Im going with totally fairOriginally Posted by 2222
If mr 2's makes statements that he will do something but continuously doesnt, then waves some shiny stuff over here and says look at this!
He gets called out on it
Not to pick on you just an example
Don't think this is about fair or unfair.
It's about: what purpose are we serving with gathering this data that will already be available at SC and how can we fulfill this purpose in the best, most efficient way.
(see also my post: https://forum.supercell.com/showthre...1#post11020265)
William - Leader of TSG, member of the BFE clans Elite Academy and Valar Morghulis.
TH12, lvl 208, K 60, Q 60, GW 30.
TH11, lvl 193, K 50, Q 50, GW 20.
TH10, lvl 161, K 40, Q 40 / TH10, lvl 146, K 40, Q 40 / TH10, lvl 125, K 32, Q 32.
Member of the team of judges organising Forum Cup events (https://discord.gg/KEUxV2e)
I was thinking along this line. If you peel back the layers of your match, and look at more than simply the TH levels- chances are you will see areas where your bases are stronger than the other side. Posting all the data from a match will show this.
However,
as stated above from WH7DX- in a 10v match it doesn't matter that my #10 has a wiz tower one level higher than the opposing clan. Or that my walls are black and his are blue. Totally irrelevant in the way the match is going to play out. Take a 25v match, such as my current random spin. Our lowest TH10s all have 40/40 heroes, while those on the opposing clan are 35/35. So what. That doesn't balance or offset the fact the opponent has 3 extra TH 11s, all running level 20 Wardens.
Level: 187 | TH10 | IGN: cnaf11
retired
Forum already does that, case by case, by looking at actual full matches when the poster offers clan tag & allows visitors. Has its limitations but works much better than what's being asked for in this post.
It's always the closet engineers that are the most bitter. Trying to maintain a righteous pose while doing exactly what they claim to hate, lashing out at anyone that points out the obvious.
This leads to my other solution in rushing to th11 and getting the gw. It is amazing how after just a few months how strong defenses can become in addition to a strong offense. Im not against maxing, just maxing lower than th11.
If you're not smarter than the guy you're dealing with you lose.
You failed to utilize the most effective strategy by not using the most available resources to affect your outcome.
I play to win. You play to see how tough you are.
Defeat the enemy anyway you can.
I think you're pretty close with this. Obviously we all have different war matchups (10v10, 40v40.... All TH11s, Th7-TH11, etc.) but in any close war it comes down to the top attacks. If the top percentage of both clans were matched (maybe it's top 20%?), and miniMAX bases were accounted for, I think it would even the playing field quite a bit.
Yes, maybe. But from "th level only" to "hundreds of data points manually". Talking about a big swing here. To me, it shows SC's mentality - trying too hard, falling into analysis paralysis, and falling flat.
I agree that many complained without supporting data. But, if the purpose is just to prove the point in forum threads, the way you and I showed the match-up is enough.
Last edited by TheAaTeam; October 5th, 2017 at 03:16 PM.
The current war match-up (still ongoing). Probably is another L (4 losses in a row). Admittedly, we are already defeated mentally.
We took out all 0.5 bases. The TH spread is still there. I will remove that in the next war. There is no way our bottom three can take theirs. That means this makes it a 7vs10 war. That means no room for error. So, regardless if you say "we could have, should have, would have", it doesn't matter. If the match-up leaves you with 'no room for error' (four in a row!), there is something wrong with the match-ups.
By the way, our 8 is a new TH9. He maxed all TH8 troops, spells, and defs (except for poison).
No TH BK AQ GW EA IT XB Loot Entry Def Weight Def Diff Def Weight Loot Entry TH BK AQ GW EA IT XB 1 11 45 45 20 1 3,4 4,4,4,4 21200 106 1 105 21000 11 25 30 11 2 5,5 5,5,5,5 2 10 30 40 3,3 4,4,4 17400 87 0 87 17400 10 27 25 3,3 4,4,4 3 10 31 41 2,2, 3,3,3 17200 86 4 82 16400 10 19 20 1,1 3,3,3 4 9 30 30 3,3 14000 70 1 69 13800 9 26 26 3,3 5 9 18 20 3,3 13600 68 -1 69 13800 9 22 24 3,3 6 9 14 16 3,3 13400 67 -1 68 13600 9 23 20 3,3 7 9 16 22 3,3 13200 66 -2 68 13600 9 18 17 3,3 8 9 10 3 11800 59 -8 67 13400 9 11 11 3,3 9 8 10 13000 52 -12 64 12800 9 10 8 2,2 10 6 8334 25 -34 59 11800 9 10 3 1,3 Total 204 217 20 1 -52 191 184 11 1 BK AQ GW EA -5.2 BK AQ GW EA
Last edited by TheAaTeam; October 5th, 2017 at 04:29 PM.
I feel people are missing the big picture here. When SC collects war data, it is [potentially] on a massive scale. It might not be apparent to them on an individual scale that a war matchup is bad.
If people feel like there is a mismatch is bad, posting the match here, though time-consuming, might give SC more insight onto what players are seeing, rather than what their pool of data might say and muddy.
Edited to add: In SC's algorithm, most matches are "fair" within a certain % error. However, a number of matches fail the "eyeball" test once it starts. So, providing this data will show where the algorithm may deem a match as fair when in actuality it is not.
Last edited by stealthmtn; October 5th, 2017 at 03:56 PM.
I think we got that by now. And I have been asking what insight that SC is missing from my table above that SC requires to form an opinion/analysis. The troops? Wait, he did not ask for that either. I have posted data from 3 wars and people have commented and provided valuable insights. But, we have not heard anything from Darian since he posted the sticky.
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