War MM & Cannon Cart changes - the FEEDBACK thread!

[Rst]

The more I read up and look at things, I think there's a pretty simple answer to why some of us "non-engineered" clans are being matched up with engineers still: the new algorithm considers .5 bases the same as engineers - i.e. offense more powerful than defense. So, while I might see a HUGE difference between a 9.5 that has upgraded some troops but not dropped infernos and a TH11 with a Warden but lvl 8 defenses, the algorithm considers them the same for offensive/defensive balance, and probably considers the TH9.5 as lower total weight when adding up/comparing for the entire clan's weight. I'll be testing this out by running a war with zero .5s in it to see how we match up.

If this is the case, it substantially changes the mentality for upgrading priorities when hitting a new TH level. I won't posit whether that's a good thing or a bad thing, but it would have been nice to know it was coming with this level of detail.

Youre not a non-engineered clan if you have .5s, it's as simple as that.

The only reason people concentrate on offence and don't drop xbows, infernos or the eagle is for a war advantage - the ideology of an engineer which SC is addressing quite effectively judging by a lot of the posts from engineers in denial.

[LordEric]

Horrible, just plain horrible. You lie and say you want to match "engineered clans vs other engineered clans" but all you're doing is making war matches deplorable in favor of the people battling the engineered clans. We aren't engineered, we just understand war weight. There is 0 excuse to have this type of handicap... Shame on you Supercell...

Just in the top 3. Them: 3 max eagles, 4 lvl 5 infernos and 2 lvl 3 infernos. US: 0 eagles, 2 lvl 2 infernos, 2 lvl 3 infernos and 0 infernos.

That weight difference is the same as them having an extra base in their top 3. Overall they out weighed us by 12 infernos and 16 Xbows. We had 4 total infernos vs their 18 and we had 10 Xbows to their 26.

[STRIKER44]

Horrible first match. Our 1 th11 no EA, maxing other defense almost max heros Vs 5 other th 11s all with maxed war troops. Their top 2 th 11 have heros over 40. Joke of a match. If you want to classify me as an engineered base by not dropping my EA and call that a .5 fine. But how is it a good match if they have 5 bases with maxed troops vs our 1?

[Dibbs12345]

Well, because .5 are engineers no matter if they are heavily engineered or not. .5 was the absolute beginning of engineering. How much more detail did you need? They said specifically the the new MM algorithm is an attempt to address engineering.

People need to be able to upgrade their TH. Untill maxed out no base will ever be completely balanced. All those upgrading can't be considered engineered. SC got themselves into a pickle by making a big thing out of something they had already been implementing over a series of previous updates & not by clarifying what "engineering" is. Even in CWL which trys to be as clean as possible, engineering (of sorts) at TH10 is encouraged. This whole thing is getting way out of hand, it's becoming a witch hunt without anyone fully knowing what the witch is.

[xc3ss1v30n3]

So, now engineers are using the excuse of "we understand war weight." You can sugarcoat it all you want, you're still engineering.

[Rst]

Horrible, just plain horrible. You lie and say you want to match "engineered clans vs other engineered clans" but all you're doing is making war matches deplorable in favor of the people battling the engineered clans. We aren't engineered, we just understand war weight. There is 0 excuse to have this type of handicap... Shame on you Supercell...

Just in the top 3. Them: 3 max eagles, 4 lvl 5 infernos and 2 lvl 3 infernos. US: 0 eagles, 2 lvl 2 infernos, 2 lvl 3 infernos and 0 infernos.

That weight difference is the same as them having an extra base in their top 3. Overall they out weighed us by 12 infernos and 16 Xbows. We had 4 total infernos vs their 18 and we had 10 Xbows to their 26.

Sounds like the MM is working as intended - the tide has turned in favour of the non-engineered. Maybe you will know how it feels to waste 47 hours of your life in an unfair war

[TheWarDictator]

I'm going to post it here to keep track of the new matchups after the matchmaker.

15 v 15

US (386W-112L-2D)
1: TH 11, 45 BK, 45 AQ, 20 GW, 109K
2: TH 11, 45 BK, 45 AQ, 20 GW, 109K
3: TH 10.5, 38 BK, 41 AQ, 16 GW, 92K
4: TH 10.5, 45 BK, 45 AQ, 20 GW, 91K
5: TH 10.5, 44 BK, 45 AQ, 20 GW, 91K
6: TH 9.5, 23 BK, 24 AQ, 71K
7: TH 9, 30 BK, 30 AQ, 70K
8: Eng 11, 45 BK, 45 AQ, 20 GW, 60K
9: TH 8.5, 10 BK, 12 AQ, 60K
10: Eng 10, 17 BK, 20 AQ, 58K
11: TH 8, 10 BK, 55K
12: Eng 9, 10 BK, 10 AQ, 40K
13: TH 8, 9 BK, 40K
14: TH 6, 21K
15: Defenseless 9, 6 BK, 5 AQ, 10K

THEM (210W-69L-3D)
1: TH 11, 45 BK, 45 AQ, 20 GW, 109K
2: TH 11, 45 BK, 45 AQ, 20 GW, 109K
3: TH 11, 33 BK, 45 AQ, 20 GW, 108K
4: TH 11, 40 BK, 45 AQ, 16 GW, 107K
5: TH 9.5, 22 BK, 23 AQ, 71K
6: Eng 11, 13 BK, 13 AQ, 5 GW, 68K
7: TH 9.5, 21 BK, 21 AQ, 67K
8: TH 9, 14 BK, 15 AQ, 67K
9: TH 9, 25 BK, 27 AQ, 64K
10: TH 9, 11 BK, 13 AQ, 63K
11: TH 8.5, 10 BK, 6 AQ, 57K
12: TH 8, 6 BK, 46K
13: Eng 9: 3 BK, 44K
14: TH 7, 1 BK, 33K
15: Defenseless 9, 1 BK, 21K

We have better offense and they have better defense.

[Drkhossain]

Good work SC.people complaining becoz they are not used to it.They need time like one month.90%clan have atleast one engineer base in war.They dont metion it in forum.They just lost it when they see engineer will not work anymore(15 no base destroying enemy no 1 base).yes there are some fair clan who got match with engineer clan.Please people give time..this gonna be good.I am in a clan where 15vs15 war happening.leader of my clan is idiot.He has two engineer base one townhall 11 with minimum defense but high level drag other townhall 10 with same.we have got match up against exact same clan.I am very happy.May be we will lose but I am happy to see that Fair play policy is getting implemented.Nobody should have advantage over another.

[NightsWatchMB]

So, now engineers are using the excuse of "we understand war weight." You can sugarcoat it all you want, you're still engineering.

^^^ This, 10x this. 'We understand war weight' is just another way of saying 'we are trying to game the MM system' - As long as you do this, you deserve whatever is handed to you.

[Jrod55426]

No change observed with the matchmaking in my first war post update.

Still looks like an exploitable half-assed algorithm and a pay-to-win-wars-now game. Love being outmatched with 3 times as many TH11s with max offenses as us every time we start a war win streak. The only way to beat them is to join them and engineer yourself.

There's little integrity, dependability, or legitimacy in the matchmaking. Wins and losses mostly now depend on who engineered the greatest advantage.

Matchmaking needs to ensure each side has the same number of town halls, particularly at the top. It is the clan and the players' responsibilities to develop their bases to assure they are assets and not liabilities to their war lineup. Matches will never be even otherwise.