Is there a stronger farming clan than Exploitation?

[billwinkiesbear]

To add some stuff about the "Top 50" stuff....

There would be a few things that are essential for this to happen.

1) Co-ordination... Set the Date for the attempt - Why is this important.. Knowing when allows you to "farm" as much elix as possible. And trust me you will need 8 million unless your super good at attacking...Although the level 6 Troops will help (maybe)

2) Feeders... It will be wholly necessary to leave a few spots open - Why - So our clan mates can come in and Donate good stuff... Archers in clan castle just wont cut it...

3) Practice - ♥♥♥ am i talking about? - Well when you have been farming for a very long time you will not believe how your attacking strategy is automatically altered to fit that... Every time we push (once / month) i learn something new...

My final point is due to the fact that Supercell keep udpating the game.. They want us to farm and they want the gemmers to gem... This update will push any attempt further back as we will all want to farm and upgrade!!

DAMN YOU ALL TO HELL SUPERCELL!!!!!!

[serj]

To add some stuff about the "Top 50" stuff....



My final point is due to the fact that Supercell keep udpating the game.. They want us to farm and they want the gemmers to gem... This update will push any attempt further back as we will all want to farm and upgrade!!

DAMN YOU ALL TO HELL SUPERCELL!!!!!!

This is a very good point. I don't think we can set some date based on x amount of people having x things maxed out. That's going to be constantly changing. We need to just set a date at some point in the future and just go for it when that date comes with whatever bases we have at that point.

[nwobigboy]

how can you base your clan on wall depth, when until 24 hrs ago, they couldn't slow a gob, now maybe the last level slows armies a bit but still no matter. Reason being mass dragons are the most popular armies for trophy hunting at high counts. Orderofthieves members are informed of this and other info with all ranks through all our clans. its the best farming clan because of feedback of what is needed to succeed and believe it or not its not max everything out. people are free to farm as they wish but are encouraged to stop at a smart discussed point based on what you need to get and sustain trophy's. 3 clans in top 100 [and one means orderofthieves], who else has diversity and capacity to help bring info to the forefront. don't hate on people for the time, energy, or dollars they can or cannot spend, especially if you don't know us. almost all orderofthieves members are not gemmers. i know this because as a top clan leader, i can tell you this. gemmers don't go farming they quit.

p.s. a maxed base with maxed heroes and maxed walls[lol], full cc too, still loses.

[Sensi]

how can you base your clan on wall depth, when until 24 hrs ago, they couldn't slow a gob, now maybe the last level slows armies a bit but still no matter. Reason being mass dragons are the most popular armies for trophy hunting at high counts. Orderofthieves members are informed of this and other info with all ranks through all our clans. its the best farming clan because of feedback of what is needed to succeed and believe it or not its not max everything out. people are free to farm as they wish but are encouraged to stop at a smart discussed point based on what you need to get and sustain trophy's. 3 clans in top 100 [and one means orderofthieves], who else has diversity and capacity to help bring info to the forefront. don't hate on people for the time, energy, or dollars they can or cannot spend, especially if you don't know us. almost all orderofthieves members are not gemmers. i know this because as a top clan leader, i can tell you this. gemmers don't go farming they quit.

p.s. a maxed base with maxed heroes and maxed walls[lol], full cc too, still loses.

You are a bit late to this party nwobigboy... If you would have read the thread properly you would have seen that we are basing our clans strength on walls AND defence. And I can assure you that goblins ARE slowed down with skull walls along with every other ground troop.
How can you can compete with all dragon armies unless you too are fighting with all dragon armies... how is it possible to consistantly raise all dragon armies without gemming them? Pls don't bother trying to answer because it is not possible to sustain.
It is also not a good idea to spread false information such as "gemmers don't go farming they quit". Sure some might but what tends to happen is they discover along the way they cannot possibly sustain the level of gems required and come down and farm. Facescraper has already told everybody that your big gem players come down from The Order to farm and when they are maxed they go back.

[serj]

Reason being mass dragons are the most popular armies for trophy hunting at high counts....its the best farming clan because of feedback of what is needed to succeed and believe it or not its not max everything out. people are free to farm as they wish but are encouraged to stop at a smart discussed point based on what you need to get and sustain trophy's.

Ahh, the thread that wouldn't die...

Everything about your post screams..'chasing trophies, chasing trophies'.

Which is fine. But believe it or not some farmers are content just farming. Weird I know. I will chase at some point but some in our clan just plan to keep farming.

I wasn't asking who has the most access to trophy chasing knowledge. I was more looking for farming effectiveness. But to each his own. I'll say it yet AGAIN..I wasn't saying we are the 'BEST'. That word is extremely subjective and anyone can interpret it differently.

There's going to be a point we will just have to agree to disagree...I've been at that point for awhile now.

[Choqiees]

how can you base your clan on wall depth, when until 24 hrs ago, they couldn't slow a gob, now maybe the last level slows armies a bit but still no matter. Reason being mass dragons are the most popular armies for trophy hunting at high counts. Orderofthieves members are informed of this and other info with all ranks through all our clans. its the best farming clan because of feedback of what is needed to succeed and believe it or not its not max everything out. people are free to farm as they wish but are encouraged to stop at a smart discussed point based on what you need to get and sustain trophy's. 3 clans in top 100 [and one means orderofthieves], who else has diversity and capacity to help bring info to the forefront. don't hate on people for the time, energy, or dollars they can or cannot spend, especially if you don't know us. almost all orderofthieves members are not gemmers. i know this because as a top clan leader, i can tell you this. gemmers don't go farming they quit.

p.s. a maxed base with maxed heroes and maxed walls[lol], full cc too, still loses.

