Collecting Clan War matchups...for science...and stuff!

[WH7DX]

Yes i posted that under you. If it was for someone else I would have replied to comment.

like SC was saying. We need more data to have a better idea. i dont need all the troops or spells to get a decent Idea but we need the basics at a minimum.

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Won a difficult 10 person war. We were out numbered on top 5 and bottom 5

Them 3 Eagles... 11,11,11,10,9,8,8,8,8,7 the TH 10 had no infernos and probably cost them the war.

Us 1 Eagle.. 11,11,11,10,9,9,9,6,3,3 We had the bottom 3 unable to attack. They used 6 attacks to scout the top bases

So our 9s had to clear the bottom or we could have been short attacks. We had no problem

Them

109k Max heroes Eagle
108 37/36/20 Eagle
107 36/35/16 Eagle
72 31/30 Th 10 no infernos
68 17/15 Th 9
54 0/10 Th 8
53 0/10 Th 8
51 0/8 Th 8
45 0/8 Th 8
39 0 Th 7

Top Five 464 Weight / 383 Heroes
Bottom Five 242 Weight / 36 Heroes
Total 706/419 Heroes

Us

109k Max Eagle
95k Max No Eagle
91 40/34/14 No Eagle
86 30/30 th 10 2 lv 2 infernos lv 3 xbows
67 18/10 Th 9
67 12/12 Th 9
54 3/6 Th 9
22 0 Th 6
6 th 3
6 th 3

Top Five 448 Weight / 396 Heroes
Bottom Five 155 Weight / 33 Heroes
Total 603/429 Heroes

bottom line we got outmatched with 3-1 Eagles and had to out star/percentage to have a chance.

tough war we won 27-26 93%-90%

keep seeing more eagles on top with tough bases.

[SuperStorm103]

Yes i posted that under you. If it was for someone else I would have replied to comment.

like SC was saying. We need more data to have a better idea. i dont need all the troops or spells to get a decent Idea but we need the basics at a minimum.

I posted an example of my match break down earlier which includes an extreme amount of detail. Still waiting to hear from Darian what else he thinks he needs before I put in the effort of typing our details for a 30 vs 30. Besides, I think it was an even match. Warden levels were almost equal, we probably won in the hero department. I think overall they won defense and offense (sheer number of wardens and troop levels).

Had they actually been able to do something against our top bases other then....haste loons to pull cc, use heroes to kill cc, dump loons/hounds/warden/support with spells/get 1 star then rinse and repeat, it might have actually been a close war.

[Vikingchief]

I posted an example of my match break down earlier which includes an extreme amount of detail. Still waiting to hear from Darian what else he thinks he needs before I put in the effort of typing our details for a 30 vs 30. Besides, I think it was an even match. Warden levels were almost equal, we probably won in the hero department. I think overall they won defense and offense (sheer number of wardens and troop levels).

Had they actually been able to do something against our top bases other then....haste loons to pull cc, use heroes to kill cc, dump loons/hounds/warden/support with spells/get 1 star then rinse and repeat, it might have actually been a close war.

had to chuckle that you got called out for providing a lack of detail.

would be a bit like asking dorsan to provide some evidence to backup his arguments.

[iBork]

Based on the data Darian is asking, I'm willing to bet the weight of heroes is not on the offense side, it's on the defense side. This would explain the chaos. Heroes aren't defense units bud. You can't add defense weight to each hero level and expect good results. You need to rethink the path you have taken. It's not producing the desired results.

Rewrite the War Match algorithm already. You need to assign a default weight for a TH and stop pleasing "play styles". There is only one play style, play the game as it was intended. You have made wars unbearable and clans are losing people.

[SuperStorm103]

had to chuckle that you got called out for providing a lack of detail.

would be a bit like asking dorsan to provide some evidence to backup his arguments.

hahahahahaha

[SuperStorm103]

Based on the data Darian is asking, I'm willing to bet the weight of heroes is not on the offense side, it's on the defense side. This would explain the chaos. Heroes aren't defense units bud. You can't add defense weight to each hero level and expect good results. You need to rethink the path you have taken. It's not producing the desired results.

Rewrite the War Match algorithm already. You need to assign a default weight for a TH and stop pleasing "play styles". There is only one play style, play the game as it was intended. You have made wars unbearable and clans are losing people.

