 Equal Rights For Small Hoods 

[CacheCowQueen]

Stated much better than I could have, but exactly how I feel about the game. Thank you for your honest response.

[Dove2017]

Hay Day started off as a nice little farming game that you could play on your own, in your own way, no hassles to play 'The Right Way'. Calm & not at all competitive. IMO The NH's changed the game and not for the better & the Derby totally ruined the feel of HD, especially when the Leagues were introduced. Of course you don't have to be in an NH or play the Derby, but that doesn't undo the impact of the Derby on the whole feel of the game. I don't know where SC is going with it, but with each step we are less and less able to get equal enjoyment out of playing the game our own way & not complying with their desire to have us all playing the Derby in larger NH's. A greater divide of the 'haves & have nots'. No nice horse Deco & look at the Permits (2 pw for those who conform) & Boosters (2 pw for conformers). It's a shame really that they chose not to maintain the game as it was originally designed 'Equal opportunities for everyone & no 'right way' to play'.

An equal opportunity to earn pixelated Deco, whilst choosing to play solo/small NH, really isn't a huge ask.

I totally agree with you !! Everybody had different ideas about what is best and how to play - and there isn't anything particularly easy or hard about small and big hoods, they each have positives and negatives. And you're so right that a divide between the two does create a kind of pressure to join a larger hood and it's not pleasant.

I'm fine with ultra-rare deco like the pearl of the sea (Not making mystery nets any time soon - lol!) being out there for players who want to invest tons of diamonds....and definitely for rare deco that indicates level of experience and time (why isn't there a trophy for complete fishing books?) but the derby deco and rewards including boosters etc. should be available to all hoods. Period.

[1happycat]

*MiniDibs*. As you know, I'm all for the Derby Catalogue  we need to continue to add to that thread to keep it live.

However, that doesn't really address the issue of smaller NH's not getting all of the Horseshoes because if it's as it is now, we'd get fewer points every week. The 'fairness' point isn't addressed. I'd do 10x320 tasks and get 4 points, someone in an NH of 30 would do 9x285 points (say) and get 9 points.




I've resisted ✅ practically every post as it would be WAY too long , but it's difficult because I'd love to agree/disagree with so many things people have said, but I'll try to generalise my thoughts instead.

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Hay Day started off as a nice little farming game that you could play on your own, in your own way, no hassles to play 'The Right Way'. Calm & not at all competitive. IMO The NH's changed the game and not for the better & the Derby totally ruined the feel of HD, especially when the Leagues were introduced. Of course you don't have to be in an NH or play the Derby, but that doesn't undo the impact of the Derby on the whole feel of the game. I don't know where SC is going with it, but with each step we are less and less able to get equal enjoyment out of playing the game our own way & not complying with their desire to have us all playing the Derby in larger NH's. A greater divide of the 'haves & have nots'. No nice horse Deco & look at the Permits (2 pw for those who conform) & Boosters (2 pw for conformers). It's a shame really that they chose not to maintain the game as it was originally designed 'Equal opportunities for everyone & no 'right way' to play'.

An equal opportunity to earn pixelated Deco, whilst choosing to play solo/small NH, really isn't a huge ask.

I couldn't agree more!

[SmallChange]

Now if we could only get SC to agree!

[daz258]

Larger Hoods dismantling: I really don't think they would, people choose to play in the NH size they prefer. However, even if I'm wrong and loads of NH's dismantle, so what? Who does that affect? No one except the individual concerned and if they're happier playing solo why wouldn't you want that for them? How does it affect anyone else?

I do believe some larger hoods would dismantle should solo hoods be able to achieve all horseshoes; but do agree it's not necessarily a bad thing.

Just play in a bigger hood: I, and many others, don't want to. Some people have all kinds of social phobias or other MH issues that make that very stressful or even totally impossible. I, & many others, just want to play solo for other perfectly valid reasons. Hay Day didn't start as a Team Game, it started as a solo game (as other have explained). It's not like CoC at all.

That wasn't one of my arguments against it, I totally understand anxieties and the want to play alone.

