Clan War Matchmaking Improvements

[JohnnyPC]

Most wars are won at the top by the attacks with the strongest troops. Therefore, I think one of the first factors in the MMA should be the max troops that each clan has.

For example, we did a small war recently (I think it was 10v10, maybe 15v15). We brought one defenseless TH9 with a max lavaloon, and our top 2 or 3 were TH9s. Our opponent had a defenseless TH11 with L6 dragons, an engineered TH10 with L5 dragons, and a couple TH9s in their top spots. From the perspective of overall defensive weight, we were a close match.

However, clearly our opponent had the offensive advantage regardless of any other weight comparisons throughout each clan. Even if our TH9s had stronger defense and offense than their TH9s, it doesn't matter because their TH11 can easily flatten our #1 & #2 with his L6 dragons, then their TH10 can flatten #3 & #4 with his L5 dragons, then their TH9s flatten our TH8s, and so on. Easy perfect score. Our choices were to also get a perfect score and tie for 40% loot, or lose for 30%, or not even bother trying because that 10% difference is not worth the fight.

Essentially, what I'm saying is that if a clan has a TH11 with TH11-level troops, then they should only be matched against other clans with TH11-level troops. This max troop level would only be one factor in the MMA - after max troop levels are compared, then other things can be compared (how many THs have those max troops, overall TH distribution, defensive weight, other offensive weight parameters, etc.)

[2222]

So how exactly do folks unbuild a base theyve worked up for a couple years? Please tell. This update was supposed to address the complaints about engineering. It did the opposite. It exacerbated the problem. Wars are no longer competitive unless you stop your defenses at TH7-9. Is thst really how the game is intended? Unless SC gives the capacity to undo defenses telling people to suck it up will only drive them away and crater this game we enjoy.

You are preaching to the max th11 choir here. If you aren't th11, you could move up and get the advantage. The problem is SC could fix the problem and then you regret it. Of course, people that thought that 2 years ago wish they had just done ahead and moved up to th9, th10, whatever. I don't disagree what the matchmaker didn't seem to fix the problem. My clan sees little to no change. A few people report improvement. Many more report it is worse. Complaints are more common than compliments, so that could account for some of it, but actually seeing the matches on some of these wars shows the matchmaker still isn't working. Hopefully, they can improve it.

I do disagree that wars aren't competitive if your defenses exceed th9. That isn't the case, especially in smaller wars. It is true there is still a problem with engineering and especially roster engineering.

[JohnnyPC]

We about to lose a war, us with 3 th10, 17 th9, them with 16 th10, and 4 th9.
Had about enough of this game already.

See my post above how max troops should be a first factor in the MMA.

In your war, I'm guessing that most if not all of their 16x TH10s have TH10-level troops but weak defense. That wouldn't happen under my proposal. For example, I'm saying that if you have 3x TH10s with TH10-level troops, then your match should also have *at most* 3 or 4 bases with TH10-level troops. They could have TH11s, but only if they didn't have TH11 troops. They could have 16 TH10s, but ~13 would have to have TH9-level troops or less.

[Fiscal]

You are preaching to the max th11 choir here. If you aren't th11, you could move up and get the advantage. The problem is SC could fix the problem and then you regret it. Of course, people that thought that 2 years ago wish they had just done ahead and moved up to th9, th10, whatever. I don't disagree what the matchmaker didn't seem to fix the problem. My clan sees little to no change. A few people report improvement. Many more report it is worse. Complaints are more common than compliments, so that could account for some of it, but actually seeing the matches on some of these wars shows the matchmaker still isn't working. Hopefully, they can improve it.

I do disagree that wars aren't competitive if your defenses exceed th9. That isn't the case, especially in smaller wars. It is true there is still a problem with engineering and especially roster engineering.

The worst part is that SC shot themselves in the foot again. They tell us they are fixing it, build expectations and then disappoint. If they hadnt said anything there would be some grumbling but they got everyone expecting positive change and then tilted the field in favor of engineers. We cant debuild our bases.

[Colin94]

max troops should be a first factor in the MMA.

