Collecting Clan War matchups...for science...and stuff!

[Starscream1]

	IT	XBOW	K	Q	W		IT	XBOW	K	Q	W
TH11	4,5	3x4,5	20	22	9	TH10	2x3	3x4	40	40	-
TH10	2x3	3x4	21	27	-	TH10	2x3	3x4	22	23	-
TH11	-	4,3x5	10	14	8	TH10	2x3	2x3,4	22	25	-
TH10	-	3x4	20	25	-	TH10	2x1	1,2x3	10	6	-
TH10	-	3x4	20	23	-	TH10	-	3x4	30	36	-
TH10	-	3x4	15	18	-	TH10	-	3	23	33	-
TH10	-	2,2x3	11	11	-	TH10	-	3	23	30	-
TH11	-	4x4	6	9	12	TH8	-	-	10	-	-
TH11	-	1,2	9	14	11	TH8	-	-	7	-	-
TH9	-	-	10	5	-	TH8	-	-	3	-	-

I can try and gather more info but it is pretty tedious, especially for a war that we've lost before it starts. Interesting that Darian does not require any info about offensive troops to determine a fair match. All their th11s have at least one max th11 attack. A 10v10 war we have zero th11s and they have FOUR. Unreal. They have two TH11 attacks for each of our bases that have ITs, we have no shot at all against their number 1 and no real shot at 3 starring their number 2. IF A CLAN HAS TH11 OFFENSE STOP MATCHING TO TH10 DEFENSE. Game is totally ridiculous anymore.

[Lunaticfringe]

It's simple. Many claim they want wars to have a fair matchup. Cool I'm good for that. Fair meaning no advantage nor disadvantage to ANY style of play. There are many who want to take away what they think is an unfair advantage of one side and make that side play at a disadvantage.
I will make it simple:
Many lopsided have an advantage over maxers.
Many maxers want that advantage gone by having fair wars.
Many maxers believe fair wars should put lopsided at a disadvantage.
If SC can come up with a mm system that makes war fair for all that is cool. However that means lopsided are not put at a disadvantage.
Also so many people have different idea of what is fair. I posted yesterday about my war lineup and posted why both sides had an unfair advantage using what different people think is fair.
I'm running 2 different clans, one lopsided one not. Some how I'm getting fair matches so I'm having a hard time believing the MM is so horribly bad as main claim.

I don't even know what that means. It just reeks of bias.

What does it mean, "fair" for all, especially lopsided TH/significantly engineered clans?

I can tell you what I don't think that means--watching 1/2 my clan go down to nothing more than bully attacks because the opponent can't attack for beans. Drawback? Not much. Why? Because stretching from mid to low, the enemy has TH+1 to bully attack said TH range bases. It's nonsense.

So, I want you to describe how the MM should work when dealing with these clans that have lopsided bases throughout their war roster. Just have them face other "engineered" clans and totally avoid those that don't? How draw that line?

[Teslap85]

SC should already have all this data. I don't understand.

[MrJackrabbit]

I don't even know what that means. It just reeks of bias.

What does it mean, "fair" for all, especially lopsided TH/significantly engineered clans?

I can tell you what I don't think that means--watching 1/2 my clan go down to nothing more than bully attacks because the opponent can't attack for beans. Drawback? Not much. Why? Because stretching from mid to low, the enemy has TH+1 to bully attack said TH range bases. It's nonsense.

So, I want you to describe how the MM should work when dealing with these clans that have lopsided bases throughout their war roster. Just have them face other "engineered" clans and totally avoid those that don't? How draw that line?

If you can't figure out what neither advantage nor disadvantage to either side means then it makes perfect sense why you think there is bias. So don't tell me what fair isn't but tell me what fair is.

[David1937]

Our current war is just a complete non starter. We have 7 x th10 5 x th9 5 x th8 and 3 x th7.

opposition has 8 (eight) x th11 all of whom have max troops of one sort or another. Dragons, loons, hounds, bowlers, healers.

Its just a mockery of what is supposed to be a fair playing field.

