Collecting Clan War matchups...for science...and stuff!

[SuperStorm103]

The full defence breakdown would be interesting, rather than just the weights

Will see what I can do. Your welcome to stop by if you want onyx. We have space again. Just to clarify, not saying this is unwinnable, just that it's not a very good match. I will reserve judgment till after the dust settles. Probably a 3.0 on a scale of 1-10 with 10 being the worst. Their bottom bases are fairly light on defense (low levels). Their top defenses are higher though. Given the slight edge in offense they have as far as troops and wardens go, the war will be much more challenging for us then them.

However, If you look at the lower bases offense its....nothing, nothing, nothing, LEVEL 4 Dragon, nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing, Low Heroes.....

[SuperStorm103]

In an effort to provide info on the current MM system, I will be posting on going detailed matches. This is not to complain about matches, it is only intended to provide information. I will provide major defense comparison, offense levels, and hero levels. You can assume the defense strength of the special villages based on their map position. An "m" next to the th # denotes Mini and "d" denotes defenseless. Us = Blue, Them = Red. TH=Town Hall, Army=Army Size, BK=Barb King, AQ=Archer Queen, GW=Grand Warden, BW=Base Weight.(50 Minute Search) Win Streak = 0 0

OFFENSE:

---TH-B-A-G-G-W-B-W-H-D-P-D-M-M-H-V-G-W-H-B-ARMY-BK-AQ-GW--L-H-R-J-F-C-P-Q-H-S
------A-R-I-O-A-A-I-E-R-E-R-I-I-O-A-O-I-O-O----------------I-E-A-U-R-L-O-U-A-K
------R-C-A-B-L-L-Z-A-A-K-A-N-N-G-L-L-T-U-W----------------G-A-G-M-E-O-I-A-S-E
------B-H-N-L-L-L-A-L-G-K-G-E-I---K-E-C-N-L----------------H-L-E-P-E-N-S-K-T-L
--------E-T-I-B-O-R-E-O-A-O-R-O-----M-H-D-E----------------T-------Z-E-O-E-E-E
--------R---N-R-O-D-R-N---N---N-----------R----------------N-------E---N-----T
--------------E-N---------B--------------------------------I-----------------O

01-11-7-7-8-7-7-7-8-5-6-6-5-5-7-7-5-6-3-4-3-240--45-45-20--7-7-5-3-6-5-5-4-4-4
01-11-7-7-8-5-6-7-8-5-6-6-3-5-5-7-5-6-3-4-3-240--35-39-20--7-6-5-3-5-1-4-4-2-3

02-11-7-7-7-7-6-6-6-5-5-5-3-4-6-5-5-5-2-3-3-240--16-18--9--7-6-5-3-5-1-3-2-1-0
02-11-7-7-7-4-5-7-8-4-6-6-3-3-4-5-5-5-2-4-2-240--30-31-14--7-6-5-2-3-1-3-4-2-3

03-11-7-7-7-6-6-6-7-4-5-5-4-3-5-6-5-5-3-3-2-240--23-30-10--7-7-5-2-5-2-3-2-3-1
03-11-7-7-7-7-6-6-8-4-6-6-4-3-5-5-5-5-1-2-1-240--27-31--7--7-7-5-3-5-3-4-4-2-2

04-10-7-7-7-7-6-6-7-4-5-5-4-3-5-6-5-5-2-3-2-240--16-21-----7-7-5-3-5-3-3-3-2-2
04-11-7-7-7-7-6-6-7-4-5-5-4-3-5-5-5-5-1-1-1-240--20-21--2--7-7-5-3-3-2-3-3-1-1

05-10-7-7-7-6-6-6-7-4-5-5-4-3-5-6-5-5-2-3-2-240--20-20-----7-7-5-3-5-3-4-2-2-0
05-11-7-7-6-5-6-7-7-4-6-5-2-0-5-5-5-5-2-4-2-240--22-26-11--7-7-5-2-4-1-2-2-1-1

06-10-6-6-7-6-6-6-7-4-4-3-2-3-6-6-5-5-2-3-2-240--20-24-----6-7-5-3-4-1-3-3-2-1
06-11-5-5-6-2-5-7-7-4-6-5-2-3-4-6-5-5-2-4-3-240--17-20--6--7-6-5-1-2-1-1-1-1-1

07-10-7-7-6-3-6-6-7-4-5-4-4-0-4-5-3-4-2-3-1-240--10-13-----7-7-5-3-5-1-3-2-1-0
07-11-6-6-7-4-6-7-7-4-6-5-3-3-3-5-5-5-2-4-2-240--16-18--2--7-6-5-1-1-1-2-1-1-1

