Taking a Knee to the New War Match Making Atrocity

[WH7DX]

Thats what I think is happening. Perpahs SC decided to lesson the weight of eagle and some other items to get people moving on their upgrades lol.

[WH7DX]

The way I see it, SC think those Th11's should have eagles so they are being weighted regardless. We've added quite a few infernos to our Th10's and its not like were seeing more Th10's than we used to, it's just now the matchups are more even.

I do think there must be loads of .5s available to match, so is SC purposely matching .5's with full bases regardless to get people building defences again?

i dont think a 91 and 92k weight out of Max 109 should be looked at as needing an eagle yet? Still got 50+ upgrades left lol

that logic would throw everything off if they did it.

[Tomville]

i dont think a 91 and 92k weight out of Max 109 should be looked at as needing an eagle yet? Still got 50+ upgrades left lol

that logic would throw everything off if they did it.

You may not be looking at it the same way as Supercell. You are comparing defence weight now to what it could be with that added, and defence levels now vs an idea of “time to get an eagle after x progression point”. They may well - as many player might - instead think of it in terms of keeping up with offence progression. One might reasonably think that having max heros and a max war army comp meant it wasn’t just eagle time, but max eagle and max inferno time.

[WH7DX]

Based on the lack of time, number of complaints and general disappointment, with even SC saying they need to make changes.... I think you might be over thinking it. They did ask for everyone to create a huge chart showing all defense and offense to compare lol

My lower TH 11 is only a 91k weight with 50+ upgrades left and heroes of 40-34-14 with plenty of troops to upgrade so I cant see them saying... youre close enough... you get 10k more weight in matchups. But who knows lol

[Tomville]

Based on the lack of time, number of complaints and general disappointment, with even SC saying they need to make changes.... I think you might be over thinking it. They did ask for everyone to create a huge chart showing all defense and offense to compare lol

My lower TH 11 is only a 91k weight with 50+ upgrades left and heroes of 40-34-14 with plenty of troops to upgrade so I cant see them saying... youre close enough... you get 10k more weight in matchups. But who knows lol

I am not sure I agree there, and I suspect you are the one overthinking it, or at least thinking it in a way very focused on war weight management that may well not align with how SC thinks or how quite a few players think. Pretend for a minute there was no war, or there was war but no system of weights anything like now... how many people do you honestly think would be at th11 long enough to max the warden and add another 5 levels on each other hero yet somehow mysteriously not have yet got around to dropping one of the strongest defences unlocked when they first upgraded the town hall building? I’m not saying that they mean anyone to play in some “proper” way, but rather that it would be a hard to explain decision in the absence of any war weight management plan for gaming the matchmaking system.

In terms of 10s matching 11s, no matter engineered or not, that’s something a lot of people are seeing rather than something happening to engineers in particular. It seems to me more explicable and in fact less of a severe problem (but nonetheless still a problem) when it’s 10.5s rather than 10s as at least they have the right sized offence for successfully 2 starring a max 11 routinely.

[StormHeart]

There is an easy and obvious fix and the only one that will ever work. Been stated too many times to mention it again.

It's still badly broken BUT there have been improvements made.

Sorry about your luck. However, as many have pointed out before, there is no easy fix (at least not one that will satisfy all people), which is why it hasn't been implented yet. I do hope that SC continues to work to improve it though.

[21Kentucky]

I agree with the OP. Everyone keeps saying that his three 10.5’s should add eagles but with the way MM has been all that will likely do is draw in a clan with 6 th11’s with eagles instead of the 4 he’s facing now.

Also, you guys say that adding an eagle is now the smart way to go. That may be true. But what happens if the OP gives in an adds that eagle because his clan is screwed every match and then SC makes changes a few months down the road that goes back more towards favoring those without an eagle? At that point the OP is screwed and has ruined his account and has hurt his clan again in war. Before anyone says “oh SC wouldn’t do that”, stop and think about decisions they’ve made. Trying to predict what they will do is impossible because they usually don’t use common sense when making changes. They’re all over the map with how they’ve done MM since wars started. To maxers it’s not big deal to add an eagle but to the players that don’t play that way, they’re in a bad spot. Once they add that eagle they’re stuck with it and there’s no telling what sc will do to MM next.

[TheGame1]

i dont think a 91 and 92k weight out of Max 109 should be looked at as needing an eagle yet? Still got 50+ upgrades left lol

that logic would throw everything off if they did it.

Again this only my opinion but may be SC don't want people worrying about weights on whats left, maybe they want players to drop the game changing defences first, not last?

I agree with the OP. Everyone keeps saying that his three 10.5’s should add eagles but with the way MM has been all that will likely do is draw in a clan with 6 th11’s with eagles instead of the 4 he’s facing now.

Also, you guys say that adding an eagle is now the smart way to go. That may be true. But what happens if the OP gives in an adds that eagle because his clan is screwed every match and then SC makes changes a few months down the road that goes back more towards favoring those without an eagle? At that point the OP is screwed and has ruined his account and has hurt his clan again in war. Before anyone says “oh SC wouldn’t do that”, stop and think about decisions they’ve made. Trying to predict what they will do is impossible because they usually don’t use common sense when making changes. They’re all over the map with how they’ve done MM since wars started. To maxers it’s not big deal to add an eagle but to the players that don’t play that way, they’re in a bad spot. Once they add that eagle they’re stuck with it and there’s no telling what sc will do to MM next.

SC has been very slow in trying to fix this, but they are not going to try and fix engineering and as soon as they have done, undo all their hardwork. Upgrading .5s to full bases does not attract even more bases of that level, it doesn't even make sense, all that happens is the balance between offence and defence is closer, believe me we've done it. Match ups won't be perfect though, SC still needs to figure out how a clan of th10's wont pull a TH11, or if we war with 'x' amounts of town hall 11's, we only match that 'x' amount ourselves, hopefully they sort that soon...

[shielded]

Love the title of this thread lol!!! The Match making improvement thread says all u need to know about how the community feels about the match ups, engineer bases , weight etc. But in a nut shell if your team upgrades in a way that makes out your town hall ( Men Of STandard) we upgrade that way. Then in most match ups your gonna be seriously out gunned! Advantage engineer. And in short this should not be. Great thread name lol!!!

[WH7DX]

Love the title of this thread lol!!! The Match making improvement thread says all u need to know about how the community feels about the match ups, engineer bases , weight etc. But in a nut shell if your team upgrades in a way that makes out your town hall ( Men Of STandard) we upgrade that way. Then in most match ups your gonna be seriously out gunned! Advantage engineer. And in short this should not be. Great thread name lol!!!

yah I thought that was funny. Colin Blow said hed stand up for the anthem if he found a team now lol