Darian is just the chain of communication. My clan is actually stronger then it was a month or so ago with some new additions. We are doing our first 30v in a long time. Have not lost anybody over the last few months, except the players that were effected by the hurricane. But that is just temporary.

[Tomville]

I will post full details later; we just got the worst mismatch I have seen so far. Pretty much our usual lineup, 9 th11 and a th10. Poor enemy clan has 8 th11 and 2 th9. Their bottom th11 has a lot of pretty purple and pink walls, and their bottom 9 has only a level 4 queen. Matched in under 15 minutes, but how is anyone’s guess. Nothing notably rushed or engineered either side, those glorious “wall breaker optional” walls excepted. One of the bigger th11s has me shaking my head... I didn’t know it was possible to somehow get a max warden and max defences but still own 22 wood walls.

Edit: here are the match details
our streak is zero, coming off a loss
Edit 2: result was 25-14. Poor enemy gave up, we 3 starred 3 of their th11 and of course the 9s.

TH

Q

K

W

EA

IT

XB

CN

M

WT

AT

AD

T

BT

AS

WALLS

US

11

45

45

20

2

2x5

4x5

7x15

4x10

5x10

8x15

4x9

4x9

2x5

2x6

75x12 225x11

11

45

45

20

2

2x5

4x5

7x15

4x10

5x10

8x15

4x9

4x9

2x5

2x6

75x12 225x11

11

45

45

20

2

2x5

4x5

7x15

4x10

5x10

8x15

4x9

4x9

2x5

2x6

75x12 225x11

11

45

45

20

2

2x5

4x5

7x15

4x10

5x10

8x15

4x9

4x9

2x5

2x6

75x12 225x11

11

45

45

20

2

2x5

4x5

7x15

4x10

5x10

8x15

4x9

4x9

2x5

2x6

282x11 18x10

11

45

45

20

2

2x5

4x5

7x15

4x10

5x10

8x15

4x9

4x9

2x5

2x6

1x12 21x11 268x10 10x9

11

45

45

20

2

2x5

4x5

5x13 1x11

4x10

5x10

8x15

4x9

4x9

2x5

2x6

295x11 5x10

11

45

40

20

1

2x4

3x4 1x2

6x13

4x7

4x9 1x7

7x13 1x12

4x8

4x8

2x2

2x6

9x12 291x11

11

45

40

20

1

2x4

3x4 1x2

6x13

4x7

4x9 1x7

7x13 1x12

4x8

4x8

2x2

2x6

7x12 293x11

10

25

23

X

X

2x3

3x4

5x13 1x11

4x8

4x9 1x7

7x13

4x8

4x8

2x4

2x6

85x10 190x9

THEM

11

45

45

20

2

2x5

4x5

7x15

4x10

5x10

8x15

4x9

4x9

2x5

2x6

75x12 225x11

11

45

45

20

2

2x5

4x5

7x15

4x10

5x10

8x15

4x9

4x9

2x5

2x6

175x10 125x9

11

45

38

20

2

2x5

4x5

7x15

4x10

5x10

8x15

4x9

4x9

2x5

2x6

100x11 200x10

11

45

39

20

2

2x5

4x5

7x15

4x10

5x10

8x15

4x9

4x9

2x5

2x6

243x10 22x9 28x8 7x7

11

43

40

20

2

2x5

4x5

7x15

4x10

5x10

8x15

4x9

4x9

2x5

2x6

1x12 30x11 247x10 22x1(yes really!)

11

40

45

20

2

2x5

4x5

7x15

4x10

5x10

8x15

4x9

4x9

2x5

2x6

206x10 72x9 22x7

11

45

39

18

2

2x5

4x5

7x15

4x10

5x10

8x15

4x9

4x9

2x5

2x6

72x10 228x9

11

40

30

9

2

2x4

4x5

2x14 4x13 1x12

4x9

4x8 1x6

7x13 1x12

4x8

4x8

2x3

2x6

53x9 137x8 86x7 24x6

9

21

20

X

X

X

2x3

5x11

4x7

4x7

6x11

4x7

4x7

1x3

2x5

75x10 175x9

9

4

10

X

X

X

1x3 1x1

4x11 1x10

4x7

2x7 2x6

4x11 2x10

2x7 2x6

2x7 2x6

1x2

2x4

10x9 229x8 11x7

[Rogerhastings]

The main point is being missed here: the loyal fans are being overlooked for the more casual and more whiney ones. The engineered base endures the constant loss of being raided to bring more clout to his/her clan for wars. This person has done this for months/years playing by the rules of the game and adjusting to the game as it grows.

