Clan War Matchmaking Improvements

[Yachi]

The matchmaking system is far from fixed. As long as wardens do not match wardens, we will continue to be at the mercy of engineered clans. We just lost our 16 win streak to an engineered clan in a 20 vs 20 war.

Our roster:
3 TH11s
8 TH10s
9 TH9s

Their roster:
10 TH11s
4 TH10s
5 TH9s
1 TH8

Top 8 bases are well developed TH11s, with several without eagles and one or two without infernoes. 2 TH10s sit below their TH9s, and no surprise, a TH11 is sitted right at the bottom. We pride ourselves to have a strong TH9 game, so most of our opponents' TH9s will struggle against ours, but to have those engineered TH11s and TH10s spam troops on our TH9s is really hard to watch. They can even afford to attack without one hero since the troop levels are sufficient to overcome the odds. Needless to say, they had so many TH11 attacks left for TH11 vs TH11 attempts, in which increased their percentage. We lost at tied number of stars, but lower in percentage.

@SC @Darian, is this how you want wars to be? We have been fighting engineers war after war after war... This is getting really tiring.

[JackieBoy]

The matchmaking system is far from fixed. As long as wardens do not match wardens, we will continue to be at the mercy of engineered clans. We just lost our 16 win streak to an engineered clan in a 20 vs 20 war.

Our roster:
3 TH11s
8 TH10s
9 TH9s

Their roster:
10 TH11s
4 TH10s
5 TH9s
1 TH8

Top 8 bases are well developed TH11s, with several without eagles and one or two without infernoes. 2 TH10s sit below their TH9s, and no surprise, a TH11 is sitted right at the bottom. We pride ourselves to have a strong TH9 game, so most of our opponents' TH9s will struggle against ours, but to have those engineered TH11s and TH10s spam troops on our TH9s is really hard to watch. They can even afford to attack without one hero since the troop levels are sufficient to overcome the odds. Needless to say, they had so many TH11 attacks left for TH11 vs TH11 attempts, in which increased their percentage. We lost at tied number of stars, but lower in percentage.

@SC @Darian, is this how you want wars to be? We have been fighting engineers war after war after war... This is getting really tiring.

Hmm... a split decision that came down to % looks even at face value to me. When we see matchups like this, our top 1 or 2 bases are defensively superior to theirs. So they get a few extra shots at our top bases where as we have to fresh hit inferior 11s better.

[JackieBoy]

Running no eagle/no inferno wars is really the most fun. Imho those defenses ruined the game and turned th10 and th11 into a borefest. We have a fully maxed th11 except no infernos and no eagle and a th10 has never 3 starred him and only top th11s have. We would much rather match with similar clans than the 2 star borefest. I don't really care if we win or lose as were a level 14 clan, I have max walls and hero's, 1200+ war stars etc... but inferno/eagle free wars are much more fun. Even when we draw infernos and eagles, a 3 is plausible. So we get to go for three instead of maximizing % on a 2 star attack.

[blombardo]

[QUOTE=Yachi;11019175We have been fighting engineers war after war after war... This is getting really tiring.[/QUOTE]

20% of clans are maxer clans
60% are engineered.

so 6 out of 10 wars you should be seeing engineered clans based off the data in the API - it seems most players have gone to the dark side and most clans are using .5's to defenseless to compete... its going to be rare to see 'normal maxer' clans no matter what the MM tries to do.. there simply arent enough of them.

[Pluribus]

Just got our worst matchup in two weeks. We have 1 TH11 and 5 th10s. They have 7 th11s and 8 th10s in a 20v20 war. We don't stand a chance. Supercell when are you going to figure out how to matchup fair wars?!

[THEBIGDON]

The most problems I see are relatively simple and only complicated by discussions on rostering and engineering, and that is, who ever in SC believes that your opponents two maxed out TH11 at the top somehow 'matches' our two TH10 simply because they have a TH6 & TH7 at the bottom end against our two TH8 and therefore it is a balanced and fair matchup!

[Clashster1130]

Current war of 15 v 15. Their #12 and #13 are both th11 defenseless bases with completely maxed heros and troops. On our side our number 10-15 bases are th7 and lower. Matchmaking has been completely ruined for us since this update. Prior update, we would only lose about 4 times in our last 50 wars. War was the only thing keeping me into this game and now it isn't even fun anymore because we're getting matched up with engineered clans more than ever now.

[DONKEYontheEDGE]

It is worse now than ever,
Yet again We are in war with a clan full of engineered bases, its a waste of time,
We have.
2 max Th10s , 3 low level Th10s, 3 Th9s , 2 Th8s
They have
5 Th11s, 3 Th10s, 2 Th9s
All with missing defenses like eagle Artillery or inferno towers but high level Grand Wardens and Max troops for their level of base, 1 th9 has no defenses at all,
because it doesnt matter how well we do they have the troops and attacking capability to 3 star every one of our bases.
We play fair and are trying our best but yet again we are let down by the matchmaking thats letting these clans get away with it.
Please try to get these engineered clans sorted it's ruining it for the majority of fair playing clans.
Thanks flustrated rant over !!

[Ltcolumbo]

It is worse now than ever,
Yet again We are in war with a clan full of engineered bases, its a waste of time,
We have.
2 max Th10s , 3 low level Th10s, 3 Th9s , 2 Th8s
They have
5 Th11s, 3 Th10s, 2 Th9s
All with missing defenses like eagle Artillery or inferno towers but high level Grand Wardens and Max troops for their level of base, 1 th9 has no defenses at all,
because it doesnt matter how well we do they have the troops and attacking capability to 3 star every one of our bases.
We play fair and are trying our best but yet again we are let down by the matchmaking thats letting these clans get away with it.
Please try to get these engineered clans sorted it's ruining it for the majority of fair playing clans.
Thanks flustrated rant over !!

I agree it is worse than before, whatever they did seems to actually promote engineering and very high war heroes....it doesn't even make any sense, we do not have infernos and the highest war hero in our clan is a queen 17, most are around 10, yet we face double infernos maxed for th10 and heroes 40 ! when you add up the weight on all heroes, we are lagging behind the other team by a whooping 100 !
Terrible letdown on this one, they should return to the old system until they can come up with an improvement, the longer this farce lasts the more inept they look.

[Groglet]

We also just got what I consider an 'unfair' match. The situation is that their team has two 'lop sided' bases that are 1 TH level above our top base with wardens, specific maxed troops etc you know what they've done.

10 v 10 war, we have 4xTH10, 5xTH9, 1xTH8. They have 2xTH11, 3xTH10, 3xTH9, 1xTH8, 1xTH7. 8 inferno's on both sides. We don't have any engineered bases, everyone in our clan has placed all defences. We are stronger at the bottom. Woooo!

The sad part is it should be simple to write an algorithm that would completely eliminate this kind of matchup. The top offence on one side should never be higher than the top defence on the other side. Easy. The fact that they haven't done this makes me cynical.

We got a match in less than a minute. The matchmaker must evaluate this as a very close match.