Collecting Clan War matchups...for science...and stuff!

[JanoLapin]

Hello,

We decided to stop worrying about the mm since it's a lost cause and just put everyone in there, hopefully it will become decent someday (although my opinion is that the matchmaking is not the root of the problem, but whatever). So yeah, I get that our lineup isn't really common but we stopped caring about that.

20v20
Us:
1 - TH11 40/45/19 defs TH10 level, EA 2, ITs 3/4
2 - TH10 40/40 max
3 - TH10 40/40 max
4 - TH10 40/36 max
5 - TH10 40/40 max (difference is walls level)
6 - TH10 40/40 mid/high defs, ITs 3
7 - TH10 38/40 mid/high defs, ITs 1/2
8 - TH10 35/35 TH9 defs, no ITs (9.5)
9 - TH10 30/31 TH9 defs, no ITs (new TH10)
10 - TH9 30/30 max
11 - TH9 30/30 max
12 - TH9 30/30 max
13 - TH9 30/30 max
14 - TH9 25/24 max
15 - TH9 21/27 max
16 - TH9 23/23 max
17 - TH9 20/21 max
18 - TH9 17/20 max
19 - TH9 10/10 defs TH8, xbows 1/1, missing new aa/wt (8.5 upgrading to TH9)
20 - TH8

Them:
1 - TH11 max 35/39/20
2 - TH11 25/26/12 high defs, ITs 5, EA 2
3 - TH11 18/30/1 high TH11 level defs, ITs 5, no EA, max laloon/dragons/healers/bowlers
4 - TH11 18/33/2 high TH11 level defs, ITs 5, no EA, max laloon/dragons/bowlers/witch
5 - TH11 20/25/1 high TH11 level defs, ITs 5, no EA, max balloons/dragons/bowlers
6 - TH10 20/26 max
7 - TH10 21/22 nearly max ITs 3
8 - TH10 10/18 high TH10 defs, no ITs
9 - TH9 16/19 max
10 - TH9 11/15 max
11 - TH9 9/12 max
12 - TH9 13/12 max
13 - TH9 10/6 max
14 - TH9 10/3 nearly max
15 - TH9 7/6 max (no bomb tower)
16 - TH9 7/5 mid TH9 defs
17 - TH9 10/0 (?) nearly max (?) decent lab
18 - TH9 10/0 like a TH8, xbows 1/2
19 - TH9 10/0 defs TH9 level, no xbows, no new defs
20 - TH9 no heroes "defenseless" (a bunch of level 1 defs) level 3 drags

I'm not sure what to think about this one, they are completely mismatched at the TH9 level, we are completely mismatched at the TH11/10 level. I guess we have to hope they suck at 9v9 and that they won't have too many available dips, otherwise it's game over I suppose.
PS: first time I see so high TH11 troops/defs with level 1 wardens

[TheNightHawkx]

Seriously why do you need this? This data is so easy to extract from a database which you guys must have. Why don't you hire some decent data analysts and find all the stats you need rather than put more work back on your players. Seems to me like you guys are just trying to string along as many people as you can for as long as you can whilst you still don't fix anything and this is just another post to pretend like you are doing something.

[Sukram65]

SC has these data in it's data base, of course. So no need to ask us?
Still, the question we can answer is, which matches are mismatches from our point of view.

~Markus

[BlackDragonD]

I can hardly believe what i see here, really are you asking us about data you have?
In what format would you like to receive it for easier analysis? Perhaps we should create a database and just send it to you for your convenience? or even do the analysis for you and send the result? Or even fix the non working algo and publish to app store so that life will be easier for you?

Any way, just to prove how bad your algorithm is, here is our last war:
us:
1. th11 point defenses closed to maxed, maxed xbows, no eagle, 2 lvl3 infernos. 45/45/20
2. th10 - Maxed. 40/40
3. th10 - maxed point defenses, maxed xbow, 2 lvl2 infernos. 17/16 heroes
4. th9 - maxed defense. 16/11 heroes
5. th9, maxed point defenses, 2 lvl1 xbows. 14/16 heroes
6. th9, maxed point defenses, no xbows. 17/17
7. th9, 2 weeks old. th8 lvl defenses, 2 lvl1 xbows. 7/5 heroes
8. th8 - MAXED. 10 king
9. th8 - MAXED. 10 king
10.th6 - maxed.

Enemy:
1. th11 - lvl 13 point defenses, 3 lvl4 xbows + 1 lvl2 xbow, 2 lvl3 infernos, eagle. 25/21/5
2. th11 - lvl 12/13 point defenses, 3 lvl4 xbows + 1 lvl3 xbow, 2 lvl3 infernos, no eagle. 12/12/7
3. th10 - maxed defense. 16/19 heroes
4. th10 - lvl11 point defenses, 3 lvl2 xbows, no infernos. 8/7 heroes
5. th10 - lvl11 point defenses, 2 lvl3 xbows, no infernos. 11/15 heroes
6. th11 - lvl10 point defenses, 2 lvl2 xbows, no infernos, no eagle. 8/10/5 heroes
7. th9 - lvl 10 point defenses, 2 lvl1 xbows. 9/2 heroes
8. th11 - few th9 point defenses, 4 lvl7 ADs, no xbows, no infernos, no eagle. 6/7/1 heroes
9. th10 - lvl8 point defenses, 4 lvl7 ADs, no xbows, no infernos. 6/2 heroes
10. th11 - few lvl8 point defenses, 4 lvl6/7 ADs, 7/5/1 heroes.

