Collecting Clan War matchups...for science...and stuff!

[Phoenixni]

Have no time here to calculate all they are asking for on a 25v25 war but as predicted getting slaughtered. If SC want to do the math then match up is #LPVRVJ8C v #QYVPJ8P0.

[SuperStorm103]

They are definitely doing something a bit different with defense matching. Can't quite put my finger on it, but lane weights are not as close as they used to be, like they reduced some emphasis on that part somewhere. I can see the difference in our last few matches.

I don't think the fam clan has ever bumped into a CWL style clan before with our roster (not maxed defenses or offense w/ lower heroes). Current Match was pretty tough with them having superior defenses and almost double our hero levels (all their 10's were 40/40 and a large number of their 9's were close to or 30/30). Outside of heroes, I feel offense was comparable (I think thier 9's all had max offense though where as our had some troops maxed and some not). The deciding factor in this war was definitely the level of defenses on both sides and their layouts. Their top were good attackers as well. Jury is still out on their 9's, as they rolled over our 9's with level 1 xbows pretty easily with their 30/30 th9's.

(Listing in reverse order as weights got pretty acceptably close From #12 to #3)

#25 TH9/11/13/41K vs TH9/10/12/64K

#24 TH9/-9/--/54K vs TH9/17/20/65K

#23 TH9/-5/-5/60K vs TH9/21/28/68K

#22 TH9/10/11/60K vs TH9/21/21/68K

#21 TH9/12/16/60K vs TH9/22/25/69K

#20 TH9/-7/-6/62K vs TH9/23/21/69K

#19 TH9/-6/-8/62K vs TH9/22/30/69K

#18 TH9/10/10/62K vs Th9/28/28/69K

#17 TH9/-8/-5/63K vs TH9/30/30/69K

#16 TH9/10/11/65K vs TH9/27/30/69K

#15 TH9/10/14/66K vs TH9/29/30/69K

#14 TH9/15/15/67K vs TH9/30/30/70K

#13 TH9/20/24/68K vs TH9/30/30/70K
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#2 TH11/16/18/-8/-90K vs TH11/45/45/20/105K
#1 TH11/45/45/20/109K vs TH11/45/45/20/108K


Final Score Should be:

66* W/ 92% Destruction to 70* W/ 95.16% Destruction

Cannot Really say much about the match other then what I said previously about lane matching (defenses) doesn't seem as close as it used to be. Better match then 2 wars ago where the opposing clan had 9.5's with even more defense in place of this clans Heavy 9's. Despite the defense advantage I think It was a decent match. We are just a family clan though with a few "Above average" attackers sprinkled throughout the map. Not really a good match for a clan aiming for CWL/NDL (Ability Wise). No 11 vs 11 triples, but they did get a few 10 vs 10 triples.

Not to mention the new Troop AI (Golems) costing us a few good hits because of their "increased IQ".

[BlackDragonD]

I can hardly believe what i see here, really are you asking us about data you have?
In what format would you like to receive it for easier analysis? Perhaps we should create a database and just send it to you for your convenience? or even do the analysis for you and send the result? Or even fix the non working algo and publish to app store so that life will be easier for you?

Any way, just to prove how bad your algorithm is, here is our last war:
us:
1. th11 point defenses closed to maxed, maxed xbows, no eagle, 2 lvl3 infernos. 45/45/20
2. th10 - Maxed. 40/40
3. th10 - maxed point defenses, maxed xbow, 2 lvl2 infernos. 17/16 heroes
4. th9 - maxed defense. 16/11 heroes
5. th9, maxed point defenses, 2 lvl1 xbows. 14/16 heroes
6. th9, maxed point defenses, no xbows. 17/17
7. th9, 2 weeks old. th8 lvl defenses, 2 lvl1 xbows. 7/5 heroes
8. th8 - MAXED. 10 king
9. th8 - MAXED. 10 king
10.th6 - maxed.

Enemy:
1. th11 - lvl 13 point defenses, 3 lvl4 xbows + 1 lvl2 xbow, 2 lvl3 infernos, eagle. 25/21/5
2. th11 - lvl 12/13 point defenses, 3 lvl4 xbows + 1 lvl3 xbow, 2 lvl3 infernos, no eagle. 12/12/7
3. th10 - maxed defense. 16/19 heroes
4. th10 - lvl11 point defenses, 3 lvl2 xbows, no infernos. 8/7 heroes
5. th10 - lvl11 point defenses, 2 lvl3 xbows, no infernos. 11/15 heroes
6. th11 - lvl10 point defenses, 2 lvl2 xbows, no infernos, no eagle. 8/10/5 heroes
7. th9 - lvl 10 point defenses, 2 lvl1 xbows. 9/2 heroes
8. th11 - few th9 point defenses, 4 lvl7 ADs, no xbows, no infernos, no eagle. 6/7/1 heroes
9. th10 - lvl8 point defenses, 4 lvl7 ADs, no xbows, no infernos. 6/2 heroes
10. th11 - few lvl8 point defenses, 4 lvl6/7 ADs, 7/5/1 heroes.