Anyone wants its to join to take a peek then feel free.

clan tag 9V009LC2

[JanoLapin]

Honestly have no time to put together 40v40 and 50v50 data on 7 out of 10 losses where we were out eagled (1 win was against a farm clan, 1 win we got lucky, 1 win we went all TH 11). I am happy to see sc attempting to collect data and interact with the community on this issue. Just surprising this data has not been used for the past couple years when deciding how to tweak the mm in the first place. In the meantime, while sc is collecting all the data, how do clans continue to war knowing the mm is seriously broken? If another TH 11 heavy clan has a suggestion for a lineup that works I am open to it, because atm taking ANYTHING that is not a max defensive TH 11 for your bottom 5-10 bases in a 30-40v war seems to always result in fewer eagles for your clan (and I mean 5-10 eagles not just 1-2).

We took all our TH11s (all 45/45/20 but a few with weaker defenses like EA2/ITs4/TH10 point defs) for 10v10 full TH11 wars, and yes indeed it seems that taking anything but a max TH11 is a liability, in the opposing teams we find anything from 10 full max TH11s to 8 TH11s (not maxed)+2 TH9s.

As a side note, current war in the TH10/9 clan is in our favour this time, not going into the details but it goes like this:
Us : 7 TH10, 1 TH9.5, 7 TH9
Them: 1 TH11, 6 TH10, 1 TH9.5, 7 TH9
Difference is that they have MUCH lower heroes (like premature, ours are mostly fully maxed) and also weaker defenses (except that TH11 at the top). They are getting stomped, hard. On the paper it looks like a decent match, we are actually glad we don't have to attack any engineered bases, in reality it was a war won before it began, they had no chance (coupled with them being awful attackers and also attacking without some heroes, you can see what kind of war I'm talking about).

[xc3ss1v30n3]

Woooo! We have a doozey of a match-up! I'll update with gold-based war weight once the war begins tomorrow. Again, I'll notate engineered bases with an "e" and notate missing defenses/hero with "--"

Us - #LVLPJL8 - Checkerboard X
Them - #PP29PYQU - Myanmar Knights

	TH	BK	AQ	GW	EA	IT	XB	DW	TH	BK	AQ	GW	EA	IT	XB	DW
1	11	45	45	20	2	2x5	4x5	109	11	40	45	20	2	2x5	4x5	109
2	11	45	45	20	2	2x5	4x5	109	11	45	45	20	2	2x5	4x5	109
3	11	45	45	20	2	2x5	4x5	108	11	35	45	20	2	2x5	4x5	108
4	11	42	45	20	2	2x5	4x5	108	11	35	45	20	2	2x5	4x5	108
5	11	20	25	19	2	2x5	1x5 3x4	104	11e	26	43	9	--	2x5	3x5 1x3	93
6	11	15	18	7	1	2x3	4x4	100	10	14	15			2x3	3x4	86
7	10	27	26			2x3	3x4	88	11e	40	45	20	--	--	2x4 2x3	80
8	10	20	22			1x3 1x2	1x4 1x3 1x2	84	11e	21	24	17	--	--	4x5	80
9	10	20	18			2x3	3x3	84	11e	36	42	7	--	--	3x4 1x3	80
10	10	15	11			1x2 1x1	2x4 1x3	83	11e	20	28	11	--	--	2x5 2x3	76
11	10e	25	26			--	2x3 --	70	11e	10	20	9	--	--	3x4 1x2	75
12	9	24	29				2x3	69	9	29	30				2x3	69
13	9	16	16				2x3	67	9	11	11				2x3	67
14	9	10	10				2x2	63	11e	11	12	10	--	--	2x3 -- --	65
15	9	8	1				2x2	60	10e	11	10			--	--	64
Total		377	382	86				1306		384	460	163				1269

On paper, this doesn't look good for the home team. Through the top 4 it's a pretty fair match both offensively and defensively. Gets a bit hairy from there down as a couple of our bases are rushed at that level so they don't have much defensively advantage over their defensively neutered counterparts. We'll have a defensive advantage lower in the lineup. Hopefully, there are some failed attacks from their side and our side can work from the bottom up as early as possible.

