Collecting Clan War matchups...for science...and stuff!

[Sukram65]

I'm Th 10, (almost) max offence, 74K Gold in defense (no IT towers). I'm number one in our wars.
If the opponents number one has 84K Gold or less, we win (as I can 3 star him). Can also be some more, depending on the base layout and my luck / performance during the attack.

If the opponent has max Th 10 defense, we loose most likely (except the enemy clan has poor skills). So we consider this as mismatch. But, most times we win .

The other war participants don't matter, we will 3 star them anyway,

We have TH 8, 9 and 10 in the war. Sometimes one Th 3, because a 14/14 war is not possible and we want to avoid to have 4 skilled players not in the war.


Reason:
As long as I remember and can check (about the last 60 wars) I was never 3-starred, not even from Th11 opponents with GW, Loons 7, ...
So, if I can 3 star the opponents number 1, we win

[SuperStorm103]

Looks like between maggoteaux, Tomville, and my recent matches, there is disturbing trend of clans being outmatched on defense and offense.

This is a problem. If one clan has offense advantage and the other defense advantage it's still a decent war. When a clan has to fight much tougher defenses with less troops, well it makes for a very challenging war. Depending on the scale of mis match, that is the scenario that makes for un-winnable wars.

[xc3ss1v30n3]

Typically, I don't bother, but this match I feel like we're particularly disadvantaged and would like to see if that's just a feeling or if it's real and also for SC's information. Feel free to ask any extra questions and I'll try to get them answered as well as coming back for the result. For clarity's sake, I included an "e" next to the town hall level if the base could/should be considered engineered and a "--" for missing defenses.

Our clan tag is #LVLPJL8 - Checkerboard X
They are #9GCQRJQJ - Samudra Clan 2

Hope this information is helpful.

	TH	BK	AQ	GW	EA	IT	XB	DW	TH	BK	AQ	GW	EA	IT	XB	DW
1	11	45	45	20	2	2x5	4x5	109	11	45	45	20	2	2x5	4x5	109
2	11	45	45	20	2	2x5	4x5	109	11	45	45	20	2	2x5	4x5	109
3	11	45	45	20	2	2x5	4x5	108	11	30	30	12	2	2x5	4x5	106
4	11	25	27	20	2	2x5	4x5	107	11	33	34	15	2	2x5	4x5	106
5	11	20	24	18	2	2x5	1x5 3x4	103	11	25	30	14	2	2x5	4x5	105
6	10	30	32			2x3	3x4	88	11	27	34	7	1	2x3	2x5 2x4	103
7	10	30	33			2x3	3x4	88	11e	14	18	13	--	2x3	1x5 3x4	90
8	10	27	37			2x3	3x4	87	10	36	40			2x3	3x4	89
9	10	22	22			2x3	2x4 1x3	86	10	22	22			2x3	3x4	88
10	10	20	17			2x3	3x3	84	10	18	18			2x3	3x4	88
11	10	20	22			2x2	1x4 1x3 1x2	84	10	20	31			2x3	3x4	87
12	10	15	11			1x1 1x2	2x4 1x3	83	11e	21	21	6	--		2x5 1x4 1x3	78
13e	10	20	29			--	2x3	72	10e	30	32			--	3x4	76
14e	10	25	26			--	2x3	70	11e	20	26	1	--	--	3x4	76
15	9	25	21				2x3	69	11e	20	26		--	--	3x4	74
16	9	10	8				2x2	63	10e	12	12			--	3x4	72
17	9	8	8				2x2	60	10e	30	33			--	2x4	72
18	9	8	1				2x2	60	9	10	8				2x1	61
19	8	10						54	8	6						51
20	6							27	11e	7	10	8	--	--	--	36
TOTAL		450	453	98				1611		471	515	116				1676

Edit #1... Just some thoughts after my eyes stopped bleeding. I didn't realize until now (and this is after many wars too) that we actually do have a couple engineered bases in our clan. That being said, this does look like a mismatch in every way that I can tell. They have an advantage in both offense AND defense. I'm not sure how much wiggle room there is in defensive weight to know if 60+ points is a big difference or not. Still, there's an advantage.

Looks like this is going to result in a loss for us by at least 6 stars. Doesn't help matters that one of our TH10s is missing both attacks (and will be kicked), but that is kind of offset by their #1 gaining no stars for his clan (1 failed attack against me and 1 attack gaining no new stars). Bottom definitely made a difference as we did not 3 star as many bases at the bottom as they did. All in all, I think we had a "chance" if everything broke right for us. The more likely possibility was that we lose by a few. With the missing attacks and a couple of our guys not doing solid attacks, the loss will be a little more lopsided.