Final score 29-23 victory for US (99.5% vs 88%)

Current war:
1. th11 point defenses closed to maxed, maxed xbows, no eagle, 2 lvl3 infernos. 45/45/20
2. th10 - Maxed. 40/40
3. th10 - maxed point defenses, maxed xbow, 2 lvl2 infernos. 17/16 heroes
4. th9 - maxed defense. 16/11 heroes
5. th9, maxed point defenses. 15/14 heroes
6. th9, maxed point defenses. 15/13 heroes
7. th9, maxed point defenses, 2 lvl1 xbows. 14/16 heroes
8. th9, maxed point defenses, no xbows. 17/17
9. th8 - MAXED. 10 king
10. th8 - MAXED. 10 king

Enemy:
1. th11 - maxed point defenses, 4 maxed xbows, 2 maxed infernos, no eagle. 45/45/20
2. th11 - lvl13 point defenses, 3 lvl4 xbows + 1 lvl2 xbow, 2 lvl3 infernos, no eagle. 33/40/9
3. th10 - lvl11 point defenses, 3 maxed xbows, 2 lvl1 infernos. 17/18
4. th10 - lvl11 point defenses, 3 lvl3 xbows, no infernos. 20/23
5. th9 - maxed defense. 30/27
6. th10 - lvl10 point defenses, 2 lvl2 xbows + 1 lvl1 xbow, no infernos. 8/5
7. th9 - lvl9/10 point defenses, no xbows. 5 king
8. th8 - maxed defense. 7 king
9. th10 - 1 cannon base. 7/6
10. th10 - 1 cannon base. 10/8

score after 4 hours of war: 15-0 (we used 6 attacks, enemy used 0 attacks) we 3 stared bases 6/7/8/9/10.
our bases: 1/2/3/4/6/8 has 2 attacks each left for their top 5 bases. I estimate the score will be 28 or 29 stars for us and god knows about their performance.

i know some may say we also engineer by having a th9 without xbows and th11 without eagle, but we hardly see it this way, its more a .5 bases. the enemy in our wars clearly engineer most of their bases.

The interest part is that we encounter 4 and sometimes 5 and 6 times more th11s on enemy side than we have on our side - this leads me to the question how much they really consider the th weight if at all...

Just an update, war ended, 28-22 (90.8%-80.6%) Victory over third engineered clan in a row, this brings an end to their win streak of 8.

[MrJackrabbit]

	TH	BK	AQ	GW	EA	IT	XB	WT(K)		TH	BK	AQ	GW	EA	IT	XB	WT(K)
1	11	45	45	20	2	5,5	5,5,5,5	109		11	41	45	10	0	3,3	4,4,4,0	92
2	11	41	45	13	0	0,0	1,1,0,0	73		10	30	35	X	X	3,3	4,4,4	88
3	9	19	19	X	X	X	0,0	58		10	5	1	X	X	1,0	1,1,1	68
4	8	10	X	X	X	X	X	51		8	4	X	X	X	X	X	47
5	7	5	X	X	X	X	X	39		9	5	0	X	X	X	0,0	44
6	6	X	X	X	X	X	X	30		6	X	X	X	X	X	X	30
7	5	X	X	X	X	X	X	20		5	X	X	X	X	X	X	20
8	4	X	X	X	X	X	X	12		5	X	X	X	X	X	X	15
9	3	X	X	X	X	X	X	6		4	X	X	X	X	X	X	9
10	2	X	X	X	X	X	X	2		4	X	X	X	X	X	X	8
T	66	120	109	33	1/2	2/4	6/10	400		72	85	81	10	0/1	5/6	9/12	421
WS	1									1
SC	28									27

Will fill in the final score later.
Edit: we won this close one because of failed attacks up top. For my clan we were able to get the 1* but just missed getting their th for the 2nd. For them they missed dropped the eq and were forced to go through level 12 walls on the outside.

