level than you, right?

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    to whom it may concern,
    I read this thread and was a little bit angry honestly. I always find some higher townhalls which is very unfair. I understand that this is a pvp game but I'm not responsible that the other gamers are so bad in attacking. I would prefer to wait a little bit more to search an opponent which have the same level than fighting against a higher one! This is too unfair!!! Please correct this. I'm a big fan of coc and I'm playing this game for four years, but when there wouldn't be a change for this problem, I have to give up my coc account.
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    Nice work but Im afraid it will have no impact on the forum.
    Last edited by iRvN; October 10th, 2017 at 12:42 PM.

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    It is NOT unfair, it is just showing u r above ur range

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    Quote Originally Posted by HCD1992 View Post
    to whom it may concern,
    I read this thread and was a little bit angry honestly. I always find some higher townhalls which is very unfair. I understand that this is a pvp game but I'm not responsible that the other gamers are so bad in attacking. I would prefer to wait a little bit more to search an opponent which have the same level than fighting against a higher one! This is too unfair!!! Please correct this. I'm a big fan of coc and I'm playing this game for four years, but when there wouldn't be a change for this problem, I have to give up my coc account.
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    HCD1992
    What was it that made you angry? The OP gave a very detailed answer a very common complaint.

    Quote Originally Posted by iRvN View Post
    Nice work but Im afraid it will have no impact on the forum.
    Considering what happens in 'General' right know I relalize this forum is a mass and the managers here are to lazy to keep it well orgenized. Just today I saw new theard about BB matching in the wrong forum, and instead of deleting it, it got moved to the Builder sub forum. I mean.. COME ON, just yesterday we had this talk.
    Isnt Forum's Manager is their job? To keep track on theards and posts.
    Theards are repeating themself constantly, there are 10 new theards about the sneak peak, while there should be ONE!
    As more as I visit here the less I want to come back
    I don't think that you are giving the mods enough credit. They do an excellent job of keeping these forums clean. It is unrealistic to think that people will only start threads which interest you. You don't have to open the thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by Noctaire View Post
    Can we talk? <snip>

    If you’re the underdog, that usually means you are at the top of your BH level’s trophy range and should consider upgrading. It may also mean that your opponent is still getting his Clash creds and needs more practice. In any case, it isn’t really an unfair match - you’re both at roughly the same level as an overall reflection of your game.

    When a new BH level is released, things go haywire. <snip>
    *hits nail on the head*

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    I think this thread should be stickied as a must read for BB players.

    Great job again, Noc!

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    I think that the builder base level should be taken into account during matchmaking. You really can't expect a BH6 to defeat a BH7 or BH5 defeat a BH6, that is Simply Unfair. The attacker must have a fair chance to win every battle. The main base matchmaking is better (excluding top players who complain about clouds) since townhall is taken into consideration but you start getting less trophies as you move upwards in the trophy ladder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alexthegreat04 View Post
    I think that the builder base level should be taken into account during matchmaking. You really can't expect a BH6 to defeat a BH7 or BH5 defeat a BH6, that is Simply Unfair. The attacker must have a fair chance to win every battle. The main base matchmaking is better (excluding top players who complain about clouds) since townhall is taken into consideration but you start getting less trophies as you move upwards in the trophy ladder.
    The trophy ladder for the BH is a self regulating layered system where there is a slight amount of inter BH fights along the borders of the different layers. As the stronger BH is bound to win (even having a few extra buildings is an advantage) each BH will be pushed toward it's natural layer with each fight.

    BH5s don't belong above 3K trophies anymore, and pretty soon, even BH6s will have to actually FIGHT to stay above 3500.

    Everybody will be sorted according to a combination of strength and skill soon enough. Skill can get you a bit into the layer above you, but eventually the opponent's strength will win out.

    Don't complare this trophy system to the one on the main base.. This is completely different and it actually does work, though people will continue to complain about unfair matches in the usual entitled way :-)

    Rushing pays off on the Builder Base.. Get it through your skulls :-)

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    1) dont compare bb to main base. two totally different gameplay concepts with different economy distribution
    2) if you want to progress faster, play in a manner that the game mechanics are advantageous for you regardless if you like that playstyle or not. but if you want to play in a manner that you like,be happy with a bit slower progression.

    as simple as that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HCD1992 View Post
    to whom it may concern,
    I read this thread and was a little bit angry honestly. I always find some higher townhalls which is very unfair. I understand that this is a pvp game but I'm not responsible that the other gamers are so bad in attacking. I would prefer to wait a little bit more to search an opponent which have the same level than fighting against a higher one! This is too unfair!!! Please correct this. I'm a big fan of coc and I'm playing this game for four years, but when there wouldn't be a change for this problem, I have to give up my coc account.
    Best,
    HCD1992
    The morale is rush, don't push.

    I've started playing my alt again last week and I'm a bh4, aiming to bh5 and yes, some people are bad, but I'm going to bh5 with lvl 1 defenses. My goal is becoming a rushed bh7 at 3k+, never climbing. If I get 4k, good, if not, it's ok. I don't need to be at the loot cap since I'm rushing lower bhs and I certaily don't want/expect to be on the place where "I belong" - 4500+ - because my alt base just can't handle it.

    Once you are near to the virtual "cap" for your bh level (or your skill cap, on bh7), expect a lose streak back to where you should 50-50 (every time I get a win streak for 2 days of loot, I book 1h+ for the builder base on the next base because I know a losing streak is coming - I.e. a good base design gets me way above "my league", skill-wise).

    The system isn't unfar for a reason - It doesn't allow people to climb using permanent bh3s, i.e., creating a loophole - the best way to climb would be not advance your base and hit new players/people that weren't playing bh since the beginning, because that hypothetical MM would find you bases of your level to beat.
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    People keep using the word "adapt" after big updates. Not adapting worked maybe too well for me, tho.

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