Edit: Adding in base weights

[TankSinatra]

Now two weeks no follow up, no answer to the reasonable questions (why ignore offense? why do you need us to do data entry into the forum?)

[suhasbhat26]

Woooo! We have a doozey of a match-up! I'll update with gold-based war weight once the war begins tomorrow. Again, I'll notate engineered bases with an "e" and notate missing defenses/hero with "--"

Us - #LVLPJL8 - Checkerboard X
Them - #PP29PYQU - Myanmar Knights

	TH	BK	AQ	GW	EA	IT	XB	DW	TH	BK	AQ	GW	EA	IT	XB	DW
1	11	45	45	20	2	2x5	4x5		11	40	45	20	2	2x5	4x5
2	11	45	45	20	2	2x5	4x5		11	45	45	20	2	2x5	4x5
3	11	45	45	20	2	2x5	4x5		11	35	45	20	2	2x5	4x5
4	11	42	45	20	2	2x5	4x5		11	35	45	20	2	2x5	4x5
5	11	20	25	19	2	2x5	1x5 3x4		11e	26	43	9	--	2x5	3x5 1x3
6	11	15	18	7	1	2x3	4x4		10	14	15			2x3	3x4
7	10	27	26			2x3	3x4		11e	40	45	20	--	--	2x4 2x3
8	10	20	22			1x3 1x2	1x4 1x3 1x2		11e	21	24	17	--	--	4x5
9	10	20	18			2x3	3x3		11e	36	42	7	--	--	3x4 1x3
10	10	15	11			1x2 1x1	2x4 1x3		11e	20	28	11	--	--	2x5 2x3
11e	10	25	26			--	2x3 --		11e	10	20	9	--	--	3x4 1x2
12	9	24	29				2x3		9	29	30				2x3
13	9	16	16				2x3		9	11	11				2x3
14	9	10	10				2x2		11e	11	12	10	--	--	2x3 -- --
15	9	8	1				2x2		10e	11	10			--	--
Total		377	382	86						384	460	163

On paper, this doesn't look good for the home team. Through the top 4 it's a pretty fair match both offensively and defensively. Gets a bit hairy from there down as a couple of our bases are rushed at that level so they don't have much defensively advantage over their defensively neutered counterparts. We'll have a defensive advantage lower in the lineup. Hopefully, there are some failed attacks from their side and our side can work from the bottom up as early as possible.

ur defenses are definitely stronger, most of the engineers have low heroes except top 2 of the engineers

[MrJackrabbit]

The next war line up. Yes I added 5 more for 15v15. Looks fair? Took 14 minutes the last war took an hour and 8. I will fill in the rest of the war weights once the war starts.

TH

BK

AQ

GW

EA

IT

XB

WT(K)

TH

BK

AQ

GW

EA

IT

XB

1

11

45

45

20

2

5,5

5,5,5,5

109

11

29

37

17

2

5,5

5,5,5,5

2

11

41

45

13

0

0,0

1,1,0,0

73

10

14

16

X

X

2,2

3,3,2

3

9

19

19

X

X

X

0,0

58

9

6

0

X

X

x

1,1

4

8

10

X

X

X

X

X

51

8

7

X

X

X

X

X

5

7

5

X

X

X

X

X

39

8

9

0

X

X

X

x

6

6

X

X

X

X

X

X

30

9

2

2

X

X

X

0,0

7

6

X

X

X

X

X

X

7

0

X

X

X

X

X

8

5

X

X

X

X

X

X

20

6

X

X

X

X

X

X

9

5

X

X

X

X

X

X

5

X

X

X

X

X

X

10

4

X

X

X

X

X

X

12

3

X

X

X

X

X

X

11

4

X

X

X

X

X

X

5

X

X

X

X

X

X

12

3

X

X

X

X

X

X

6

3

X

X

X

X

X

X

13

3

X

X

X

X

X

X

3

X

X

X

X

X

X

14

2

X

X

X

X

X

X

2

3

X

X

X

X

X

X

15

2

X

X

X

X

X

X

3

X

X

X

X

X

X

T

84

120

109

33

1/2

2/4

6/10

400

90

67

55

17

1/1

4/4

9/11

WS

2

4

SC