Collecting Clan War matchups...for science...and stuff!

[stealthmtn]

I think we got that by now. And I have been asking what insight that SC is missing from my table above that SC requires to form an opinion/analysis. The troops? Wait, he did not ask for that either. I have posted data from 3 wars and people have commented and provided valuable insights. But, we have not heard anything from Darian since he posted the sticky.

I agree offensive levels should be in the table. If I posted in here, I would include troop levels, camp size, hero levels, etc.

However, this info is also available from the API. Might be easy enough for them to access (assuming a clan tag is provided).

[Legion82]

Do you know how SC collects the data? I surely don't. But if they have all this data, which they do, it seems they could collect it on any scale that they want. For example, if I have a noticeable mis-match... I send them both clan ID's, which war it was, they check it out, badda bing badda boom... the data is at their fingertips.

The complaint from a lot of us players is about SC putting the burden-of-proof on the players in the form of laborious/tedious data entry (info that SC presumably already has). So what's the point in us sending in our ad-hoc excel spreadsheets, each one formatted slightly differently... when they already have the data and are getting paid to analyze it?

Oh and for the guys that actually are sending data in... as the OP suggested, where's SCs response? I hear crickets.

[stealthmtn]

Do you know how SC collects the data? I surely don't. But if they have all this data, which they do, it seems they could collect it on any scale that they want. For example, if I have a noticeable mis-match... I send them both clan ID's, which war it was, they check it out, badda bing badda boom... the data is at their fingertips.

The complaint from a lot of us players is about SC putting the burden-of-proof on the players in the form of laborious/tedious data entry (info that SC presumably already has). So what's the point in us sending in our ad-hoc excel spreadsheets, each one formatted slightly differently... when they already have the data and are getting paid to analyze it?

Oh and for the guys that actually are sending data in... as the OP suggested, where's SCs response? I hear crickets.

Clan tag of matches v table makes more sense. Better yet, a form stating to enter clan tags so SC can flag a match would be better (not a thread flooded with comments).

But SC likes giving the forumites a finger workout, though .

I would not expect an individual response for SC for bad matches. They are probably looking at those posted, developing a trend, and going from there.

[TheAaTeam]

I would not expect an individual response for SC for bad matches. They are probably looking at those posted, developing a trend, and going from there.

Just in case it's not clear

Dear Darian, I am not asking for you to respond to individual matches. I am asking if my table is enough or if there is 1 or 2 additional info that you need. I am just trying to follow the 80/20 rule.

Best Regards,

[SuperStorm103]

Just in case it's not clear

Dear Darian, I am not asking for you to respond to individual matches. I am asking if my table is enough or if there is 1 or 2 additional info that you need. I am just trying to follow the 80/20 rule.

Best Regards,

yeah several of us would like to know if our information is good.

[WH7DX]

The current war match-up (still ongoing). Probably is another L (4 losses in a row). Admittedly, we are already defeated mentally.

We took out all 0.5 bases. The TH spread is still there. I will remove that in the next war. There is no way our bottom three can take theirs. That means this makes it a 7vs10 war. That means no room for error. So, regardless if you say "we could have, should have, would have", it doesn't matter. If the match-up leaves you with 'no room for error' (four in a row!), there is something wrong with the match-ups.

By the way, our 8 is a new TH9. He maxed all TH8 troops, spells, and defs (except for poison).

No	TH	BK	AQ	GW	EA	IT	XB	Loot Entry	Def Weight	Def Diff	Def Weight	Loot Entry	TH	BK	AQ	GW	EA	IT	XB
1	11	45	45	20	1	3,4	4,4,4,4	21200	106	1	105	21000	11	25	30	11	2	5,5	5,5,5,5
2	10	30	40			3,3	4,4,4	17400	87	0	87	17400	10	27	25			3,3	4,4,4
3	10	31	41			2,2,	3,3,3	17200	86	4	82	16400	10	19	20			1,1	3,3,3
4	9	30	30				3,3	14000	70	1	69	13800	9	26	26				3,3
5	9	18	20				3,3	13600	68	-1	69	13800	9	22	24				3,3
6	9	14	16				3,3	13400	67	-1	68	13600	9	23	20				3,3
7	9	16	22				3,3	13200	66	-2	68	13600	9	18	17				3,3
8	9	10	3					11800	59	-8	67	13400	9	11	11				3,3
9	8	10						13000	52	-12	64	12800	9	10	8				2,2
10	6							8334	25	-34	59	11800	9	10	3				1,3
Total		204	217	20	1					-52				191	184	11	1
		BK	AQ	GW	EA					-5.2				BK	AQ	GW	EA

If your clan is on the left side I dont see a problem. You have a noticeable hero advantage on top. If you guys are good with hogs your 9s can clear the lowers. I see this as an advantage to you on top and them on bottom. Ill take advantage on top all day long.

