 Equal Rights For Small Hoods 

[daz258]

Great reply Perky, as well as others.

I still stand by my belief that it will dismantle some hoods and result in the creation of more smaller hoods.

I have played in solo, small derby hoods and large derby hoods. I have always found it harder to win in larger hoods.

We all have lives outside of Hay Day after all, there will always be times when a player cannot do all/any of their tasks; naturally that risk is higher in a larger hood due to a larger population.

As the risk is greater, the potential horseshoe rewards are also greater; I consider them to be risk relative rewards. Because regardless of whether you finish first in a solo, small or large hood the prize is the same.

However, I also accept your point in that playing solo in a farm game should not be deemed as a bad thing. And that is how the current model operates.

Some middle ground there might be best. Would you be happier with horseshoes to be attainable by hoods of all sizes, but the potential winning and placing rewards to be greater in a larger hood?

[SmallChange]

Great reply Perky, as well as others.

I still stand by my belief that it will dismantle some hoods and result in the creation of more smaller hoods.

I have played in solo, small derby hoods and large derby hoods. I have always found it harder to win in larger hoods.

We all have lives outside of Hay Day after all, there will always be times when a player cannot do all/any of their tasks; naturally that risk is higher in a larger hood due to a larger population.

As the risk is greater, the potential horseshoe rewards are also greater; I consider them to be risk relative rewards. Because regardless of whether you finish first in a solo, small or large hood the prize is the same.

However, I also accept your point in that playing solo in a farm game should not be deemed as a bad thing. And that is how the current model operates.

Some middle ground there might be best. Would you be happier with horseshoes to be attainable by hoods of all sizes, but the potential winning and placing rewards to be greater in a larger hood?

Hi Daz

I don't think there should be any difference.

Primarily, people should be able to choose what size NH they enjoy playing in. Hay Day WAS all about playing the way YOU want to play, no set 'right' way.

After that you can choose to Derby or not.

I'm playing against other solo players (it's not always 'fair' as often they have hoodies to help them, but I don't care). I still have to be better/faster/more efficient than 14 other teams to win. Why shouldn't I get the same prizes as any other player? Why shouldn't I get the same Horseshoes as any other player?

I don't currently want to play in an NH. I don't want the chatter, I don't want the obligation/responsibility, I don't want to play to others styles & rules. I just want to play solo. I don't see why this means I can't win Deco playing the Derby.

[PerkyCox]

Great reply Perky, as well as others.

I still stand by my belief that it will dismantle some hoods and result in the creation of more smaller hoods.

I agree with you that making all 9 horseshoes available to every NH in the derby may create some increase in the total number of smaller NHs, but I don't know why that's a bad thing or that the number would be significant.

I have played in solo, small derby hoods and large derby hoods. I have always found it harder to win in larger hoods.

I agree that the more derbyers grabbing tasks off the board the more difficult it may be to get the task you want. I have only ever derbies in this size hood, so I have nothing to compare to. Plus we are somewhat casual derbyers, interested in horseshoes and staying in the CL only.

As the risk is greater, the potential horseshoe rewards are also greater; I consider them to be risk relative rewards. Because regardless of whether you finish first in a solo, small or large hood the prize is the same.

I do not - I consider them to be standard participation rewards. I don't think risk factored into it at the SC level, because how would you quantify that?

However, I also accept your point in that playing solo in a farm game should not be deemed as a bad thing. And that is how the current model operates.

Yeah, and this is the fairness issue I think has chapped me since the derby was released and the impossibility of reaching horsehoe levels was first discussed in the forum.

Some middle ground there might be best. Would you be happier with horseshoes to be attainable by hoods of all sizes, but the potential winning and placing rewards to be greater in a larger hood?

I always like the middle ground -- that usually works for the largest universe of people.

Yes, I would be happier with NHs of all sizes being able to achieve 9 horseshoes, but No, I would not like better prizes doled out to top 3 NHs based on size. That's like taking out half an appendix to fix appendicitis. The ailment here is the unfairness of preventing small neighborhoods from getting all the benefits of the derby that larger NHs enjoy.

I think that derbies can be easy or very very hard at any level, so why should a smaller NH get inferior placing prizes just because it's small?

[daz258]

Hi Daz

I don't think there should be any difference.

