Thats why you add a large war weight if they have a max LAB.
TH 11 with defense weight of 45k but max lab gets 85k weight. If you want to scrutinize the actual troops and use a different factor be my guest but dont compare that guy to a TH 8 lol
Thats why you add a large war weight if they have a max LAB.
TH 11 with defense weight of 45k but max lab gets 85k weight. If you want to scrutinize the actual troops and use a different factor be my guest but dont compare that guy to a TH 8 lol
10x10 war with all th11 participants, multiple max th11 bases on each side.
Our streak was 1, we lost 21-23. Their heros were a little stronger, their defences were considerably stronger in the bottom 4 lanes.
Everybody had th11 appropriate war troop levels (with multiple top bases each side having fully max offence, all lab work complete).
Omitted boxes indicate that everything is at th11 max levels as per rows above.
Us:
AQ BK GW EA IT XB CN MT WT AT AD TC BT AS Walls 45 45 20 2 2x5 4x5 6x15 4x10 5x10 8x15 4x9 4x9 2x5 2x6 75x12,225x11 20x12,280x11 2x4 31x11,263x10, 6x9 5x13,1x11 4x9 5x9 8x13 2x4 295x11,5x10 41 40 5x13,1x12 4x8 4x9,1x7 7x13,1x12 1x9,3x8 2x4 105x11,170x10, 2x9, 14x8, 9x6 45 40 1 2x4 3x4,1x2 6x13 4x7 4x9,1x6 7x13,1x12 4x8 4x8 2x2 300x11 45 40 1 2x4 3x4,1x2 6x13 4x7 4x9,1x6 7x13,1x12 4x8 4x8 2x2 297x11,3x10
Them:
AQ BK GW EA IT XB CN MT WT AT AD TC BT AS Walls 45 45 20 2 2x5 4x5 6x15 4x10 5x10 8x15 4x9 4x9 2x5 2x6 75x12,225x11 43x12,257x11 24x12,140x11,136x10 75x12, 100x11,125x10 68x12,232x11 41 2x12,37x11,261x10
Last edited by Tomville; October 5th, 2017 at 01:25 AM.
Chapter One #22V00CGY Level 16 International clan
We welcome strong TH11 and TH12 adult players with big heros for relaxed fun warring, maxing bases and some pushing. Must know where the donate button is!
I posted this about 3 weeks back..
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Summary of War #7 on offence.
Total troop levels
Us / Them
king - 1002 / 1138
queen - 1057 / 1171
warden - 245 / 427
bowlers - 63 / 78
witch - 70 / 75
hound - 94 / 109
loon - 191 / 202
healer - 130 / 140
They have 9 more TH11s than us, and as you can see high wardens.
Clearly engineered clan as only 9 out of 23 have EA. (23 out of 30 are TH11 !!!)
Most have low inferno or none also.
We have a clear defence advantage, but this is so overpowered by their attack strength.
Clear proof that offence strength is NOT considered high enough in algorithm.
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Darian, the algorithm has to consider troop weights, not just heroes.
Since the latest MM we had seen 3 improved matches, now our 4th is a bit silly.
20v20 War.
in summary
12 TH11s v 18 TH11s.
6 TH10s v 1 TH10
2 TH9s v 1 TH9
Sure we have a defence advantage. (Both have same EAs) (They have 8 bases with no infernos)
i think we have King & Queen lvl advantage.
But they have 6 extra GWs, of which 4 have ability, and 2 are maxed.
they have 5 extra sets of Max troops.
Their 20 is defenceless Th11, no maxed troops and 6/5 heroes, no GW
Their 19 for example has Max Dragons, Lightning & Rage. Heroes are only 5/5/1 thou.
Their 16 has Max hound, Loon, Bowler, hogs, rage, jump, haste. 10/10/18 heroes
their 15 has Max hound, loon, bowler, rage, heal, jump, 10/10/7
14 has nearly every troop and spell maxed with all 3 heroes maxed.
13 has nearly all troops maxed and spells, 30/31/20 heroes.
Can you provide us with a tool that exports both teams war lineups, including troops.
its quite time consuming to go thru every base and list every offence and defence out..
can you give each war a unique I'd number, and we just provide you with that.
I've posted the war that just ended above, here is the one we just spun. Our big th10s matches multiple whopper th11 problem is back...
Win streak 0
We have bigger heros and nicer walls... and 2 poor th10s. They have th11 max defence on every single base, except the walls.
Results to be posted after war. Edit: as predicted we lost, 30-32. If it had been all th11vth11 we would have been clear winners on percentage.
As previous post, all blank boxes indicate th11 max level items as per the row above.