08-11-6-6-8-6-6-6-7-4-4-3-1-4-2-6-5-5-3-3-3-240--20-30--8--5-7-5-3-4-1-4-3-4-2
08-11-4-4-4-3-2-5-3-1-4-1-1-1-2-4-1-1-1-0-0-220---7--7-----5-2-2-1-1-1-2-3-1-0

09-10-7-7-7-7-6-6-7-4-5-5-4-3-5-6-5-5-2-3-2-240--15-19-----7-7-5-3-5-3-3-2-1-0
09-11-6-6-4-3-5-6-7-4-4-5-0-0-1-3-4-3-1-2-0-240---8-10--5--6-6-5-2-1-1-1-1-1-0

10-10-6-6-6-6-6-6-6-4-4-3-2-1-5-5-5-5-2-3-1-240--15-19-----6-7-5-3-1-1-3-1-2-1
10-10-6-5-6-4-5-6-6-4-4-3-2-0-2-2-4-2-1-1-0-220---7--7-----6-6-5-2-1-0-1-1-1-0

11--9-6-6-6-6-5-6-6-4-4-3-2-0-5-5-4-4-2-2-0-220--20-25-----6-6-5-2-1-0-3-3-2-1
11--9-5-5-5-5-5-6-6-4-4-3-0-0-2-2-3-2-1-0-0-220---7--2-----6-5-5-1-1-0-1-1-1-0

12--9-6-6-6-6-5-6-6-4-4-3-2-0-5-5-4-4-2-2-0-220--15-15-----6-6-5-2-1-0-3-3-2-1
12--9-5-5-5-4-5-5-5-3-4-3-0-0-1-1-1-1-0-0-0-220---7--2-----6-4-5-1-1-0-1-1-0-0

13--9-6-6-6-6-5-6-6-4-4-3-2-0-2-5-3-4-1-2-0-220--10-14-----6-6-5-2-1-0-3-2-1-0
13--9-4-5-5-3-4-5-5-2-4-2-0-0-1-1-1-1-0-0-0-220---5--2-----6-3-4-1-1-0-1-1-0-0

14--9-5-5-6-5-5-6-6-4-4-3-2-0-5-4-1-2-1-2-0-220--11-10-----6-5-5-1-1-0-2-3-1-1
14--9-4-5-5-3-5-5-5-3-4-2-0-0-2-1-1-1-0-0-0-215---5--1-----6-3-5-1-1-0-1-1-0-0

15--9-6-6-6-6-5-6-6-4-4-3-2-0-3-4-2-3-1-2-0-220--10-10-----6-6-5-2-1-0-2-2-0-0
15--9-3-3-5-3-4-5-5-3-4-2-0-0-1-1-0-0-0-0-0-210---6--------6-4-5-1-1-0-1-1-0-0

16--9-5-5-5-5-5-5-6-3-3-3-1-0-3-3-1-1-1-1-0-220---8--5-----5-5-5-2-1-0-2-2-1-0
16--9-4-4-4-4-4-5-4-2-4-1-0-0-1-2-1-1-0-0-0-205---5--2-----6-4-4-1-1-0-1-1-0-0

17--9-6-6-6-6-5-6-6-4-4-3-2-0-1-2-1-1-1-2-0-220---6--8-----6-6-5-2-1-0-1-0-0-0
17--9-4-4-4-1-1-3-4-2-4-0-0-0-1-1-0-0-0-0-0-200---2--------5-1-3-1-1-0-1-1-0-0

18--9-4-4-5-4-4-6-5-4-4-3-1-0-2-5-1-1-1-1-0-220---7--7-----5-6-4-1-1-0-2-1-0-0
18--9-3-4-4-1-2-4-4-2-4-0-0-0-1-0-0-0-0-0-0-200---1--------4-2-4-0-0-0-1-1-0-0

19--9-5-6-5-5-5-6-6-4-4-3-0-0-1-1-1-1-1-2-0-220---5--5-----6-6-5-2-1-0-1-0-0-0
19--9-4-4-4-1-2-3-4-1-4-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-200---1--------3-1-3-0-0-0-1-1-0-0

20--9-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-3-3-3-0-0-3-3-1-1-0-0-0-200---9--------5-5-5-0-0-0-2-1-0-0
20--8-4-4-4-1-2-3-4-1-4-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-200---1--------3-1-3-0-0-0-1-1-0-0

------------------------------------------------BK--AQ--GW--------------------
Total-------------------------------------------301-338-47--------------------
Total-------------------------------------------229-219-67--------------------