[JanoLapin]

Hello,

Current war:
10v10

Us:
1 - TH10 40/40 max
2 - TH10 40/36 max
3 - TH10 28/40 max
4 - TH10 37/40 mid defs, ITs 1 and 2
5 - TH10 34/35 low/mid defs, ITs 3
6 - TH9 30/30 max
7 - TH9 30/30 max
8 - TH9 30/30 max
9 - TH9 22/21 max
10 - TH9 21/26 max (difference between the #9 is walls level)

Them:
1 - TH11 26/33/11, no EA, ITs4, TH10 level defenses+new defs, max laloon/bowlers
2 - TH10 22/34 max
3 - TH10 18/23 max
4 - TH11 25/28/16, no EA, no ITs, 4 xbows, a mix of TH11/10/9 defs, max laloon/bowlers/healers
5 - TH10 13/15, one IT 1, 3 xbows, mix of TH9/10 defs
6 - TH10 22/25, no IT, 3 xbows, low/mid TH10 defs
7 - TH9 12/15 max
8 - TH10 7/9 looking like a TH8
9 - TH8 max
10 - TH7

Obviously we are matched against a very similar clan. Yet another boring war.

The problem isn't the war being fair or not (it's not, but whatever), the problem is that for a lot of participants this is a waste of time. A ton are opted out because of this. We wouldn't mind more TH10s to compensate for higher heroes, not this nonsense.

[Baromir19]

My clan #vovujrgp

[MrJackrabbit]

	TH	BK	AQ	GW	EA	IT	XB	WT(K)		TH	BK	AQ	GW	EA	IT	XB	WT(K)
1	11	45	45	20	2	5,5	5,5,5,5	109		11	45	45	20	2	5,5	5,5,5,5	109
2	11	41	45	12	0	0,0	0,0,0,0	71		10	35	37	X	X	3,3	4,4,4	89
3	10	30	32	X	X	X	1,1,0	68		9	25	26	X	X	X	3,3	69
4	8	10	X	X	X	X	X	51		8	10	X	X	X	X	X	54
5	7	5	X	X	X	X	X	39		7	5	X	X	X	X	X	40
6	9	6	6	X	X	X	0,0	32		7	2	X	X	X	X	X	39
7	6	X	X	X	X	X	X	30		6	X	X	X	X	X	X	27
8	5	X	X	X	X	X	X	20		5	X	X	X	X	X	X	20
9	4	X	X	X	X	X	X	1		4	X	X	X	X	X	X	9
10	3	X	X	X	X	X	X	1		3	X	X	X	X	X	X	4
T	74	137	128	32	1/2	2/4	6/13	421		70	122	108	20	1/1	4/4	9/14	460
WS	2									0
SC	27									29

will update the score when it's over. Next war will have a few slight adjustments replacing the low weight th9,3,4 with more weight/maxed accounts. Will also add another low th max account and drop probably the th10. Will be a close war even though I choose to war with heroes down and not use gems to wake them up.

[Tomville]

Result from last war was 20-9, the enemy just gave up, with their bottom baby 10 and max 9 opposite a max defence 10 and big 11.

Another war spin and another shocker. I don’t know I’m up to gathering all the data detail. I’ll leave it as saying all maxer style bases, everyone has the big ticket defence stuff and has it max with the exception we added a young th11 with no eagle yet. 15v15, we are 13 th11 and 2 max defence 10, enemy has 10 th11, 4 max defence th10 and a max defence 9.

This is our 4th straight mismatch where we not only have considerable offence and defence advantage, but have got that against an enemy with poor th9s in their lineup!

Adding result: we won 32-23. This is the third war in a row where we had an overmatched enemy with solid bases just give up. We didn’t even do particularly well, left some th10 only 2 starred.

[Bigtone2001]

Let's have a central repository for posting Clan War matchups. This goes for both good and bad matchups. We refer to our own internal data driven information, but we also want to make sure this coincides with what the community is seeing as well.

Simply stating the number of Town Halls on each side doesn't give us a clear enough idea of why a matchup is good or bad. We need to see the breakdown of each base on each side. I understand this is a tedious request, but it does give us a greater understanding of what you are seeing.

Formatting
To try and prevent massive walls of texts, presenting the information in a table would make it much simpler to read. You can find the table creation function in the formatting options. I have used 17 Columns. Use as many rows as needed for each clan (ie - 30 rows for 15v15, 80 rows for 40x40, etc.)