Now there is a sudden and drastic change, undermining the work done over years to appease whiners who are sloppy and/or don't want to take the same losses at raiding to aid their clan in wars. SC is changing the game, and the argument can be made that every player needs to adjust to change. Except we don't have to. This isn't my job, and my family doesn't depend on my gameplay. I will keep playing, but much more leisurely. No more $ for sure. I doubt I'm alone. Learn to enjoy change, and try to enjoy decline SC.

[Hogan]

The main point is being missed here: the loyal fans are being overlooked for the more casual and more whiney ones. The engineered base endures the constant loss of being raided to bring more clout to his/her clan for wars. This person has done this for months/years playing by the rules of the game and adjusting to the game as it grows.

Now there is a sudden and drastic change, undermining the work done over years to appease whiners who are sloppy and/or don't want to take the same losses at raiding to aid their clan in wars. SC is changing the game, and the argument can be made that every player needs to adjust to change. Except we don't have to. This isn't my job, and my family doesn't depend on my gameplay. I will keep playing, but much more leisurely. No more $ for sure. I doubt I'm alone. Learn to enjoy change, and try to enjoy decline SC.

While this is rehashing the same pro vs anti engineering argument that will continue ad infinitum: engineered bases are aimed at one thing alone which is gaming the war matchmaker to gain an advantage before anyone has a chance to show either attacking skill, strategy or basebuilding ability. There is no logic to engineered accounts outside of this advantage. SC has always had the ability to change the matchmaker and they have just taken their usual overly long period to do so (see the time taken to remove of TH sniping, psychic octopus to deal with the rampant modding etc). This is part of the issue. Clans continually get beaten in unfair matches with engineers, SC appears to do nothing, more people engineer, hey presto the engineering problem becomes more significant and they end up tying themselves in loops to try and keep everyone happy. We as a non-engineered clan could not be less happy with out recent war matches.

To counter your point on fun and $, what about all the loyal supporters in the clans that I've been in who enjoy a challenging war with an even match? It isn't our job to play Clash either and we kept being told to adapt or quit! A significant number have already given up the game, given up participating in clan wars and given up spending any $ due to the scourge of unfair matches that we have faced against engineered clans.

Hogan

[Hogan]

Here is the latest example of the mismatches we have been facing.

Us (#9RC890QR) — Them (#88JQ8CJQ)

Rank / TH / Heroes (BK/AQ/GW) / Eagle / Infernos / Def Loot / Def Wt / Comment
#1 TH11 / 45,45,20 / 2 / 5,5 / 21800 / 109 — TH11 / 45,45,20 / 2 / 5,5 / 21800 / 109
#2 TH11 / 45,45,20 / 2 / 5,5 / 21800 / 109 — TH11 / 45,45,20 / 2 / 5,5 / 21800 / 109
#3 TH11 / 45,45,20 / 2 / 5,5 / 21600 / 108 — TH11 / 45,45,20 / 2 / 5,5 / 21800 / 109
#4 TH11 / 40,45,18 / 1 / 3,3 / 21000 / 105 — TH11 / 45,45,20 / 2 / 5,5 / 21600 / 108
#5 TH11 / 31,40,13 / 2 / 4,4 / 21000 / 105 — TH11 / 45,45,20 / 2 / 5,5 / 21600 / 108
#6 TH10 / 40,40, - / - / 3,3 / 17800 / 89 — TH11 (10.5) / 45,45,20 / - / 5,5 / 18800 / 94
#7 TH10 / 40,40, - / - / 3,3 / 17800 / 89 — TH11 (10.5) / 45,45,19 / - / 4,4 / 18600 / 93
#8 TH10 / 33,32, - / - / 3,3 / 17800 / 89 — TH11 (10.5) / 41,45,18 / - / 4,4 / 18600 / 93
#9 TH10 / 31,35, - / - / 2,2 / 17400 / 87 — TH11 (10.5) / 45,45,20 / - / 3,3 / 18200 / 91
#10 TH10 / 29,30, - / - / 2,2 / 17400 / 87 — TH11 (10.5) / 35,45,20 / - / -,- / 16000 / 80
#11 TH10 / 30,35, - / - / 2,2 / 17200 / 86 — TH10 (9.5) / 40,40, - / - / -,- / 15400 / 77
#12 TH10 / 31,35, - / - / 2,1 / 17000 / 85 — TH10 (9.5) / 30,31, - / - / -,- / 14600 / 73
#13 TH10 / 30,34, - / - / 1,1 / 16800 / 84 — TH10 (9.5) / 30,33, - / - / -,- / 14600 / 73
#14 TH10 / 30,39, - / - / 2,1 / 16800 / 84 — TH10 (9.5) / 28,30, - / - / -,- / 14600 / 73
#15 TH10 / 20,22, - / - / 2,1 / 16600 / 83 — TH10 (9.5) / 35,40, - / - / -,- / 14600 / 73
#16 TH9 / 30,30, - / - / -,- / 14000 / 70 — TH10 (9.5) / 22,27, - / - / -,- / 14000 / 70
#17 TH9 / 7,7, - / - / -,- / 14000 / 70 — TH9 / 14,16, - / - / -,- / 13400 / 67
#18 TH9 / 10,5, - / - / -,- / 14000 / 70 — TH10 (9.5) / 15,15, - / - / -,- / 11800 / 59
#19 TH9 (8.5) / 10,8, - / - / -,- / 14000 / 70 — TH8 / 10,-, - / - / -,- / 12750 / 64
#20 TH8 / 10,-, - / - / -,- / 13750 / 69 — TH11 (11.?) / 13,12,6 / - / -,- / 8200 / 41