I agree you should be able to play solo and get rewarded for doing so also if you perform really well.

Solo Derby Easy: It's not. It's DIFFERENT. For reasons already explained. Last Derby I trashed over 800 tasks to get my board set up, how many players in a large NH have to spend that much time trashing the board? Playing to the board changes your whole game for days, taking tasks as they come up, much less so. I could reiterate all the reasons again, but I'm sure anyone genuinely interested in the debate doesn't need me to and it probably wouldn't change the minds of those posting glib comments.

I may have said this in a round a bout way, but not directly. I've done solo derby before and I am fully aware of the challenges, board grooming and preparations required. However, you are in full control of the derby; you choose when to kick it off; you choose what tasks you want for yourself, and can set an hour or so aside to clean out your groomed task board in one fell swoop with stacked machines, full town ready, mining tools on standby, sub accounts with help ready to flag etc.

You, and only you are in FULL control of the situation.

Bigger NH Harder: It's HARDER for the Leader (GOOD Co-Leaders) but not the general team members. Again, it's just DIFFERENT.

This is where I disagree, you call it different; but it is harder. It takes more than just one good leader to organise a large hood; you need several responsible co-leaders and all members & elders to work towards the game goal.

Also, the larger the hood, the less control you as an individual player have over it's outcome. The less control over what tasks you want to do and when you want to do them, the less control you have over other players dropping the ball and risk of wrong tasks being taken or getting trashed is much greater. That makes it more challenging. So often in a larger hood you have to 'take one for the team' and suck up a boring task like a 320 fishing or 320 boat task or any other high point task you dislike because there is only a finite amount of tasks available.

Whether you are in a solo hood, hood of 3; or a hood of 30 we all share the one communal derby task board. We also share the painful 30 minute waits for new tasks. Because of this fact there should be some differences in the reward systems. The game has a current horseshoe system that seems to take this into consideration; but the gap is too large at the moment. I agree 100% that it needs to be adjusted, but will never agree they should be completely equal.

Individual players:Why should individual members (excluding the Leader) get better rewarded than solo players? It requires no more (possibly less) effort to do 9x285 tasks and yet they win all 9 Horseshoes, but doing 10x320 tasks gets us 4. Same with Top 3 placing.

In this situation I agree both parties should be able to take 9 horseshoes home.

Overall I mostly, but don't completely with the notion that hoods of different sizes should be considered equal, because they are not. While the current gap is ridiculous and really should be reviewed by team Hay Day.

[SmallChange]

I totally understand anxieties and the want to play alone

Just to clarify, I don't have any anxiety or MH issues, nothing to prevent me playing in a bigger NH I'm just done with the drama! But I know many people who do.

I agree you should be able to play solo and get rewarded for doing so also if you perform really well.

I may have said this [that it's easy to play solo] in a round a bout way, but not directly. I've done solo derby before and I am fully aware of the challenges, board grooming and preparations required. However, you are in full control of the derby; you choose when to kick it off; you choose what tasks you want for yourself, and can set an hour or so aside to clean out your groomed task board in one fell swoop with stacked machines, full town ready, mining tools on standby, sub accounts with help ready to flag etc.

You, and only you are in FULL control of the situation.

Yes. Well, all except the sub farms, I don't have any of those. They wouldn't stay sub & I'd have to become a hermit to play another farm!

The other things are, in part, why I *choose* to play solo. However, that's no reason to be punished. Others *choose* to play in big NH's because there are more people to trash, lots of help filling crates, getting stock for trucks, watering tasks, mining tools for tasks - loads of help.

This is where I disagree, you call it different; but it is harder. It takes more than just one good leader to organise a large hood; you need several responsible co-leaders and all members & elders to work towards the game goal.

Also, the larger the hood, the less control you as an individual player have over it's outcome. The less control over what tasks you want to do and when you want to do them, the less control you have over other players dropping the ball and risk of wrong tasks being taken or getting trashed is much greater. That makes it more challenging. So often in a larger hood you have to 'take one for the team' and suck up a boring task like a 320 fishing or 320 boat task or any other high point task you dislike because there is only a finite amount of tasks available.