The number of eagles and defense levels are very important, too. This war we have one max th11 and the other clan has 3 (everything built and maxed). We can only win this war if they use gowipe lol

[Roscoe8888]

There is an easy way to fix this. When there is a match being offered the leaders of the clan are given a summary of how many THs there are at any level. So for example when a war is matched we are given a short summary of an offer to war with a clan that has 4 th 11 9 th 10 and 7 th 9 for a 20 man war. You would see nothing else. Once its accepted then the prep time starts. If its not accepted then they go back to match someone else. You would still use the same match making but it would give someone with a brain the option to say yes or no. If i have 4 th 11s and i am being offered a clan with 12 then obviously i would say no. If they have 5 or 6 maybe i will maybe i won't. Thats all on the individual trust in your members to do their job.

If that doesn't work then make it match the number of THs at any given level with a standard deviation of +/- 1 per level. So if you have 4 TH 11 then you match with other clans who have between 3 and 5 TH 11s. There are enough clans out there that this shouldn't be a huge problem. Then players would work on maxing their bases out again and it would do away with the .5 bases too. If you know your going to match with a th 10 just because your a th 10 why would you keep the defenses of a th 9?

[packerfan]

MM has been worse since the update, we've only had 1 non engineered match in the last 2 weeks and we don't run any rushed or .5 accounts. Not even an abstract mix either, we spin like 6 th10s 10 th10s and 14 th9s. Matching is a joke right now, League Wars the only time we get to really test ourselves against even competition. I would say just run matching with TH tiers where no TH lvl can be weighted less than a lower TH below it. Of course all the rushers would throw a hissy fit though.

[Roscoe8888]

Sure it sounds easy when you put it like that. But then again, you haven't considered everything. So if you have a TH3 army, you count as a TH3? Even if you're a TH11 with infernos and an EAGLE? I can't imagine anything more disastrous for the game or more disastrous for new players just starting out. For that matter, what exactly is a TH11 army anyway? Is a TH11 army the kind of army that someone has the minute their townhall is a TH11 and therefore, new townhalls are considered the same as maxed townhalls? Or is it when they unlock certain troops? Because I know of at least one clan with a monstrously long winning streak who achieved it by doing very much what you described.

How do you score this one offensively?



The solution is far more complicated than you're giving it credit. If it were so easy, it'd be perfect already. The matchmaking still needs improvement for a lot of teams and Supercell will continue to adjust. Keep providing feedback, but let's leave the actual logistics to the professionals. There's a lot more to it than any of us could imagine.

Im pretty sure if that account was counted as a TH 10 (which it is) and matched with TH 10s that win streak that your talking about would be over their next war. That just goes to show how screwed up the match making system is that that works. Its even WORSE that Supercell is apparently aware of this but has done nothing to address something that extreme.

"What is a TH11 army?" Well thats extremely simple... Any troop that you have to have a TH11 to have is a TH11 army. Hmmm that didn't take much thought. You act like this is an extremely complicated issue but its not. Its being made into one by people like you who keep giving Supercell excuses. I have been playing this game since TH 10 came out. Long before wars started. I took a break for a while and come back to total garbage and nothing but excuses. I have spent my money and i have supported this game longer than many other players but Supercell does not care about that.

[Roscoe8888]

MM has been worse since the update, we've only had 1 non engineered match in the last 2 weeks and we don't run any rushed or .5 accounts. Not even an abstract mix either, we spin like 6 th10s 10 th10s and 14 th9s. Matching is a joke right now, League Wars the only time we get to really test ourselves against even competition. I would say just run matching with TH tiers where no TH lvl can be weighted less than a lower TH below it. Of course all the rushers would throw a hissy fit though.

Let the rushers throw a fit. It would only encourage them to spend more money to catch up. Supercell wins and we get the game fixed.

[Chang405]

"What is a TH11 army?" Well thats extremely simple... Any troop that you have to have a TH11 to have is a TH11 army. Hmmm that didn't take much thought. You act like this is an extremely complicated issue but its not. Its being made into one by people like you who keep giving Supercell excuses. I have been playing this game since TH 10 came out. Long before wars started. I took a break for a while and come back to total garbage and nothing but excuses. I have spent my money and i have supported this game longer than many other players but Supercell does not care about that.

You are right, your answer clearly didn't take much thought. If you actually thought about it, it wouldn't make sense.

TH associated upgrades are not black and white. Since this game is an open build type of game players are on different sliding scales within each TH level. Just because someone has Th11 giants doesn't mean he has a TH11 army and should match up to TH11s with eagles.