Final score 29-23 victory for US (99.5% vs 88%)

Current war:
1. th11 point defenses closed to maxed, maxed xbows, no eagle, 2 lvl3 infernos. 45/45/20
2. th10 - Maxed. 40/40
3. th10 - maxed point defenses, maxed xbow, 2 lvl2 infernos. 17/16 heroes
4. th9 - maxed defense. 16/11 heroes
5. th9, maxed point defenses. 15/14 heroes
6. th9, maxed point defenses. 15/13 heroes
7. th9, maxed point defenses, 2 lvl1 xbows. 14/16 heroes
8. th9, maxed point defenses, no xbows. 17/17
9. th8 - MAXED. 10 king
10. th8 - MAXED. 10 king

Enemy:
1. th11 - maxed point defenses, 4 maxed xbows, 2 maxed infernos, no eagle. 45/45/20
2. th11 - lvl13 point defenses, 3 lvl4 xbows + 1 lvl2 xbow, 2 lvl3 infernos, no eagle. 33/40/9
3. th10 - lvl11 point defenses, 3 maxed xbows, 2 lvl1 infernos. 17/18
4. th10 - lvl11 point defenses, 3 lvl3 xbows, no infernos. 20/23
5. th9 - maxed defense. 30/27
6. th10 - lvl10 point defenses, 2 lvl2 xbows + 1 lvl1 xbow, no infernos. 8/5
7. th9 - lvl9/10 point defenses, no xbows. 5 king
8. th8 - maxed defense. 7 king
9. th10 - 1 cannon base. 7/6
10. th10 - 1 cannon base. 10/8

score after 4 hours of war: 15-0 (we used 6 attacks, enemy used 0 attacks) we 3 stared bases 6/7/8/9/10.
our bases: 1/2/3/4/6/8 has 2 attacks each left for their top 5 bases. I estimate the score will be 28 or 29 stars for us and god knows about their performance.

i know some may say we also engineer by having a th9 without xbows and th11 without eagle, but we hardly see it this way, its more a .5 bases. the enemy in our wars clearly engineer most of their bases.

The interest part is that we encounter 4 and sometimes 5 and 6 times more th11s on enemy side than we have on our side - this leads me to the question how much they really consider the th weight if at all...

[SuperStorm103]

Also, don't forget that they do have do 100's of thousands of wars worth of data. Some of those matches are probably a good match. Some are probably really bad matches. How do they know which is which? I don't mind pointing them in the right direction so they can actively look at whats going on and potentially address the issues.

Using their data is like looking for a needle in a hay stack. But if each piece of hay was capable of self examination and could say I am or am not the needle and present them selves to SC as THE needle in the haystack......it would be pretty easy to find needles.

[MrJackrabbit]

	TH	BK	AQ	GW	EA	IT	XB	WT(K)		TH	BK	AQ	GW	EA	IT	XB	WT(K)
1	11	45	45	20	2	5,5	5,5,5,5	109		11	45	45	20	2	5,5	5,5,5,5	109
2	11	41	45	12	0	0,0	1,1,0,0	73		10	30	27	X	X	2,3	3,3,4	86
3	9	19	19	X	X	X	0,0	58		9	11	10	X	X	X	0,0	60
4	8	10	X	X	X	X	X	51		8	9	X	X	X	X	X	49
5	7	5	X	X	X	X	X	39		9	5	0	X	X	X	X	39
6	6	X	X	X	X	X	X	30		6	X	X	X	X	X	X	23
7	5	X	X	X	X	X	X	20		4	X	X	X	X	X	X	10
8	4	X	X	X	X	X	X	12		3	X	X	X	X	X	X	4
9	3	X	X	X	X	X	X	6		7	0	X	X	X	X	X	2
10	2	X	X	X	X	X	X	2		4	X	X	X	X	X	X	1
T	66	120	109	32	1/2	2/4	6/10	400		71	100	82	20	1/1	4/4	7/9	383
WS	0									0
SC	29									24

We should win this war as their #1 attacked 9&10 then left the clan. Their #2 attacked #4.
Fair war? Did they get out engineered? Some may claim that #2&3 are engineered however they are simply rushed as they have all builders building and they rushed to their perspective th. Yes that is a th2 in the #10 position.
As with most of my wars they I am even under this MM still not seeing the massive mismatch that many claim. I must either be really lucky or play in a style that favors the MM. I wouldn't know what style that is since I play both engineered and maxed styles. So maybe it is my luck or maybe the MM isn't as bad as many claim.
Edit: final score 29-24 win.

[OperationGaming]

You truly are a great CM Darian

[Phoenixni]

Just got matched in 25 man war. Us at top 8 th 10, 1 new some fully maxed, 1 th 10 idiot at 18. Them 10 th 10, 7 th 11 with max miners & drags. Algorithm is so far of its killing clans. We just merged with another. Wars are over if this continues.

[MrJackrabbit]

Just got matched in 25 man war. Us at top 8 th 10, 1 new some fully maxed, 1 th 10 idiot at 18. Them 10 th 10, 7 th 11 with max miners & drags. Algorithm is so far of its killing clans. We just merged with another. Wars are over if this continues.

welcome to the forums. thank you for reading post #1 and doing the exact opposite of what was said.

[Phoenixni]

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