Engineering...after all my research... supercell is telling me ...

[RacerRandy]

You should be winning all wars! No one looks at these websites? Are you........ Or just Dumb! you should be beat! LOL It's a game after all!

[RacerRandy]

Guess you have the I phone 10?

[RacerRandy]

You kinda sux at phone games?

[Skrags]

If we are trying to advocate what's best for the larger population, and we value their fun, has anyone even bothered to work out what they deem fun yet? Does the larger population actually derive fun from hitting their own level and failing repeatedly, or do they like the continuation of farming practices of hitting weaker bases for more guaranteed success?

Do the greater population like spending time planning their war attacks or are they too busy doing real life stuff and just log and spam a pre-cooked army and hope to god it doesn't fail?

Essentially I see a bunch of hardcore players in casual clothing trying to project their version of what constitutes fun and saying this is what casuals consider fun and that the game will be wrecked if it isn't fixed, whilst ignoring the fact that those same people are the ones that reject players from lower levels from playing with them.

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As someone who continually promotes the casual volume market (in all its guises) , I have to admit that this applies to me to some extent, and yet I won't accept TH8's or below in my clan anymore.
What I would say, is that many of my opinions are not solely based upon my own clashing experience, within my nearly 5 year old clan, but based upon the feedback from other players, and their experiences.
The game needs new players, and needs to allow the casual player to progress. Without this, the game will stagnate.

If I could like this post ten times I would. Coming from a friend and family clan that is composed mostly of folks who are working adults and have only one account I can tell "you" that what is making casuals quit isn't because they are sick of facing engineered accounts in war.

The primary reason for quitting is the god awful long grind once you get past TH8. Most have lots of fun prior to that point and then give up.

The next most reason for quitting is that war after TH8 is simply too hard for them. I am the war leader and I have people tell me that they want to hit weaker bases. The TH9 folks who are hitting their own level and failing repeatedly have either permanently opted out of war or have rage quitted the game completely.

I doubt many would disagree with you. There is a library of historic references on the forum discussing exactly this. The grind at TH9 in particular is very tough (50 Hero levels!!), and is the most important TH level within the game, again for the reasons you rightly state.
My own clan has lots of working adults too, many with families. I doubt any member of my clan has ever hit their PBT.
That being said, most of them enjoy going to war every now and again, for themselves as individuals, and also as part of a team.
I remember when I was a TH7, and we used to war once a week on Saturday, I used to start getting excited by Thursday about the upcoming weekend war. Win or lose, it was a lot of fun.
I always think of those days, when I've had to ask my current TH8's/or low 9's to clean up the 4 TH3's, or the 3 Defenceless TH11's sitting at the bottom of our opponents roster......hmmmmm.


Regardless, you are right about the primary quitting reasons, but engineering could be just another nail in the coffin!

[SystematicChaos]

You forget the largest population is neither maxed nor engineered. However maxers seem to claim if your not maxed youre engineered.

And I told you what the largest population wants. You are either trolling, or lack the basic intelligence required to understand what I said. Stop repeating the same line. I mentioned what I consider engineering.

[samratulangi]

I told you what the largest population wants. You are either trolling, or lack the basic intelligence required to understand what I said. Stop repeating the same line. I mentioned what I consider engineering.

How can u know what is largest population wants? Are u working for SC now? even SC employee may only know partially from data, but not the motives of the players

[ryryshouse]

Ah this thread again. been at least a day. Reading thru, see this

ETA to be more clear, I'm suggesting SC wants to nerf but not kill. After all, engineered accounts provide some revenue which is the real WAY THE GAME IS MEANT TO BE PLAYED.

leaving satisfied.

[MossackFonseca]

This guy represents the vast majority of clashers. This (I believe) is where most of SC's long term revenue is at. If it weren't for a couple of other guys in my clan willing to build & tweak multiple accounts to somewhat offset the engineering trend, we'd have likely quit the game months ago. As things stand, the arms race of engineering all these accounts is burning us out. We're hardly unique.

I have serious doubts that many of the pro-engineering crowd will stick with the game when all other players are doing the same thing. I could be wrong, but winning 50% in seriously competitive wars doesn't seem to be the goal.

No, what happened is that your clan hit a few engineers, some of your people started emulating them, and eventually it got harder and harder to out-engineer most of your opponents. It's a never-ending cycle. It's actually much easier for a guy like you to enjoy the game and win almost every war by NOT engineering because you are good enough at war to beat a true mirror almost every time. The easiest way to run into true mirrors is to just play the game rather than playing a spreadsheet. Look at Warios' clan, he posts on here every month or 2 with a ridiculously stupid matchup...but what he doesn't post is that they overcame fairly bad matchups regularly for a month during a 15-20 match win streak before hitting that crazy matchup b/c the mm was just determined to make them lose eventually. And people say that heavier clans with majority th10/11 are "better" or "more skilled", but in my experience Folkvangr hits about as many truly skilled opponents as we do truly engineered ones; ie, every now and then but very rarely.

[SystematicChaos]

How can u know what is largest population wants? Are u working for SC now? even SC employee may only know partially from data, but not the motives of the players

The people who are neither maxed nor engineered, he was talking about us. And I don't have to work at sc to know what we want at I'm one of them. I have enough friends who are in this category to know this.

Are you trying to claim that the clans who are neither engineered nor maxed want to face people with th11 troops which th3 defs against their th8s? Or are you saying that I need to give to data points to prove this.

[samratulangi]

The people who are neither maxed nor engineered, he was talking about us. And I don't have to work at sc to know what we want at I'm one of them. I have enough friends who are in this category to know this.

Are you trying to claim that the clans who are neither engineered nor maxed want to face people with th11 troops which th3 defs against their th8s? Or are you saying that I need to give to data points to prove this.

My point is everybody including you r free to express opinions, but saying your opinion is representing largest population is ...