Us:
TH AQ BK GW EA IT XB CN MT WT AT AD TC BT AS Walls US 11 45 45 20 2 2x5 4x5 6x15 4x10 5x10 8x15 4x9 4x9 2x5 2x6 75x12, 225x11 11 11 11 11 11 11 20x12, 280x11 11 75x12, 110x11, 115x10 11 2x4 31x11, 263x10, 6x9 11 5x13, 1x11 4x9 5x9 8x13 2x4 295x11, 5x10 11 41 40 5x13, 1x12 4x8 4x9, 1x7 7x13, 1x12 1x9, 3x8 2x4 105x11, 170x10, 2x9, 14x8, 9x6 11 45 40 1 2x4 3x4,1x2 6x13 4x7 4x9, 1x6 7x13, 1x12 4x8 4x8 2x2 4x11, 296x11 11 45 40 1 2x4 3x4,1x2 6x13 4x7 4x9, 1x6 7x13, 1x12 4x8 4x8 2x2 1x12, 299x11 10 40 40 x x 2x3 3x4 5x13 4x8 4x9 7x13 4x8 4x8 2x4 175x11, 100x10 10 25 23 x x 2x3 3x4 5x13 4x8 4x9 7x13 4x8 4x8 2x4 85x11, 190x9 THEM 11 45 45 20 2 2x5 4x5 6x15 4x10 5x10 8x15 4x9 4x9 2x5 2x6 75x12,225x11 11 11 11 11 11 11 40 38 11 45 45 20x11, 215x10, 65x9 11 41 41 13 75x12, 250x11 11 35 26 20 75x12, 90x11, 135x10 11 42 40 16 9x12, 89x11, 202x10 11 33 31 20 128x11, 192x10 11 40 39 20 5x11, 98x10, 197x9 11 31 30 20 12x11, 288x10 11 30 28 10 61x11, 239x10
Last edited by Tomville; October 6th, 2017 at 10:46 PM. Reason: Added war result
Chapter One #22V00CGY Level 16 International clan
We welcome strong TH11 and TH12 adult players with big heros for relaxed fun warring, maxing bases and some pushing. Must know where the donate button is!
Am I the only one that finds it amussing that SC would ask for detailed info down to troops when theyre not even matching wars consistently.
its like saying... we want to analyze the projectory of the spacecraft going around the moon when they arent even launching into orbit yet? Lol
new war matchup... 10vs10.. they have 3 11s with 3 eagles and max and near max troops. We have 1 max 11 with eagle and 2 11s without and the 3rd me is a 91k weight.
SC wants to know the troop levels of the bottom guys lol
I’m sure you aren’t the only one. I’m not one myself. I take it that they are interested in both specific clan drill down, the facts of how even matches are and in our impressions of fairness and unfairness, all as input - along with their other data - towards future tweaking. I will be putting our info on each match anyway, and using the level of detail requested, in the hope that it can be both useful to them and of interest to others who like seeing specifically how other clans match.Originally Posted by WH7DX
Last edited by Tomville; October 5th, 2017 at 01:55 AM.
Chapter One #22V00CGY Level 16 International clan
We welcome strong TH11 and TH12 adult players with big heros for relaxed fun warring, maxing bases and some pushing. Must know where the donate button is!
Yah I hear you but its kinda scary they are having such a problem with this if they are truly trying to match evenly.
Were just asking for close. Match the groups of 5 reasonable and the overall will match. If you just look at the overall its garbage data and useless.
SC heres the secret... focus on the top 5 player matchups and adjust for defenseless Max LAB bases hanging down real low....shhhhhhh
Last edited by WH7DX; October 5th, 2017 at 02:36 AM.
I disagree, if you look at the two matchings I posted above you will see one where we are likely to lose through disadvantage and one where we where we had a lesser disadvantage and lost, despite the top 5 bases on each side being identical in both matches and no engineered or defenceless bases involved. That sort of information is also useful in the mix for Supercell. Some of what is there - especially in the first match - would be explained simply by who is available to match at the given search time (sometimes you are the hammer, sometimes the nail), while the second match suggests a further tweak might be needed, especially if other heavy clans with multiple big 10s also report them still matching huge 11s.
In any case I take this to be the thread for providing feedback, rather than for critiquing the request for feedback.
Last edited by Tomville; October 5th, 2017 at 02:56 AM.
Chapter One #22V00CGY Level 16 International clan
We welcome strong TH11 and TH12 adult players with big heros for relaxed fun warring, maxing bases and some pushing. Must know where the donate button is!
Your battles with all heavy hitters is a little unusual and I think the biggest factor would be the base layouts and attacking skills over the troops defense or offense. They look doable to me. Plenty of extra hits from above to come down and help on the lowers if they good at attacking
Posted this in another thread. This tells me everything I need to know... i dont care about the exact stuff other than eagle and closely matching the top 5. The weight will tell me enough as other pointed out. Must indentify the super engineered and adjust accordingly.
I WONT Interfer in the collecting of all of it... just dont get it.
>>>Current war is a close one. Good match.
They have 3 Eagles to our 2. They have TH 11,11,11,11,10,10,9,9,9,8,8,7,3,3,3
We have TH 11,11,11,11,10,11,10,9,9,8,7,9,6,3,3
They have 2 Max and we have 2 max
Grouped by Defense / Heroes 1-5,6-10,11-15 (analyze the players in groups of 5)
Them 504/480 Heroes
339/194
100/10
Us 490/476 Heroes
325/200
113/15
Totals are 943/684 Heroes Them
928/691 Heroes Us
Im convinced that grouping like this and matching and factoring in total as well, with Eagles and any defenseless lower bases will give SC very close and fair matchups.
They must keep a close eye matching high ranking bases on top because thats where most wars are won
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