DEFENSE:

-------|-01-|-02-|-03-|-04-|-05-|-06-|-07-|-08-|-09-|-10-|-11-|-12-|-13-|-14-|-15-|-16-|
-------|109K|-90K|-89K|-86K|-86K|-85K|-84K|-78K|-72K|-70K|-68K|-67K|-66K|-66K|-63K|-63K|
-------|108K|106K|104K|102K|-91K|-90K|-88K|-74K|-71K|-67K|-61K|-57K|-55K|-55K|-54K|-50K|

Cannon1|7x15|6x13|3x13|6x13|1x13|6x12|6x12|1x14|5x11|3x12|5x11|5x11|5x11|5x11|5x11|1x11|
Cannon2|----|1x10|3x12|----|2x12|---------|6x13|1x10|2x11|------------------------|4x10|
Cannon3|---------|1x10|----|3x11|-------------------------------------------------------

Cannon1|7x15|6x13|6x13|6x13|6x13|6x13|6X13|1x11|5x10|5x11|5x10|5x10|5x10|5x10|5x10|2x10|
Cannon2|----|1x11|1x10|1x-8|--------------|5x10|----------------------------------|3x-9|
Cannon3|----------------------------------|1x-5|----------------------------------------

Archer1|8x15|7x13|4x13|7x13|4x13|6x12|5x13|1x14|2x13|6x12|6x11|6x11|6x11|5x11|6x11|1x11|
Archer2|----|1x11|3x12|----|3x12|1x11|2x12|1X13|5x12|-------------------|1x10|----|5x10|
Archer3|---------|1x-9|-------------------|6x12|----------------------------------------

Archer1|5x15|7x13|7x13|7x13|7x13|7x13|7x13|2x11|3x10|6x11|5x10|5x10|5x10|4x10|5x10|1x10|
Archer2|3x14|1x-9|1x-9|1x-6|----|----|----|5X10|3x-9|----|1x-6|1x-5|----|1x-9|1x-9|3x-9|
Archer3|----------------------------------|1x-5|------------------------|1x-1|----------

Walls--|-Max|LV-9|LV10|LV-8|LV10|LV-9|LV-8|LV-8|LV-9|LV-9|LV10|LV-9|LV-9|LV-7|LV-8|LV-8|
Walls--|LV11|-Max|LV10|LV-9|LV10|LV10|LV-9|LV-7|LV-9|LV-9|LV-8|LV-8|LV-6|LV-7|LV-7|LV-7|

Mortar1|4x10|4x-8|3x-8|4x-8|1x-8|4x-7|1x-8|2x-9|2x-8|4x-7|4x-7|4x-7|4x-7|4x-7|4x-7|4x-6|
Mortar2|---------|1x-7|----|3x-7|----|3x-7|2x-8|2x-7|-----------------------------------

Mortar1|4x10|4x-8|1x-9|4x-8|2x-9|4x-8|4x-8|3x-6|4x-7|4x-7|4x-6|4x-6|2x-6|1x-6|2x-5|3x-5|
Mortar2|---------|3x-8|----|2x-8|---------|1x-5|-------------------|2x-5|3x-5|2x-4|-----

Air D-1|4x-9|3x-9|4x-8|4x-8|4x-8|4x-8|3x-8|4x-8|4x-8|4x-8|4x-7|3x-7|4x-7|2x-7|4x-7|4x-6|
Air D-2|----|1x-8|-------------------|1x-7|-------------------|1x-6|----|2x-6|----------

Air D-1|4x-9|4x-8|4x-8|4x-8|4x-9|1x-9|4x-8|3x-6|4x-8|4x-7|4x-7|3x-7|3x-7|4x-7|3x-7|4x-7|
Air D-2|------------------------|3x-8|----|1x-5|--------------|1x-5|1x-6|----|1x-5|-----

Wizard1|5x10|4x-8|3x-9|4x-9|4x-7|4x-7|4x-8|5x-9|4x-8|4x-7|4x-7|4x-7|4x-7|4x-7|4x-7|4x-6|
Wizard2|----|1x-4|1x-8|-----------------------------------------------------------------
Wizard3|---------|1x-5|-----------------------------------------------------------------

Wizard1|5x10|4x-9|4x-9|4x-9|4x-9|4x-9|4x-9|1x-7|4x-7|4x-7|3x-6|1x-7|3x-6|3x-6|3x-6|2x-5|
Wizard2|----|1x-5|1x-3|1x-1|--------------|3x-6|---------|1x-4|2x-6|--------------------
Wizard3|----------------------------------|1x-3|--------------|1x-4|--------------------

