War MM & Cannon Cart changes - the FEEDBACK thread!

[jaclynt]

Our most recent 20/20 match was terrible.

They had:

• 1 TH11, max several war troops, warden with ability, 20 something king and queen, no eagle, level 3 infernos, 4 bows, several level 14 point defense
• 1 TH11, max several war troops, warden with ability, pathetic king and queen, no eagle, level 2 infernos, 4 bows, rushed other defenses of varying levels
• 1 TH10, max air war troops, pathetic heroes, infernos
• 2 other inferno-less TH10s with upgraded camps, spells, and lavas
• The rest TH9 with pathetic heroes and under (lowest TH5)

We had:

• 1 TH10 with 40/37 heroes, level 2 infernos, 1 level upgraded defenses, level 4 bows (basically middle of the way through my defenses)
• 1 TH10 with 20 heroes, upgraded troops, no infernos, some upgraded 1 level TH10 defenses
• The rest TH9 with much better heroes and under (lowest TH6)

No, we are not the picture perfect lineup, however, in this blog about this matchmaking update, you state:

We wanted to make sure that your strategies are not invalidated; just more evenly matched against others who share your play style. Our improved algorithm is an evolutionary step in making sure Clans will be matched more frequently against opponents of equivalent difficulty.

1. In no way does this clan match our play style. They have low heroes, ridiculous spam attacks using the same thing every attack, not well thought out bases.
2. 2 TH11s and 3 TH10s versus 2 TH10s is NOT equivalent difficulty. They had a huge advantage both offensively and defensively.

The kicker? We won by a star.

This was an absolutely miserable war. Zero fun. Stressful for me (I'm leader and both of the TH10s). Furthermore, these guys waited until the very last hour to attack.

They blew it. How they managed it is an absolutely amazing fail of epic proportions, but they did. One of their TH11s failed on a TH9.

We won. But it sucked. Our win streak has extended to 18, so maybe I shouldn't complain. But I don't feel like just because we keep managing to win despite the odds (really, it's that the other clan loses) that we should continually be subjected to crappy matches. I'm currently opted out and not sure I'll war next weekend because if we pull this again, or worse (it keeps getting worse!), it's not going to be fun and why play something that isn't fun.

[mbear78]

After a number of terrible matches in a row, we dropped any base that even sniffed of 'engineered' and our first spin was a great even match.

Not sure if that is just a one time result or if that is a sign of what is to come. If it is, I am cool with that. We will just pull any eng bases out of war. 👍🏻

My guess is that it was just a one time fluke. 😒

I take this back. Our very next spin, with the very same non-engineered line up... they have 3 TH11's to our 0!... that's right... 6 GW attacks to 0.

I have some choice words for SC, but I can't use them here on this forum.

After Builders Base release, I just about quit, but this forum (and Darian) had promised that SC was working on the problem and a solution was coming... what a joke. What a waste of my time.

I do feel stupid, because after all this time, I actually believed that they were taking the problem seriously and they were going to address it.... well, I guess shame on me for falling for it.

There were only two reasons for me to keep playing.... my clan relationships and war...and now it looks like war MM really was never going to be fixed and SC just lied to us to keep us around.

[Vook]

Ok so here's my detailed review on what's going on with our wars.

This is how my clan looks:
https://ibb.co/e18tzF

This is how the oponent looks:
https://ibb.co/hagrmv

As you can see, our highest is a th9, while they have a TH11

That TH11 looks like this:
https://ibb.co/cNNxRv


While oponet's number 2 is like this:
https://ibb.co/hH78Ya

Obviously that kind of move makes them have a similar weight to us, while having a clear advantage with their troops.
They can 3 Star us easily while we won't be able to take down their highest, since he has defenses +2 levels than our troops

This seems to be working perfectly for them, since their warlog shows 100% in most of their wars...

Please fix this! We started to get this kind of matches when the new algorythm came

Edit: I just noticed thei number 6 is an engineered TH9...
We have no engineered villages...

[JSpur5]

I take this back. Our very next spin, with the very same non-engineered line up... they have 3 TH11's to our 0!... that's right... 6 GW attacks to 0.

I have some choice words for SC, but I can't use them here on this forum.

After Builders Base release, I just about quit, but this forum (and Darian) had promised that SC was working on the problem and a solution was coming... what a joke. What a waste of my time.

I do feel stupid, because after all this time, I actually believed that they were taking the problem seriously and they were going to address it.... well, I guess shame on me for falling for it.

There were only two reasons for me to keep playing.... my clan relationships and war...and now it looks like war MM really was never going to be fixed and SC just lied to us to keep us around.

Just trying to gather some info here. I want to see this system work out as the next person. When you say "non engineered", did everyone in your lineup have all defenses from every town hall up to and including their current town hall?

[JSpur5]

Just trying to gather some info here. I want to see this system work out as the next person. When you say "non engineered", did everyone in your lineup have all defenses from every town hall up to and including their current town hall?

You have a th7 between your 2 8s. What does your th8 not have defensively that puts him below a th7?

[GrandCthulhu]

Well, here's the state of the game : broken android UI for tablets, useless gifts and gimmicks for the 5th anniversary (but the builder leaving was fun), a costly useless statue, and war MM is WORSE than ever.
But I guess they made tons of money with their statue so everything is fine. I'm just leaving like the builder. If they make a statue of me, it'll be a pigeon for buying all those gems 😄

[Hornswoggle]

Hi,
I have a question about the new MM system:
My clan has a lot of bases, that don't have dropped all the defences for their th level. For example we have Th10s with max defences, that didnt drop the thrid X-Bow and ITs. Are these bases rated as engineered in the current MM system? I think so, because we were matched against a completely (hardcore) engineered clan in our current war.

Thanks for replies!

[TheBigK]

We have a 10 war winning streak as non engeneered clan (only one 9.5) and we match now the 3rd time in a row vs engeneerers.

Last war won on % cause they had a dip fail on our 9s with lvl3 miners and max heals... and second last they had an engeneered 11 to spam baloons on us.

This war we have 2 engeneered 11s. One with lvl6 dragons...
I think we get mismatched just because of our streak. I have no problems in losing on a fair fight. But doing constant uphill battles is NO FUN.

I dont see any reason to keep engeneerers happy. Match them with real bases and they will not put those bases in or start lvling to a real base. The point of engeneering is ♥♥♥♥ing with the search algorithm and SC doesnt understand it seems.

Cheers

[JSpur5]

Hi,
I have a question about the new MM system:
My clan has a lot of bases, that don't have dropped all the defences for their th level. For example we have Th10s with max defences, that didnt drop the thrid X-Bow and ITs. Are these bases rated as engineered in the current MM system? I think so, because we were matched against a completely (hardcore) engineered clan in our current war.

Thanks for replies!

If y'all think about it, by not putting down an available defense, it's an attempt to defeat the system by having a lower war weight to gain an advantage.

I have now run 2 wars with all bases having the defenses for their current town hall and the previous town halls and have found the wars to be a fair and winnable challenge while the previous 3 weren't fair because I was running some .5s and a couple minmax.

From my observations, if you want a more fair match, dump the .5s and anything that can be construed as engineered or trying to gain an advantage.

[theSpacedGod]

We normally run 10 v 10 and always come across 3-4 engineered bases that take the fun out of war.. 30-30 ties all day long...