War MM & Cannon Cart changes - the FEEDBACK thread!

[OnyxDS]

I've tried to keep up with this thread, but it is just too large now, is there a definitive guide how to avoid becoming a x.5, and has SCC given any feedback to this thread or the changes they implemented last update.

No, because there is no consistent trend being reported. There are people saying they got good matches as soon as they removed every x.5 from their clan. But there are also those saying they have x.5s and get good matches, or removed defenceless leaving nothing worse than x.5s and then got good matches. There are also people with nothing even resembling x.5s saying they get bad matches - either against engineers or maxers. So no-one really knows.

so whilst the change may be having an effect on minor engineered clans like ours, it is still being very beneficial if not more so to serious engineered clans as they are coming up against much easier opponents. our wars used to be much fairer prior the update, we only ever got matched to similar engineered clans to ours, I don't remember the last time we were matched against a clan that never had some kind of engineering but now they are much more stronger than us.

Quite. SC seem to have done little, if anything, to remove the advantage of engineered clans over non-engineered clans. There does seem to a stronger tendency for engineered to match engineered, but not always. And if you end up in the wrong position you still get beaten up by engineers.

[NightsWatchMB]

I've tried to keep up with this thread, but it is just too large now, is there a definitive guide how to avoid becoming a x.5, and has SCC given any feedback to this thread or the changes they implemented last update.

We do have some x.5's and other types of engineered bases (created in response to the clans we faced), which are generally 2nd accounts, I'm loathe to make any kind of change until I know something has been done to correct the current problem. I have noticed a massive increase in the lopsidedness of match making now, we tend to get much tougher engineered clans that are TH11 heavy, so whilst the change may be having an effect on minor engineered clans like ours, it is still being very beneficial if not more so to serious engineered clans as they are coming up against much easier opponents. our wars used to be much fairer prior the update, we only ever got matched to similar engineered clans to ours, I don't remember the last time we were matched against a clan that never had some kind of engineering but now they are much more stronger than us. I guess I need to try and figure out who in my clan is engineered, who is a x.5 and try to fix it....

Before I do this though I'd like to know if it is worth it,

Nobody can tell you for certain (other than SC and they are not talking ) I suggest you try a few wars where you drop all your 0.5s and engineered bases and see if you get fairer matchups. We have and it appears to work for us.

I can't see the MM changing dramatically from what it is now, so if you see an improvement then ask your clan members to drop a few defenses.

[NeoGen]

Simply put, when you upgrade to a new TH level, drop the new defenses. Otherwise, you're a .5.

We used to do this before, then you end up with TH9's who have level 1 X-Bows but maxed troops matched against new TH9's with TH8 troops. there needs to be a more balanced way of calculating war weight. Most of the engineered clans we have, have maxed air defence to their level and maxed tramps etc., so I'd say that there needs to be a more balanced way of distributing the war weight across the offence and defence. But i personally would not like the job of trying to do this.

[NightsWatchMB]

We used to do this before, then you end up with TH9's who have level 1 X-Bows but maxed troops matched against new TH9's with TH8 troops. there needs to be a more balanced way of calculating war weight. Most of the engineered clans we have, have maxed air defence to their level and maxed tramps etc., so I'd say that there needs to be a more balanced way of distributing the war weight across the offence and defence. But i personally would not like the job of trying to do this.

Personally I'd take that over a defenseless TH11 with max troops!

[NeoGen]

Quite. SC seem to have done little, if anything, to remove the advantage of engineered clans over non-engineered clans. There does seem to a stronger tendency for engineered to match engineered, but not always. And if you end up in the wrong position you still get beaten up by engineers.

Yes, this is what I've noticed, I don't think the changes are going to solve the problem, because hardcore engineered clans will still find easy prey. C'est la vie.

Nobody can tell you for certain (other than SC and they are not talking ) I suggest you try a few wars where you drop all your 0.5s and engineered bases and see if you get fairer matchups. We have and it appears to work for us.

I can't see the MM changing dramatically from what it is now, so if you see an improvement then ask your clan members to drop a few defenses.

Yes, I'll give this a go, will put together a war with no x.5's or any kind of engineering and see how that pans out, I will post and update see if it is useful or not.

[JSpur5]

I have done 5 wars now without any new town halls, .5s or anything that looks engineered and all 5 have been fair. HECK, the last war search only took 3 minutes!!!

The system is working and we are enjoying clan wars once again. #PLRYU20U

[NeoGen]

I have done 5 wars now without any new town halls, .5s or anything that looks engineered and all 5 have been fair. HECK, the last war search only took 3 minutes!!!

The system is working and we are enjoying clan wars once again. #PLRYU20U

That sounds promising ;-)

[KemalistAlper]

Could you please comment how clan war matchmaking revised since the update in respect of .5 villages. As far as I hava noticed number of .5 villages are equal in each clan however their level might be different. I mean if there is 9.5 villages in your clan there might be 9.5 or 10.5 village in the opponent clan. I would ilke to ask whether my observation is correct or not

[southmunroe4827]

I have done 5 wars now without any new town halls, .5s or anything that looks engineered and all 5 have been fair. HECK, the last war search only took 3 minutes!!!

The system is working and we are enjoying clan wars once again. #PLRYU20U

Seems like any time I see someone post anything positive it is incredibly vague, with little to no details. Posting specific details of the war layouts helps people gather further information and try to decipher what they should or shouldn't be doing to try to spin fair matchups. Any data based feedback helps, good or bad.

[DevilsFan1973]

Here's our recent breakdowns (We are all maxers, no engineered bases), starting at the top with current war (us vs them):


13/8/9 vs 16/10/2/2
14/8/8 vs 21/4/2/3
10/7/8 vs 12/10/1/2
13/6/11 vs 11/9/10
7/5/8 vs 9/5/6
11/7/12 vs 13/3/14
12/8/10 vs 12/8/10
12/6/12 vs 12/7/11

The oldest wars which were right after the MM "improvements" were better than they have been the last 2 or 3 (which had lower town halls such as 7's, 6's, 3's)