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    Quote Originally Posted by MrJackrabbit View Post
    wow you mean people who complain about the MM being unfair also complain when asked to help fix something you claim is an issue? This will take some time in the beginning but as many have asked for SC to do is tell us what to do. Now that they do you complain? This right here tells me a lot.
    This is not the way I see it at all. Clan wars gave me (past tense) a lot of enjoyment through this game. I have no difficulty putting some time into this thread if I felt it would help. If a solution to war MM came through, I might start opting in again. But when proposed solutions are so flawed, they should be called as such so time and energy can be put in a better direction.

    You know what tells me a lot? The fact that SuperCell would actually propose this. If they are asking a selective group of inmates to help them run the asylum, then they are further away from any solution than I thought.

    They have the analytics on their end. They have the unbiased data, we don't. I would never waste time asking the CEO of Coke who makes the best soft drink.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darian[Supercell] View Post
    Let's have a central repository for posting Clan War matchups. This goes for both good and bad matchups. We refer to our own internal data driven information, but we also want to make sure this coincides with what the community is seeing as well.
    To me it seems the bolded statement refers to what the team at Supercell is looking at. Many of you are stating that they should be able to pull all the information they need from there database. At least to me, that is what Darian is saying they are already doing.

    When I come to the forums and see "bad war matchup" stating just TH levels or clan tags, that gives me 0 information. By providing more information, as Darian requested, us players can have a better understanding of these bad war matchups other players are seeing. I know going into such detail will be tedious, but it will lead to a better discussion on what matchups are fair or unfair. And from that discussion, Supercell will gain a better understanding on what we as a community are expecting from the war matchmaking algorithm.

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    How about this? Not enough?


    No TH BK AQ GW Loot Entry Def Weight Def Diff Def Weight Loot Entry BK AQ GW TH
    1 11 45 45 20 21200 106 -1 107 21400 44 45 20 11
    2 11 45 45 20 18200 91 -16 107 21400 32 45 20 11
    3 11 45 45 20 18200 91 -15 106 21200 28 30 17 11
    4 10 30 40 17400 87 -2 89 17800 34 35 10
    5 10 31 40 17200 86 -1 87 17400 30 31 10
    6 9 18 20 13600 68 -1 69 13800 25 27 9
    7 9 14 16 13400 67 -1 68 13600 20 23 9
    8 9 16 22 13200 66 -1 67 13400 12 17 9
    9 9 10 8 12600 63 -3 66 13200 20 20 20 11
    10 9 30 30 12400 62 -3 65 13000 11 11 9
    11 9 18 18 12200 61 -2 63 12600 10 15 10 11
    12 9 11 10 11800 59 4 55 13750 10 8
    13 9 10 3 11800 59 4 55 13750 10 8
    14 8 10 13000 52 3 49 12250 8 8
    15 8 6 12250 49 -11 60 15000 5 8
    16 8 10 11500 46 7 39 13000 2 7
    17 8 6 9500 38 6 32 6400 10 9 9
    18 7 10666 32 22 10 3332 4
    19 6 8334 25 16 9 2250 3 8
    20 5 6000 18 6 12 3000 1 8
    Total 355 342 60 11 315 308 87
    BK AQ GW 0.55 BK AQ GW

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrJackrabbit View Post
    Test of the 1st 3.
    Darian, thank you for communicating with us and then letting us know what areas you want us to focus on. I hope this info will be help provide a solution.
    TH AQ BK GW EA IT CB CN MT WT AT AD TC BT AS Walls Misc?
    11 45 45 20 1 2X5 4X5 7X15 4X10 5x10 8X15 4X9 4x9 2X5 2x6 225X11 75X12
    11 45 45 50 1 2X5 4X5 7X15 4X10 5X10 8X15 4X9 4X9 2X5 2X6 225X11 75X12
    11 31 27 20 1 2X3 3X4 1X3 6X13 1X12 4X9 3X9 1X7 7X13 1X12 4X8 4X8 2X4 2X6 15X11 235X10 25X9


    UUHHHMMM???????

    I do not recall that SC has 3 vs 3 war option?