Air S-1|2x-6|2x-4|2x-5|1x-5|2x-4|2x-5|2x-4|1x-6|2x-4|2x-5|2x-5|2x-4|2x-5|2x-4|1x-5|2x-4|
Air S-2|--------------|1x-4|--------------|1x-5|-----------------------------|1x-4|-----

Air S-1|2x-6|2x-6|2x-6|2x-6|2x-5|1x-5|2x-5|1x-2|2x-3|1x-5|1x-4|1x-4|2x-1|1x-1|1x-2|1x-2|
Air S-2|------------------------|1x-3|----|1x-1|----|1x-4|1x-2|1x-1|---------|1x-1|1x-1|

Bomb T1|2x-5|2x-4|1x-3|2x-4|1x-3|1x-3|2x-1|2x-4|2x-2|1x-3|1x-3|1x-3|1x-3|1x-3|----|1x-2|
Bomb T2|---------|1x-2|----|1x-2|1x-1|--------------------------------------------------

Bomb T1|2x-4|2x-4|2x-4|2x-4|2x-3|2x-2|1x-3|2x-1|1x-1|1x-1|---------|1x-1|1x-1|1x-1|-----
Bomb T2|-----------------------------|1x-2|---------------------------------------------

X-Bow-1|4x-5|4x-4|3x-4|3x-4|3x-4|3x-3|3x-4|1x-5|2x-4|2x-3|2x-3|2x-3|2x-1|2x-3|1x-2|1x-3|
X-Bow-2|----------------------------------|3x-4|1x-3|------------------------|1x-1|1x-1|

X-Bow-1|4x-5|4x-4|3x-5|3x-4|2x-5|3x-4|3x-4|2x-2|2x-4|2x-3|2x-2|-------------------------
X-Bow-2|---------|1x-3|1x-2|2x-3|---------|2x-1|2x-2|1x-1|------------------------------

Infern1|2x-5|2x-3|2x-3|2x-3|2x-3|2x-3|2x-3|-----

Infern1|2x-5|2x-5|2x-4|1x-4|2x-4|2x-5|2x-4|1x-1|
Infern2|--------------|1x-3|--------------------

Eagle-1|1x-2|---------------

Eagle-1|1x-2|1x-2|1x-2|1x-1|


Summary:

After typing all this in, it appears that we are victims of roster engineering. The accounts not listed on defense for the opposing clan are not worth listing as they don't really have anything to list. The remaining 4 accounts for us are 2 more 9's an 8.5, and an 8 which just finished th9 upgrade.

I still cannot see how they managed to squeeze in 3 additional Eagles! Along with higher level and more infernos. Surely it cant be because of our few extra x-bows and bomb towers....

Again, they are technically up on defense (where it counts) as well as having more th11 hits then us. Not a good match IMO. This war will depend on how lucky they get with their "dip lavaloon spam" attacks.

Have fun reading the break down, Will post total weights wants battle day hits!



We beat them into submission apparently.......

[SuperStorm103]

Reserved In case I need it!

[Hogan]

The latest "you must be kidding me" matchup:

TL;DR - 3 GW to 13, down 307 hero levels. It doesn't matter what our TH10 defence levels are, this is over before it starts if they have any attacking skill at all. These MM 'fixes' are making things worse!

Us (#9RC890QR) ***** Them (#8VCGPR2L)
# - TH – Heroes - Wt - Comment ***** TH - Heroes - Wt - Comment
1 - 11 - 45/45/20 – [x] - Max 11 ***** 11 - 45/45/20 - [x] - Max 11
2 - 11 - 45/45/20 – [x] - Max 11 ***** 11 - 45/45/20 - [x] - Max 11
3 - 11 - 40/45/19 – [x] - Mid 11 ***** 11 - 45/45/20 - [x] - Max 11
4 - 10 - 40/40 - [x] - Max 10 ***** 11 - 31/40/14 - [x] - Almost max 11 no EA
5 - 10 - 40/40 - [x] - Max 10 ***** 11 - 23/30/10 - [x] - Mid 11, Max IT, no EA
6 - 10 - 33/32 - [x] - Max 10 ***** 11 - 42/45/20 - [x] - Maxed 9.75, 3xbow, no IT or EA
7 - 10 - 30/35 - [x] - Max 10 ***** 11 - 45/45/20 - [x] - Almost maxed 9.75, 2xbow, no IT, no EA
8 - 10 - 40/40 - [x] - 2xIT2, other maxed ***** 11 - 45/45/20 - [x] - Almost maxed 9.75, 3xbow, no IT, no EA
9 - 10 - 32/35 - [x] - IT2/IT3 other maxed ***** 11 - 45/45/20 - [x] - Almost maxed 9.75, 2xbow, no IT, no EA
10 - 10 - 29/30 - [x] - 2xIT3 mostly maxed ***** 11 - 45/45/20 - [x] - Almost maxed 9.75, 2xbow, no IT, no EA
11 - 10 - 30/35 - [x] - 2xIT2, mid 10 ***** 11 - 40/40/13 - [x] - Mid 9.75, 2xbow, no IT, no EA
12 - 10 - 20/29 - [x] - 2xIT3 mid 10 ***** 11 - 45/45/17 - [x] - Mid 9.75, 2xbow, no IT, no EA
13 - 10 - 20/22 - [x] - IT1/IT2, mid 10 ***** 11 - 45/45/20 - [x] - Mid 9.75, 2xbow, no IT, no EA
14 - 10 - 40/40 - [x] - IT1, rest max ***** 10 - 11/11 - [x] - Mid 9.5, no IT
15 - 9 - 10/4 - [x] - New 9 ***** 9 - 10/10 - [x]