Post how many of each x the level. So under the TH11, you can see that this person has 2x Level 3 Inferno Towers (2x3), 2x Level 2 Crossbows, and 2x Level 3 Crossbows (2x2, 2x3).

Note: I know listing the walls is a pain in the posterior. It's just ancillary information but would help if listed.
Note Note: Also list your war streak, if you won your match up, and what the final score was.
Note Note Note: If I missed anything, mods, feel free to add additional info.

TH

AQ

BK

GW

EA

IT

CB

CN

MT

WT

AT

AD

TC

BT

AS

Walls

Misc?

11

30

30

10

1

2x3

2x2,2x3

6x13

4x8

5x10

8x13

4x8

4x9

2x4

2x6

270x9,25x11

10

20

10

X

X

2x2

3x5

5x11

4x7

4x9

7x11

4x7

4x8

2x3

2x5

250x9, 20x10

10

26

26

X

X

1x2, 1x1

2x2,1x3

5x10

4x7

1x7,3x6

7x10

4x6

4x7

2x2

2x4

270x8

Key:
TH - Town Hall
AQ - Archer Queen
BK - Barb King
GW - Grand Warden
EA - Eagle Artillery
IT - Inferno Tower
CB - Crossbow
CN - Cannon
MT - Mortar
WT - Wizard Tower
AT - Archer Tower
AD - Air Defense
TC - Tesla Coil
BT - Bomb Tower (or Brian Transeau for EDM fans)
AS - Air Sweeper
Walls - Try to list how many of each level

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Whilst this includes Heroes, You you are still missing the point Darian.

With ALL of the above you are not counting Offence Troops..
In our latest war, it's a 40v40. We have 19 TH11s all at the top of our roster. They have 24 at the top of theirs, plus 2 others, located at slots 29 & 36. Their mirrors are TH10 & TH9.

The one at 29, has 34k, 45q, 20w, and several Max troops.

so we are down 7 th11s, that's 14 attacks with Max troops.

SC just need to weight the TH.

You penalise (loot penalty) TH11s in single play, yet in wars you don't penalise them at all. They have a huge advantage.

If you weight the TH, all the engineered clans will end up facing each other anyway, and any mis matches will be because they haven't built the defences..

[mcleo]

I will take some time to write down our last match, it was basically th10 maxers against heavy engineered th11, and we did not stand a chance at all. The system is still very broken at th10, th11 lvl

[MouthofSauron]

Looks like between maggoteaux, Tomville, and my recent matches, there is disturbing trend of clans being outmatched on defense and offense.

This is a problem. If one clan has offense advantage and the other defense advantage it's still a decent war. When a clan has to fight much tougher defenses with less troops, well it makes for a very challenging war. Depending on the scale of mis match, that is the scenario that makes for un-winnable wars.

Add my clan to that as well. We're getting outmatched in both offence and Defense. We just lost our 4th war in a row, and though the last 2 were lost on the tie breaker %, that doesn't mean they were even matches. In both wars, they had a big advantage in both offence and defence. I won't list the entire break down, but here is a sample:

2 wars ago: both teams had 9 Wardens. They had 5 max to our 4. However, overall levels of Wardens favoured them considerably @ 164 VS 119.

They also had 4 level 2 EA VS our 3, though we had 2 more Inferno Towers @ 12 VS 10. X-Bows were virtually identical. Also, their 10 Inferno Towers were all level 5, and we had 6 level 5 and 6 level 3 Inferno Towers. We lost on the tie breaker %.

War that just ended: we had 9 Wardens, they had 9 Wardens. However, they had 7 max level Wardens to our 4. On top of that, the overall levels of Wardens was 163 for them VS our same 119 again.

Eagles were even at 3 per side, they had 14 Inferno Towers to our 12. Max Inferno Towers were even at 6 VS, we had 6 additional level 3 Infernos whilst they had 2 level 4 and 6 level 3 Inferno Towers. The also had the advantage in overall X-Bows, with the max # down to 17 on their side while we had the max# down to 14 on our side, and they also had the advantage in levels of X-Bows -----> their #17 TH9 had 2 level 3 X-Bows, our #14 TH9 had 2 level 1 X-Bows. We again lost on the tie breaker %.

So were getting outmatched on both sides of the coin. And it keeps happening. Note that we haven't significantly changed anything in our clan, just normal progression of bases, since they started to 'fix' the MM algorithm 7 weeks ago.

I've been in my current clan for over 2 years. In that time, I don't think we've ever lost 4 in a row. Kudos SC. Your new MM algorithm is amazing.