Whether you are in a solo hood, hood of 3; or a hood of 30 we all share the one communal derby task board. We also share the painful 30 minute waits for new tasks. Because of this fact there should be some differences in the reward systems. The game has a current horseshoe system that seems to take this into consideration; but the gap is too large at the moment. I agree 100% that it needs to be adjusted, but will never agree they should be completely equal.

The board works out pretty equal I think. In order to win solo I have to have 10 tasks on the board that can be done quickly. Not 8 or 9, but 10. Some weeks it's impossible & I start with 8 or 9, but never place those weeks. Each time you get a task on the board it makes it harder to get another one. I'm often trashing only 3 slots each time. There are lots more tasks I can't do because if I did them I wouldn't win (fishing, animal feeding, any egg/goat milk/bacon/wool tasks, etc). With a big hood the slots are ALL cleared frequently, lots of new tasks.

In this situation [a solo doing 10x320 & a player in a bigger NH doing 9x285] I agree both parties should be able to take 9 horseshoes home.

Overall I mostly, but don't completely with the notion that hoods of different sizes should be considered equal, because they are not. While the current gap is ridiculous and really should be reviewed by team Hay Day.

I still think they're *different* and as players can choose to play in a hood from 1-30 the rewards for that individual player should be the same no matter what NH size they choose to be a part of. Choosing an NH is about so much more than just the Derby and players shouldn't be penalised for choosing what suits them.

[JessOfTheDerbyvilles]

Daz, I do believe you've made your points; however this thread was never really meant to be a debate. If you'll go back and read my initial post, you'll see that this thread was supposed to be a place for players in solo or small hoods to band together and make a plea to Supercell in hopes that they would consider providing us with more equitable treatment. This isn't a trial… could the Prosecution please rest?

[WussyPuss]

Thanks for bringing this up Jess. I wrote in a couple of weeks back, being new to derby, asking if I'd ever be able to gain a horse jump to decorate my horses field, and kindly received some advice back. No - really seemed to be the answer, but I lived in hope. I am a solo player (busy life and all that, who wants some well earned peace and quite and to get this I escape to my farm). I didn't join the derby when it first came out because I thought solo players couldn't. I made a NH to take part because of the permits. I'm not solo to cheat and whizz through all tasks. I can't stack the board because I don't have that many diamonds to spare, but I don't mind if others do. I get finished sometimes just right on time and used to think why am I getting so stressed, this is supposed to be fun. The thought of that horse jump or water trough kept me focussed. Then I found out they will never be mine - I was down hearted, because although I've only myself to organise, I still put in a lot of effort in completing my tasks. Waiting the 25 mins or so for the board to refresh, trashing, waiting for better points to appear is an endless struggle for me - but I have to keep going for the chance of a permit. I need permits to open the land like everyone else. I have been hoping for ages for Supercell to expand the land on the other side of the road, to balance my farm out and am not fussed about the deco within. (I've just sent a mauve tree to the shop.) If I want to open this land, I have to keep derbying. This is fine, I don't mind participating because of it as it's given me a different element to the game, but why should I only be able to reach level 4? Why shouldn't the prize threshold be staggered to represent the numbers participating in your derby - as suggested by some in this thread? I shouldn't have to be forced to join a larger NH to possibly get a horse jump as a reward, when playing solo is my only escape from the real world, if that makes sense. If little hoods were able to get decorations based on their sizes than that would be fantastic - otherwise it's like telling a child don't try, because you'll never achieve. In my opinion that wouldn't be taking anything away from the larger NH - just making it fairer to us little ones who have our own different derby woes to contend with. If structured properly it would work fine. All I want is that little horse jump to keep my horses happy in their field - why should a larger NH's object to that?

Happy to to finally see your post!

you show your perspective very well

[JessOfTheDerbyvilles]

Hey hey, haydaylover! Your love for Hay Day is evident! So glad your post finally made it through, and thank you!

[haydaylover6610]

Hi again, thank you both for your previous help. Only too pleased to support this good cause