More detail on their .5 bases including some relevant troop levels to show offence strength (i.e. not rushed):
#6 TH11 (10.5) — No Eagle, 4 x-bows (5,5,4,4), max bowler, witch, valk
#7 TH11 (10.5) — No Eagle, 3 x-bows (5,4,4), max bowler, witch, valk, lava
#8 TH11 (10.5) — No Eagle, 3 x-bows (4,4,4), max bowler, witch, valk, loon
#9 TH11 (10.5) — No Eagle, 3 x-bows (4,4,4), max bowler, witch, valk, lava, loon
#10 TH11 (10.5) — No Eagle, No infernos, 4 x-bows (5,4,4,4), max bowler, witch, valk, lava, loon
#11 TH10 (9.5) — No infernos, 3 x-bows (4,4,4), max valk, lv6 loon, lv3 lava, lv2 bowler, lv2 witch
#12 TH10 (9.5) — No infernos, 3 x-bows (4,3,3), max valk, lv6 loon, lv3 lava, lv2 bowler, lv2 witch
#13 TH10 (9.5) — No infernos, 3 x-bows (4,4,3), max valk, lv6 loon, lv2 lava, lv2 bowler, lv2 witch
#14 TH10 (9.5) — No infernos, 3 x-bows (4,4,3), max valk, lv6 loon, lv3 lava, lv2 bowler, lv2 witch
#15 TH10 (9.5) — No infernos, 2 x-bows (3,3), max valk, lv6 loon, lv3 lava, lv2 bowler, lv2 witch
#16 TH10 (9.5) — No infernos, 2 x-bows (3,3), max valk, lv6 loon, lv3 lava, lv2 bowler, lv2 witch


#18 — TH10 (9.5) — No infernos, No x-bows, lv4 valk, lv6 loon, lv1 lava, lv1 witch

#20 TH11 (11.?) — Basically defenceless (2 cannons, 1 AT), lv6 drag

Notes:
No engineered bases on our side. We have also encouraged all .5s to drop new defences (our #19 is a new TH9 with no x-bows and is the only one remaining in this roster) and this certainly hasn't helped the matchups.

This one of the worst match-ups we have faced so far although we have seen a lot more severely engineered (lopsided) bases in other opposing rosters. They have 10 TH11 attacks to our 5 (all on both sides with strong heroes and troops) and their 5 extra TH10.5s with near max GWs (#6-#10) will likely kill all our 10s with relative ease. No way their 5x 9.5 bases (5 fewer infernos) make up for this difference.

Every change to the matchmaking has resulted in even worse matches and we have a very vanilla roster. I can only agree with the previous posters who suggested a minimum defensive weighting for each TH level. It can easily be set at a slight discount to the maximum weight of the TH below to allow for selective rushing. This is a penalty to those that are super rushed, but so what? There is a penalty for this in farming so why not in wars? I also agree that the offensive weighting doesn't seem to be counting the GW relative to its strength in attacks.

Hogan