Collecting Clan War matchups...for science...and stuff!

[SuperStorm103]

Does the MMA actually match offense to offense and defense to defense? I ask this because wars like our current one still lead me to believe that it still has the option to offset the opposing clans offense with the other clans defense.

The point of this post is only to illustrate the apparent matching errors with the current MMA, in the fact that it failed to match offense levels and defense levels significantly for both sides.

While I'm not going to declare a mis match (as the opposing clan is extremely squishy), it seems like they were afforded a large amount of unmatched offense. The outcome of this war (either a win or draw) is highly dependent on our defenses holding off the opposing clans offense. They are not offering much up for resistance until #1 or maybe #2. We have plenty of offense to theoretically 100% them.
Though we have solid defenses, they have a large number of extra th11 hits (granted they are lavaloon spammers which means they can be lucky or horrible attackers).

My point is, that offense was not matched very well in this particular war, neither was defense and each side clearly has much more then the other in one department. If Darian ever gets back to me, I can do a match breakdown.

I do not think the format specified in the OP has any real value. Seems like all you need is the town hall lvl and weight and major defenses you know what the defenses are. Further, nobody really pays attention to defense levels. Only the what they have placed and not placed and obvious extremes (very low or very high levels).

Darian, please get back to me on my match data. The example was posted on page 3.

I will be more then happy to detail this match once I know my time will not be wasted.

Th11 offense at a glance:

Us---Them:

45/45/20 w/ Max Troops--------------45/45/20 w/ Max Troops
45/45/20 w/ Max Troops--------------45/45/20 w/ Max Troops
16/18/8 w/ Max:Bowlers/Healers------21/28/20 w/ Max Troops
23/30/9 w/ Max:Whitch---------------44/45/17 w/ Max:Hound/Loon/Healer
45/45/20 w/ Max Troops--------------30/25/9w/ Nothing Max
20/30/7 w/ Max:Bowlers--------------37/39/17 w/ Max:Hound/Loon/Healer
------------------------------------27/28/9w/ Nothing Max
------------------------------------45/45/20 w/ Max:Hound/Loon/Dragon/Healer
------------------------------------33/34/20 w/ Max:Hound/Loon/Healer
------------------------------------34/34/15 w/ Max:Hound/Loon/Healer
------------------------------------45/45/20 w/ Max:Hound/Loon/Bowler/Healer

Okay so, Blues and greens are acceptable matches. Lets write off the Gray as not having the ability to effect the outcome of the war.

Lets talk about the opposing clans offense in Red that is not matched to anything offense wise on our roster. We do have tougher defenses spread across the roster, but again I am trying to point out the differences in offense and defense matching. Thoughts? This is a 25v25 war. They have manged and extra 5 High level/Max wardens and 3 sets of max offense.

Here is the result, though if they had done more then 1 star our top 4 bases with their multiple max lava spam and long queen walks on the beach (literally 2 minute walks) with no time left for lavaloon portion, there might have been a different outcome. Anyways.....

[Dangerscouse]

Wow..like for sure SC u do the template..and create the report function in game if u are bothered about fixing this mess...asking people to spend hours counting wall is unreasonable.

[Stevejnr]

Here is the result, though if they had done more then 1 star our top 4 bases with their multiple max lava spam and long queen walks on the beach (literally 2 minute walks) with no time left for lavaloon portion, there might have been a different outcome. Anyways.....

Good work Superstorm, glad that one worked out for you.

Sadly, I have woken up this morning to see our war is already over, less than 8 hours in and we have been 100% destroyed.
Didn't hold out much hope from the start, when our 4 TH10 were matched with 4 TH10 and 4 TH11, yes again they have some squishy bases, but not enough.

[SuperStorm103]

Good work Superstorm, glad that one worked out for you.

Sadly, I have woken up this morning to see our war is already over, less than 8 hours in and we have been 100% destroyed.
Didn't hold out much hope from the start, when our 4 TH10 were matched with 4 TH10 and 4 TH11, yes again they have some squishy bases, but not enough.

Bummer steven.

We just can't get away from these lavaloon spammer clans (low heroes less the level 10 wardens with max hounds and loons and dragons). This one has 9.5's matched to the majority of our 9's and all these 9.5's have th10 level defenses and offense. Sure enough, out of 50 attacks 46 were lavaloon spam.......every single hit was a dip. 9's vs 8's 10's and 11's vs 9 (haha my 64K th9 with level 1 xbows was hit with a full on th11 hit, with lvl 4 houhds and a lvl 7 loons and a warden). They have struggled with the 11vs 10's hits and 11 vs 11's. Going to be another close on I think.

I totally feel like SC has reverted a certain portion of the MMA.

[SuperStorm103]

Our #16:



Thier #16:



Our #15:



Their #15:



Pretty much the story of the map.

[xc3ss1v30n3]

Typically, I don't bother, but this match I feel like we're particularly disadvantaged and would like to see if that's just a feeling or if it's real and also for SC's information. Feel free to ask any extra questions and I'll try to get them answered as well as coming back for the result. For clarity's sake, I included an "e" next to the town hall level if the base could/should be considered engineered and a "--" for missing defenses.