    This is totally garbage in and garbage out. Writing the top 3 info is certainly way easier to do then doing it for 25 vs 25 every 48 hours. That is (if you can not count) 50 bases to enter. True, that at least for our 25 it is tedious the first time cause we can cut and copy from the last war. But the opponent 25 bases???????

    I understand that some of you maybe spending 5 hours a DAY on CoC. Sorry, I do not have that kind of luxury. My kids need my money, time and support.

    Also I am willing to bet money that you (MrJackrabbit) already have this info somewhere in the spreadsheet. And he is just cut and paste HIS CLAN top 3 and laugh at us. Show me if you can do this for all 50 bases (25 vs 25), or better 100 bases. And do it every 48 hours.

    Oh yeah, didn't SC also remove the war detail waaaaayyyy too soon to have at least even try to attempt to do as asked over the weekend?

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    This is a great suggestion Darian. Might I add that the poster give you their clan tag so you can actually confirm the matchup existed before you rely upon it for anything. It wouldn't require you confirming every single number, but you could at least check to see that it wasn't totally made up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1400dragon View Post
    UUHHHMMM???????

    I do not recall that SC has 3 vs 3 war option?

    This is totally garbage in and garbage out. Writing the top 3 info is certainly way easier to do then doing it for 25 vs 25 every 48 hours. That is (if you can not count) 50 bases to enter. True, that at least for our 25 it is tedious the first time cause we can cut and copy from the last war. But the opponent 25 bases???????

    I understand that some of you maybe spending 5 hours a DAY on CoC. Sorry, I do not have that kind of luxury. My kids need my money, time and support.

    Also I am willing to bet money that you (MrJackrabbit) already have this info somewhere in the spreadsheet. And he is just cut and paste HIS CLAN top 3 and laugh at us. Show me if you can do this for all 50 bases (25 vs 25), or better 100 bases. And do it every 48 hours.

    Oh yeah, didn't SC also remove the war detail waaaaayyyy too soon to have at least even try to attempt to do as asked over the weekend?
    wanted to check how the table worked before I did the entire war. as you see from the 1st line "Test of the 1st 3". I will be providing the rest later. A lot is cut and paste of your clan. the other clan well might take some work. Btw Darian mentioned about providing as much as you can and more than just the th level since that tells basically nothing.
    If you follow my posts here I war 15v15 twice per week. I am also not the one complaining about the MM or when i do get a mismatch and believe that most people complaints are because the don't want to take responsibility as to why they lost the war.
    If you're not smarter than the guy you're dealing with you lose.
    You failed to utilize the most effective strategy by not using the most available resources to affect your outcome.
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    Defeat the enemy anyway you can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrJackrabbit View Post
    A lot is cut and paste of your clan. the other clan well might take some work. Btw Darian mentioned about providing as much as you can and more than just the th level since that tells basically nothing.
    I 1000% agree with the data bit. But I do not agree on *how* SC asked us to spend even more time on this issue.
    They have the data, they can analyze it, so giving info of the clan names and the dates should be sufficient.
    There is NO NEED for the forum readers to "weigh" in, guessing how SC might or might not interpret the data.

    So I do not disagree that DATA is good but not on our time cost and no need to "justify" our feeling of the mismatch to all of the forum readers. Because what I see so far, someone posted the data, and without avail, someone is going to say: well, I do not see a problem. Then it becomes an argument between posters.

    Let me reiterate: it is USELESS to post the data here for the other forum readers to fight on.
    Besides, creating data in this forum table is USELESS for the real analysis anyway.
    What are they (SC) going to do? Re-cut and re-paste our cut and paste data to their Statistic Program ?????




    Quote Originally Posted by MrJackrabbit View Post
    If you follow my posts here I war 15v15 twice per week.
    I am sorry that I did not follow your posts, faithfully, your Highness. LOL.
    NO, I did not and will not follow your posts.