Right.....

[P148]

Looks to me this thread is getting out of hand. It seems a lot of people have jumped on the bandwagon and not actually bother to understand what Serj was actually asking. The question did not have anything to do with levels or defences. It was pure and simple. Which clan has 'farmed' or looted the most gold therefore making them the strongest farmer?

This is reflective not in players 'levels' (this is deceptive). There is an easy way to answer this question. If only Supercell would let us see how much gold and elixir each player has looted instead of stopping the count at 100m.

Unfortunately, we do not have this log so the other way to be able to answer the question is to look at each player in a clan and figure who has farmed and looted the most and have walls and defenses as maxed as poss for each TH level.

A STRONG Village = Max defenses AND Walls for each TH level.

A strong farmer would have both defences and walls maxed (not one or the other. BOTH) . Thats what makes a strong village. If a village has strong defense but its walls are not up to standard that simply means that the player has not actually farmed or looted enough gold therefore making that person an average farmer not a Strong one.

The case you are making is almost right.

If you want to judge pure "farming ability" which can probably be agreed to be "ability to obtain the most gold the fastest" the real measure you should look at is gold per unit training time hour. In other words the net loot is irrelevent, it's the loot rate (per unit training time) that shows your farming skill.

I would be much more interested in a post that asked "gold per hour stats" of the best farmers out there. Are any of you willing to contribute that statistic? I imagine the average farmer is doing 1-2million, good farmers 2-3, not sure if any of you manage 3+ but that would be extremely impressive?

And you've completely ignored the defensive aspect of farming, which is to preserve the resources you've raided. Although this isn't as important, good base design, defence and ability to retain the gold you have stolen is a measure of farming ability too.

Having said that I agree that being in a good clan is much more along the lines of Illustrius (culture, chat, maturity etc.)

Edit: which it goes without saying, none of you have shown

[serj]

The case you are making is almost right.

If you want to judge pure "farming ability" which can probably be agreed to be "ability to obtain the most gold the fastest" the real measure you should look at is gold per unit training time hour. In other words the net loot is irrelevent, it's the loot rate (per unit training time) that shows your farming skill.

This makes sense...

Having said that I agree that being in a good clan is much more along the lines of Illustrius (culture, chat, maturity etc.)

This misses the point....pretty much every serious clan has a no immaturity rule/age limit restriction for entrance..I honestly don't know much about the culture inside of illustris clan, aside from it being what he described to me as a dictatorship. If you want a one man show with no elders that is fine for some people. That's just not the type of culture we use in ours.. That choice is theirs. I'm not hating on that style..it's just different. Nothing wrong with it I suppose..

This thread was not about 'good' or the 'best', People keep saying that to distract from our 'strength' I believe. Which was the original topic. As far as culture/chat/activity/donations and stuff like that. We also are very very good on those fronts. Members join us and rarely leave because of how much they enjoy it in our family. Just because we are at the top doesn't mean we are drill sargeants

[P148]

This makes sense...



This misses the point....pretty much every serious clan has a no immaturity rule/age limit restriction for entrance..I honestly don't know much about the culture inside of illustris clan, aside from it being what he described to me as a dictatorship. If you want a one man show with no elders that is fine for some people. That's just not the type of culture we use in ours.. That choice is theirs. I'm not hating on that style..it's just different. Nothing wrong with it I suppose..

This thread was not about 'good' or the 'best', People keep saying that to distract from our 'strength' I believe. Which was the original topic. As far as culture/chat/activity/donations and stuff like that. We also are very very good on those fronts. Members join us and rarely leave because of how much they enjoy it in our family. Just because we are at the top doesn't mean we are drill sargeants

I'm not disagreeing with you and I didn't mean to say whose clan sounds better.

Lets leave it at 2 objective stats to determine farming ability, strength & skill

1) Gold per unit training hour [Attack - I would consider 80-90% important]
2) Gold lost per attack [Defence - 10-20% important] Essentially a measure of defensive base design and defensive upgrades.

My second point was simply that there are more qualitative measures to how good a clan is, however I understand you have emphasised half a dozen times in this thread you were after "strength" alone.

I would consider that predominantly stat 1) which basically accumulates your clans knowledge of how best to raid gold - the primary aim of farming.

If anyone wants to contribute I'd be interested to know what sort of gold figures people are raiding?

I'm guessing most people are between 500k - 3MM per hour with most somewhere in the middle. Anyone who hits 3MM+ I'd be very impressed by. I'm sure there are people out there, possibly in your clans seeing as you guys have the experience.

[serj]

I'm into what you are saying..and if there were an automated way to do this. I would totally submit my stats to compare to others. But..keeping track of the amount of troops I used on every fight vs the amount of gold I get in x time frame..

I know myself. I would miss some battles here and there and throw off the entire thing. You also don't have an easy way to tell if people are lying. It's not a bad idea. But considering I'm pretty much the front man for recruitment(for the most part, no offense guys) and do a huge amount of work managing our main feeder clan..I frankly just don't want to add to my workload at all right now =P haha. Call it laziness if you will. Maybe some of the other guys could consider it..dunno

This is why I wish supercell had some sort of mechanism to gauge farming clans.

Then I wouldn't have to make contraversial claims with the only evidence being our pimped out bases =P...