Our clan tag is #LVLPJL8 - Checkerboard X
They are #9GCQRJQJ - Samudra Clan 2

Hope this information is helpful.

	TH	BK	AQ	GW	EA	IT	XB	DW	TH	BK	AQ	GW	EA	IT	XB	DW
1	11	45	45	20	2	2x5	4x5	109	11	45	45	20	2	2x5	4x5	109
2	11	45	45	20	2	2x5	4x5	109	11	45	45	20	2	2x5	4x5	109
3	11	45	45	20	2	2x5	4x5	108	11	30	30	12	2	2x5	4x5	106
4	11	25	27	20	2	2x5	4x5	107	11	33	34	15	2	2x5	4x5	106
5	11	20	24	18	2	2x5	1x5 3x4	103	11	25	30	14	2	2x5	4x5	105
6	10	30	32			2x3	3x4	88	11	27	34	7	1	2x3	2x5 2x4	103
7	10	30	33			2x3	3x4	88	11e	14	18	13	--	2x3	1x5 3x4	90
8	10	27	37			2x3	3x4	87	10	36	40			2x3	3x4	89
9	10	22	22			2x3	2x4 1x3	86	10	22	22			2x3	3x4	88
10	10	20	17			2x3	3x3	84	10	18	18			2x3	3x4	88
11	10	20	22			2x2	1x4 1x3 1x2	84	10	20	31			2x3	3x4	87
12	10	15	11			1x1 1x2	2x4 1x3	83	11e	21	21	6	--		2x5 1x4 1x3	78
13e	10	20	29			--	2x3	72	10e	30	32			--	3x4	76
14e	10	25	26			--	2x3	70	11e	20	26	1	--	--	3x4	76
15	9	25	21				2x3	69	11e	20	26		--	--	3x4	74
16	9	10	8				2x2	63	10e	12	12			--	3x4	72
17	9	8	8				2x2	60	10e	30	33			--	2x4	72
18	9	8	1				2x2	60	9	10	8				2x1	61
19	8	10						54	8	6						51
20	6							27	11e	7	10	8	--	--	--	36
TOTAL		450	453	98				1611		471	515	116				1676

Edit #1... Just some thoughts after my eyes stopped bleeding. I didn't realize until now (and this is after many wars too) that we actually do have a couple engineered bases in our clan. That being said, this does look like a mismatch in every way that I can tell. They have an advantage in both offense AND defense. I'm not sure how much wiggle room there is in defensive weight to know if 60+ points is a big difference or not. Still, there's an advantage.

[brittanymorgan256]

we had a war matchup right after the latest update. & were extremely outmatched, our war weight was actually higher than theirs, BUT they had FOUR TH11's with a lot of maxed troops, we had only ONE TH11 with only 3 maxed troops. so there was NO way we could begin to compete, they had no problem clearing every single base of ours, so even though we tried our absolute best (all the while knowing we would lose) we lost of course! how in the world can ONE TH11 get matched up with 4 TH11's when they have so many maxed troops??????!!!!!! it's beyond ridiculous. below is the table, not that it will help much because it doesnt account for the maxed troops that the enemy team had.

	TH	AQ	BK	GW	EA	IT	XB	WT(K)		TH	AQ	BK	GW	EA	IT	XB	WT(K)
1	10	40	40			3,3	4,4,4	89	1	11	25	25	11		3,3	4,4,4	89
2	10	33	30			2,2	4,4,2	85	2	11	23	19	12			5,5,4,3	76
3	10	25	25			2,1	2,2,2	83	3	11	20	16	12			4,4	72
4	10	22	20				3,3	70	4	11	16	13	6			3,3,3	71
5	9	25	27				3,3	69	5	10	12	10				3,3	67
6	11	25	22	13				66	6	9	12	12				3,3	67
7	9	18	17					63	7	10	11	10					61
8	9	8	10				3,3	63	8	9	6	10					61
9	10	20	19					62	9	9	5	10					60
10	10	38	32					61	10	9	5	10					59
11	9	15	12					61	11	10	6	10					55
12	9	16	15					59	12	8		10					55
13	9	8	10					58	13	8		8					54
14	9	9	10					50	14	8		9					47
15	8		8					49	15	10	1	9					47
16	8		7					47	16	8		7					46
17	9	6	6					32	17	9		7					36
18	9	5	5					28	18	9		3					27
19	8		3					26	19	9		3					24
20	5							20	20	3							5
								1141									1079

[fifaworld2]

How does supercell not have a way to collect this data within in the game? lol.

[TankSinatra]

Full week with no follow up, no response to the limitations of the data/ silliness of the collection method. Feel kind of bad for anyone that put any time into a response.

[Tomville]

How does supercell not have a way to collect this data within in the game? lol.

They do, but likely not as effective a way to spot exact ones to look at more closely, or we are a second information channel that adds what numbers can’t: the player sense of fairness in what they are looking at.