    Quote Originally Posted by MrJackrabbit View Post
    I am also not the one complaining about the MM or when i do get a mismatch and believe that most people complaints are because the don't want to take responsibility as to why they lost the war.
    Lost a war is one thing, but having 80% win rate in the last 12 months, and all of the sudden 50% rate in the last month and 0% win rate in the last week (it is about to be 4 in row) is something else. Besides I am not complaining about the mismatch. I disagree about the the way the requests to "collect" the data and gave (in my opinion a false) sense of "SC is doing something, we hear you, bla bla bla"

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    lol, love your post 1400. I also get the sense of the almighty "forum veteran", "game specialist", etc. And the rest of us is just pest. And they gave me bad reputation for calling them out. Love it.

    And still no comment on the data I posted. Does that give you 50/80/90% of the information? I am happy to provide more info (not excessively) to help with the "research". 80/20 rule, fellas.

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    To fill out the chart completely takes more time than I have. I have however filled out a lot of the useful info. As far as individual defenses go I'm sure that has to do with weighting each defense properly. I chose to fill out total weight based on gold if this is an inaccurate way to weigh Darian please let us know.
    TH BK AQ GW EA IT XB WT(K) TH BK AQ GW EA IT XB WT(K)
    1 11 45 45 20 2 5,5 5,5,5,5 109 11 45 45 20 2 5,5 5,5,5,5 109
    2 11 45 45 50 2 5,5 5,5,5,5 109 11 41 41 20 2 5,5 5,5,5,5 109
    3 11 27 31 20 1 3,3 4,4,3 104 11 31 40 20 2 5,4 4,4,4,4 104
    4 11 34 35 5 X 2,1 3,3,3 86 10 34 40 X X 3,3 4,4,4 89
    5 10 21 21 X X 3,2 4,3,3 85 10 20 35 X X 3,3 4,4,4 87
    6 10 20 21 X X 2,2 4,3,3 85 10 28 25 X X 3,2 4,3,3 85
    7 10 20 20 X X 3,3 4,4,4 84 10 30 33 X X 0,0 4,4,0 74
    8 10 27 30 X X 0,0 3,3,0 72 10 29 31 X X 0,0 3,3,0 72
    9 10 25 25 X X 0,0 3,3,0 70 10 23 40 X X 0,0 1,1,0 71
    10 10 25 26 X X 0,0 3,3,0 70 9 18 20 X X X 3,3 68
    11 9 19 20 X X X 1,1 65 9 17 18 X X X 3,3 66
    12 9 8 6 X X X 0,0 56 9 15 13 X X X 3,3 65
    13 8 10 X X X X X 52 9 20 20 X X X 0,0 64
    14 8 9 X X X X X 52 9 10 15 X X X 0,0 62
    15 8 9 X X X X X 49 8 10 X X X X X 54
    344 325 95 3 14 31 1148 371 416 60 1179
    ws 1 ws 0
    sc 38 sc 40

    Solid war lost more because we had one attacker not attack and another only use 1 than any disadvantage because of aq levels or xbows.
    As far as a post about an 80% win rate reducing to 50% I'd suggest the book "Who Moved My Cheese" and let me know which one are you Hem, Haw, Sniff, or Scurry.
    I'll give the writing on the wall here:
    Change HappensThey Keep Moving The CheeseAnticipate ChangeGet Ready For The Cheese To MoveMonitor ChangeSmell The Cheese Often So You Know When It Is Getting OldAdapt To Change QuicklyThe Quicker You Let Go Of Old Cheese, The Sooner You Can Enjoy New CheeseChangeMove With The CheeseEnjoy Change!Savor The Adventure And Enjoy The Taste Of New Cheese!Be Ready To Change Quickly And Enjoy It AgainThey Keep Moving The Cheese.
    Last edited by MrJackrabbit; 2 Weeks Ago at 06:06 PM.
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    There you go. This I can live with. I can add EA, IT, XB columns, win streak, and scores later in the afternoon. Thanks!

    So it seems you are also running 0.5 bases (Base 4,8,9,12 ?). Compared to our clan: a similar number of 0.5 bases, but ours are on the top 3. Your lowest th is 8. Compared to our clan: we included 7,6,5.

    Also, your opponent is more even.

    It looks this supports the "no 0.5" and "not too spread-out" theory.

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