Lightning spell vs. dark Elixir storage

[jobro]

In master 3 you wont be zapped...

[Scuba061]

But saying that getting zapped in lower leagues makes people go up implies that you think they can get it back easily by raiding in higher leagues, if not then the point is still irrelevant as people cant move up and raid effectively anyway, so they will still stay low.
As I said from looking at my experiences and from what I have heard from others in all my time playing coc people decide what league to be in based on what loot they can get. The reason they stay low is because loot is better for them there, with little regard for how they do on defence.

How resources lost is completely relevant. People develop there base so it defends better. If it was possible to take down a maxed th10 with 10 lvl1 barbs you think people wouldn't complain? If how resources lost wasn't relevant then they wouldn't but you and I know full well they would. The whole point is how it undermines base development, worst part is you actually lose more against zaps the higher the th, with exactly the same lvl of spell used in the same way.

First, I don't deny some players move down just to follow the loot and defense doesn't matter much. However, you are completely denying that players do in fact drop down for safer farming. You see it in every thread and multiple times on this one. Oh I'm dropping down to save 40k or 70k. That says they care very much about defense because they are relying on their drills and being sniped.

Now to the second point. Do you not see the huge contradiction in what you're saying? You say players move down with "little regard for how they do on defense". Your exact words. Then your entire next paragraph explains why they DO CARE about defense. Which is it? If a player doesn't care about defense then zapping shouldn't bother them at all. Why would they care if the defenses they don't care about are being circumvented? Fact is, they wouldn't. The only reason zapping bothers people is that they care very much about their defense. Again, you see it in the threads about it being indefensible.

It all speaks to how these people want to drop down and live off their drills with a base they expect to be invincible because it's a league filled mostly with players who have little to no hope of raiding normally.

[Dread]

Forgive me if I don't know (because this just isn't a problem to me) but how much DE are you talking about? Each lightning spell costs 35k. How much DE usually gets stolen and how many zaps does it take to get it?

It depends on what level lightning spells and how many spells. 3 level 4 lightning spells can steal about 800-1000 dark elixir if you have 2000 avaible. I even have town hall 9s hitting me with all 4 lightning spells

[Snacks]

Would be cool if something like a lightning rod was brought into the game they you could put right by the DE and upgrade to attract more and more of the lightning.... That way we have at least some way to protect DE storage, and also keeps us playing for longer with more stuff to upgrade...yay for dragging it out!

[Dread]

besides supercell already ruled out features that converse resources, This is basically converting elixir to dark elixir

[rwelshjr]

It depends on what level lightning spells and how many spells. 3 level 4 lightning spells can steal about 800-1000 dark elixir if you have 2000 avaible. I even have town hall 9s hitting me with all 4 lightning spells

OK, so for 100k they are getting 800-1000 DE. That's not a good deal for them (really bad even) so I think the problem takes care of itself.

For 100K in troop costs one can steal way more than that plus get a lot of regular lix and good as well. So I think the zappers are just people that need a chance to learn that. They will after a few zaps.

[Gama321]

First, I don't deny some players move down just to follow the loot and defense doesn't matter much. However, you are completely denying that players do in fact drop down for safer farming. You see it in every thread and multiple times on this one. Oh I'm dropping down to save 40k or 70k. That says they care very much about defense because they are relying on their drills and being sniped.

Now to the second point. Do you not see the huge contradiction in what you're saying? You say players move down with "little regard for how they do on defense". Your exact words. Then your entire next paragraph explains why they DO CARE about defense. Which is it? If a player doesn't care about defense then zapping shouldn't bother them at all. Why would they care if the defenses they don't care about are being circumvented? Fact is, they wouldn't. The only reason zapping bothers people is that they care very much about their defense. Again, you see it in the threads about it being indefensible.

It all speaks to how these people want to drop down and live off their drills with a base they expect to be invincible because it's a league filled mostly with players who have little to no hope of raiding normally.

Not really sure about your first point, if its not too much trouble give me a quote from this thread saying that. From personal experience I wouldn't think so but you may be right.

There was no contradiction. People are frustrated with how it is lost, not how much, otherwise these same people would make threads if they ever got looned or gowiped which would occasionally happen even in lower leagues. The argument that they stay away from higher leagues to defend better is related to how much. They don't care about how much is lost because they should (hopefully) be making it up several fold in a single session, this plus how snipes are more lucrative in the higher leagues counterbalance the stronger armies show that they have very little reason to stay away from higher leagues just to defend slightly better. I honestly get sniped more in m3 than I did as a th9 in g1/c3

[Gama321]

OK, so for 100k they are getting 800-1000 DE. That's not a good deal for them (really bad even) so I think the problem takes care of itself.

For 100K in troop costs one can steal way more than that plus get a lot of regular lix and good as well. So I think the zappers are just people that need a chance to learn that. They will after a few zaps.

Just to clarify for ya, 5 maxed zaps cost 120k and can take over 2 thirds of a maxed strorage. That's 120k elixir for around 2.2-2.4k de. Furthermore the cost to the attacker isn't too relevant, its about losing over 2 thirds of the resource most farmers protect the most with just spells. Also it obviously is a good deal for them if they are doing it.

[Scuba061]

Not really sure about your first point, if its not too much trouble give me a quote from this thread saying that. From personal experience I wouldn't think so but you may be right.

There was no contradiction. People are frustrated with how it is lost, not how much, otherwise these same people would make threads if they ever got looned or gowiped which would occasionally happen even in lower leagues. The argument that they stay away from higher leagues to defend better is related to how much. They don't care about how much is lost because they should (hopefully) be making it up several fold in a single session, this plus how snipes are more lucrative in the higher leagues counterbalance the stronger armies show that they have very little reason to stay away from higher leagues just to defend slightly better. I honestly get sniped more in m3 than I did as a th9 in g1/c3

Take a look at the prior page with a post from Wildbill that was quoted by rwelshjr. That's just one and his sentiment is hardly the exception. A few pages back another poster said he dropped to save 40k for L5 minions. It's counter intuitive to drop lower where DE is more scarce unless you plan on relying on your drills.

And how is what you said not a contradiction? You say they don't care about defense and follow that up immediately explaining why they do care about defense. If you don't care about defense why would it matter if L1 barbs 3 starred your base? You don't care, so what's the problem?

[Gama321]

Take a look at the prior page with a post from Wildbill that was quoted by rwelshjr. That's just one and his sentiment is hardly the exception. A few pages back another poster said he dropped to save 40k for L5 minions. It's counter intuitive to drop lower where DE is more scarce unless you plan on relying on your drills.

And how is what you said not a contradiction? You say they don't care about defense and follow that up immediately explaining why they do care about defense. If you don't care about defense why would it matter if L1 barbs 3 starred your base? You don't care, so what's the problem?

Sorry if it wasn't clear but when I said they don't care I was referring to how much they lose if any. Not how it was lost which is the matter at hand.

The minion guy didn't say anything about dropping but from the other guy evidently you are correct in saying that some people drop in order to preserve de better. But this number would have to be so small as to be barely worth mentioning, as anyone who tries to progress in this game without raiding would barely progress at all. Furthermore, that guy is proof of what I said. Your argument (or someones) was that these people would be deterred from the lower leagues due to zaps, but anyone who stays low would be relying on drills (as you said), and would still stay low even with being zapped as they would lose more if they moved up.