[Bloodyheart]

Ty darian. Keep up good fight. We appreciate you

[johnnyness]

them
TH Heroes IT
th11 45/45/20 3/3
th10 30/30 1/1
th10 37/37 1/1
th9 11/10
th9 10/10
th9 10/10
th9 10/4
th8 10
th8 10
th8 10

Us:
th10 40/30 3/3
th10 40/40
th10 29/27
th9 18/15
th9 18/18
th9 15/15
th9 10/11
th9 8/4
th8 10
th8 8

essentially no way to stop a th11 with lvl 45/45 heroes. we got 27 stars, 96% damage, even if we got the other 2 stars on th10s, couldn't get 3 stars on th11 with max defenses but only lvl 3 infernos and no eagle. We lost 29 - 27.

Johnnyness
th10 40/40

[fifaworld2]

I would love for someone from supercell to explain this to me. Even if you consider our 2 bases that are 9.5s as max th10s it's a ridiculous matchup at the top and bottom. We lost by 1 star. We probably should've cleared 1 more of the th10s but we didn't and couldn't overcome 2 additional max th11 attacks combined with 2 additional bases with infernos. The only thing I can think of is those last few hero levels at th10 now weigh a TON...as much as infernos and warden basically weighs nothing, which would be ridiculous.

Last war:

Them:

TH Heroes IT Eagle
11 45/45/20 5/5 2 (max offense, most level 14 defenses)
11 45/45/20 4/4 (max bowlers and healers, most level 14 point defenses)
10 40/40 3/3 defenses and troops near max for most of their th10s
10 40/36 3/3
10 25/28 3/3
10 35/39 3/3
10 30/33 3/3
10 30/30 3/3
10 30/29 2/2 (other defenses max th10)
10 30/31 2/2 (mid level defenses with max xbows)
10 20/25 3/3 (mid level defenses with max xbows)
10 25/24 2/2 (med level defenses )
10 30/31 (max th9 defenses)
10 26/26 (some th10 defenses with 2 level 4 xbows)
9 25/21 (max th9)

Us

TH Heroes IT Eagle
11 45/45/20 5/5 2 (max offenses, mostly level 14 point)
10 40/40 3/3 (max th10s below except for walls)
10 40/40 3/3
10 40/40 3/3
10 35/35 3/3
10 31/35 3/3
10 30/33 2/2 (other defenses/troops maxed except walls)
10 34/35 2/2 (mostly th9 defenses except for xbows)
10 30/34 2/2 (mid level defenses)
10 36/36 2/2 (mostly max defenses except for splash and xbows)
10 40/40 (mostly th9 level defenses, 3 level 3 xbows)
10 40/40 (mostly th9 level defenses)
9 25/25 (max th9)
9 20/29 (max th9 except for level 2 xbows)
9 24/22 (max th9 except splash and walls)

[Zarembad]

We had thought that if you had any engineered bases in your war, then you got lumped with engineers and the matching would be "loose". Well that theory is incorrect as well. We just purposely put NO engineered bases in our 20v20 war.

Us-
3-TH11's all with infernos and wardens, but no eagles
7-TH10's
8-th9's
1-th8
1-th7

Them
10-th11's (2) with eagles (8) with wardens
6-th10's
2-th9's
2-th8's

Hero levels are not wildly different between clans.

I now believe the matching is completely random as there is no logic to this match at all

[iBork]

I'm not going to spend that much time going trough the matchup, the top 4 bases pretty much tell it all. At our top 4 we have 1 max TH11, our 2 to 4 are TH11's with no eagle, heroes at around 30. They have 4 (yes, 4) TH11 all with max heroes, 3 of them have eagle, all maxed walls and max defense. The rest of the line up is equally crazy, they have some defenseless bases while we have non.

Your math is off. Your new war MM is as good as wet diapers.

[corbiwink]

Honestly have no time to put together 40v40 and 50v50 data on 7 out of 10 losses where we were out eagled (1 win was against a farm clan, 1 win we got lucky, 1 win we went all TH 11). I am happy to see sc attempting to collect data and interact with the community on this issue. Just surprising this data has not been used for the past couple years when deciding how to tweak the mm in the first place. In the meantime, while sc is collecting all the data, how do clans continue to war knowing the mm is seriously broken? If another TH 11 heavy clan has a suggestion for a lineup that works I am open to it, because atm taking ANYTHING that is not a max defensive TH 11 for your bottom 5-10 bases in a 30-40v war seems to always result in fewer eagles for your clan (and I mean 5-10 eagles not just 1-2).