Total hero levels: 494 / 517 / 59 ***** 562 / 581 / 234 (a mere 29% hero level advantage)
GW count: 3 ***** 13 (only 10 more GWs!)
TH11 count: 3 ***** 13
All their 11s have at least 1 war army comp maxed and most have air and ground.

Anyone care to guess how this is going to finish up? With even a minute amount of skill, they will first hit clean from 3 down then they have an insane number of goes at our top 3.

Its great that SC are finally trying to fix matchmaking however, YOU ARE MAKING IT WORSE! We are now outmatched every war (before the changes we faced an engineered clan about 1 out of every 3 spins). Across the clan, we are utterly fed up with the advantage that SC have continued to give to the engineered playstyle. Stop tinkering at the edges and sort out this long running problem: minimum defensive weight for each TH, announce it ahead of time, starting at a lower level and ramp it up over a period of months to a slight discount on the max weight of the TH below. This lets everyone know what is going to happen and allows the engineers time to build some defences.

Hogan

[Crustyslayer]

Why is this even requested as its easily available to you clan war matchups are stil broke after the update we have lost more wars since update and we run no th11 engineer but constantly face them thats the only data you need to know

[Tomville]

Quick and dirty match report, all max bases with all the trimmings, or so big that exactly how near to max doesn’t matter for understanding this: 10 th11 vs 9 th11 and 1 th9. Sorry enemy clan, it was the matchmaker not us.

Yes, only one lane out... but considerable disadvantage in terms of the amount of skill differential needed for the win, given the rarity of th11 on big11 3 stars among even very good players. They need to be CWL or NDL competitive caliber, where we only need to not stuff up too much.

[Frogged]

Reserved In case I need it!

If you think anyone from sc is gonna try to make sense of that wall of numbers, you're gonna be sorely disappointed. And that's just the truth.

[SuperStorm103]

If you think anyone from sc is gonna try to make sense of that wall of numbers, you're gonna be sorely disappointed. And that's just the truth.

Heh, they can do with it what they like. It was a good challenge. Quite proud of it actually. Probably won't do it again though.

I'll just assume that the average clasher knows what a base looks like if I give them a town level and a weight. For instance, a 74K th11, you know what his base looks like. No need to list the defenses.

Honestly, I'm just happy to put out any data that I can. My match threads are there for those that want it. Some people actually like it. This was a special format for darian. To each their own.

[Pabo]

My eyes gave out after page three...

Summary - SuperCell doesn't even consider troop levels in matchmaking.

That explains and defines the problem completely.

[Coquette]

In a brave attempt to remain postive and my war log turning blood red its time for a response to super cell. The challenge my clan has been facing is not only with higher level town halls ( which require people to hit their weight, no big deal). However, for those higher level town halls comes their extra hero, higher hero and in some most cases higher traps. When my th8 & lower are matched with th9 AQ and max air defenses the firepower is just not equal. Our clan has improved in our hits, working against higher town halls, but the sheer numbers of th11 and extra hero and max troops puts our highest map folks at a serious disadvantage. We have th10 & 9 which are limited in their abilities to destroy the opponent top guys. This is frustrating, and I'm almost to a point of not warring anymore. I do not want to encourage engineering but at this point my whole clan is suffering and let's just be honest red war logs suck for morality and clan ego...trust me level 13, so I'm not new to war but something MUST change or we will continue to lose great folks.