[Vikingchief]

If this is an attempt to get people to consider the full picture and reflect thoughtfully on the match

1 much less information is required, it would be enough to compare Eagles, wardens, infenoes, royals, strongast war army, base defence weight.
2 If you think all the info is required, suggestion, i think by blombardo, having a Google form so we all have e same format and week by week you could pull out a summary rapport to see how matchups are reported would be a better option.
3 HOW ON EARTH IS THEIR NO INPUT FOR OFFENSIVE WAR TROOPS? Its half the storey, sometimes more.

if this is for supercell data colections

1 please please put defence data into the API, there are a number of people who would link to websites/programs to automatically pull the data, and i would think supercell could provide is both a meta rapport and support for complainants/complimenters who provide war time and clantag.

I hope that it is for both 1 and 2, but even If it is just for 1 I think Its a fantastic idea to get people to think about their matchups, to form as a platform for discussion, and to try workout If the marchmaker is getting better or worse.

at the moment the forums is anecdote after anecdote, all good data, but nothing generalisable or even really informational. Yes we know there are a lot of bad matchups, because the search pools became smaller to to lopsided constraint, but there are also lesss lopsided advantage.

check our anecdote, we were raiding high with free warden effect (19 in a row) and the new matchmaker as visible by the emberasing warlog since change (also due to bowler witch effectiveness loss), shows how effective it was in this one instance of providing fair matches. More fun for us, and for opponents.

supercell has never been this involved, they fixed modding, we never thought they would, maybe they on to this. Yes i hear tank, dorsan, viking, and many others feeling like this may be some lip service, but man this is the most we have got in 4 years, focus on the matchmaker, interaction, who knows where this can lead.

and guys, i am suspicious of supercell as the next guys, but you guys are being a bit hostile to what is really a good idea, with some improvments a great one, and we should jump at the chance to offer better suggestions, help him help us, and try get a better understanding of the performance of the matchmaker.

we have a supercell contact wanting our feedback and willing to discuss it with us, Its a step foward, come on, lets give it a go.

and Darian, please get defence data into he API data so we can really help you.

[LaceyStacey]

Our last three matches were pretty fair. The war match we just pulled is really bad / unwinnable...

• The opponent has 1 more eagle than we do.
• The opponent has 4 more wardens than we do.
• The opponent top 5 defenses are significantly higher than ours.
• The opponent heroes are higher than ours.

No	TH	BK	AQ	GW	Loot Entry	Def Weight	Def Diff	Def Weight	Loot Entry	BK	AQ	GW	TH
1	11	35	37	15	20600	103	-6	109	21800	45	45	20	11
2	11	31	38	16	20400	102	-7	109	21800	45	45	20	11
3	11	45	45	20	20400	102	-7	109	21800	45	45	20	11
4	11	44	45	20	18800	94	-11	105	21000	45	42	19	11
5	11	45	45	20	18200	91	-5	96	19200	44	44	20	11

[HulaGirl]

There has to be an easier way to get this data. Even if we had thousands of people reply here and list the detail of what Darian is asking for, is SC really going to take this manual data and analyze it? Reliability is also in question as I could post a match saying I had all TH9s in war against all engineered TH11s. Easy enough to make up false stats.

Darian, I respect the effort and appreciate the willingness to look at these matches. It's a lot of information to fit in a table though and offensive levels need to factor in as well.

[TheAaTeam]

The current war match-up (still ongoing). Probably is another L (4 losses in a row). Admittedly, we are already defeated mentally.

We took out all 0.5 bases. The TH spread is still there. I will remove that in the next war. There is no way our bottom three can take theirs. That means this makes it a 7vs10 war. That means no room for error. So, regardless if you say "we could have, should have, would have", it doesn't matter. If the match-up leaves you with 'no room for error' (four in a row!), there is something wrong with the match-ups.

By the way, our 8 is a new TH9. He maxed all TH8 troops, spells, and defs (except for poison).

No	TH	BK	AQ	GW	EA	IT	XB	Loot Entry	Def Weight	Def Diff	Def Weight	Loot Entry	TH	BK	AQ	GW	EA	IT	XB
1	11	45	45	20	1	3,4	4,4,4,4	21200	106	1	105	21000	11	25	30	11	2	5,5	5,5,5,5
2	10	30	40			3,3	4,4,4	17400	87	0	87	17400	10	27	25			3,3	4,4,4
3	10	31	41			2,2,	3,3,3	17200	86	4	82	16400	10	19	20			1,1	3,3,3
4	9	30	30				3,3	14000	70	1	69	13800	9	26	26				3,3
5	9	18	20				3,3	13600	68	-1	69	13800	9	22	24				3,3
6	9	14	16				3,3	13400	67	-1	68	13600	9	23	20				3,3
7	9	16	22				3,3	13200	66	-2	68	13600	9	18	17				3,3
8	9	10	3					11800	59	-8	67	13400	9	11	11				3,3
9	8	10						13000	52	-12	64	12800	9	10	8				2,2
10	6							8334	25	-34	59	11800	9	10	3				1,3
Total		204	217	20	1					-52				191	184	11	1
		BK	AQ	GW	EA					-5.2				BK	AQ	GW	EA

Just a quick update, we won. It's all because I prayed to our 7 gods. They listened. The other clan failed and didn't use many attacks. So, that seems to be the strategy going forward.