Primarily, people should be able to choose what size NH they enjoy playing in. Hay Day WAS all about playing the way YOU want to play, no set 'right' way.

After that you can choose to Derby or not.

I'm playing against other solo players (it's not always 'fair' as often they have hoodies to help them, but I don't care). I still have to be better/faster/more efficient than 14 other teams to win. Why shouldn't I get the same prizes as any other player? Why shouldn't I get the same Horseshoes as any other player?

I don't currently want to play in an NH. I don't want the chatter, I don't want the obligation/responsibility, I don't want to play to others styles & rules. I just want to play solo. I don't see why this means I can't win Deco playing the Derby.

I understand where your coming from.

I am one who is 100% against oppression of a minority (look at at me carry on like a pork chop over us potentially getting a reputation system we don't want - just because the bigger Clash room wants it! )

I want that to stand true in derby - but reward larger hoods at the same time. I concede the current system isn't achieving that as well as it could.

But we need to remember this is a neighborhood derby - it's a team event.

I do not - I consider them to be standard participation rewards. I don't think risk factored into it at the SC level, because how would you quantify that?

Yeah, I agree there are intended as participation rewards to simply be in a larger hood, but I also believe that factors in the higher risk of losing in a larger hood; in a poor roundabout way. More in next paragraph.

I think that derbies can be easy or very very hard at any level, so why should a smaller NH get inferior placing prizes just because it's small?

The greater number of participants in any one team increases the risk of error, their level of risk needs to be compensated.

Perhaps this is my financial background speaking, but if that risk was not rewarded it would be a savage blow to large derby hoods.

Why take on the risk of failure in a large group if you can get the same reward in a much smaller; more organized group?
Why open a restaurant and have 30 employees if you could make the same turnover with a cafe of 5 employees?

I believe that logic must be applied here in some way shape or form. The current horseshoe interpretation is not ideal I agree, but if that was to change something else to reward larger hoods should still exist.

[WussyPuss]

Does anyone know what the minimum amount of derby doers required is for achieving all horseshoes?

i know you cannot reach them all with 1, 2 or 3 opted in, but where does it change?

[JessOfTheDerbyvilles]

Does anyone know what the minimum amount of derby doers required is for achieving all horseshoes?

i know you cannot reach them all with 1, 2 or 3 opted in, but where does it change?

I believe it's 5.

[netsfan101]

wait .... I've never touched HayDay. But do we players of HayDay live in the hood? If so I'm downloading and becoming a true hoodie

[Haystacker]

Here's a question for u large hoods: when was the last time u spent diamonds on any given week to win the derby?

We, smaller hoods, MUST spend diamonds to have a chance at placing top 3. And believe me, there are lots of teams who do all 320 tasks PLUS spend diamonds to do the extra task on a weekly basis

We smaller hood take the derby seriously, probably spend more, but aren't given the chance to get the extra horseshoe because we choose to play in a smaller hood with less drama? Makes no sense to me.

This topic has been discussed at great lengths when the derby came out. All that talk fell on deaf ears. I doubt SC will be swayed to do anything about it now. It took them years to change the last helpers from 2 weeks to 3 days with a simple change of the numeric code. The same can happen here but I won't be holding my breath.

[Jerhunter44]

*Perky*. It was definitely intentional. SC said so in one of the AMA discussions. They *want* us to play in larger NH's. Originally there was going to be a minimum (10 I think) but they decided against that because it discriminated against solo players (and they couldn't be done with the uproar), so instead they've just put in lots of disadvantages of being in a small/tiny NH to 'encourage' bigger NH's - lack of ability to get more than 4 Horseshoe prizes being one of them. However, as Mini said, if it hasn't worked in 3 years...time to admit it hasn't worked.

Just had to address that part I bolded: how on earth were they going to make hoods have a 10 player minimum? Oops, sorry, you can't create a new hood, because you're 1 player and the minimum is 10. Like, that's an awful idea on their part, glad that never came to fruition.

[WussyPuss]

Here's a question for u large hoods: when was the last time u spent diamonds on any given week to win the derby?

We, smaller hoods, MUST spend diamonds to have a chance at placing top 3. And believe me, there are lots teams who do all 320 tasks PLUS spend diamonds to do the extra task on a weekly basis

We smaller hood take the derby seriously, probably spend more, but aren't given the chance to get the extra horseshoe because we choose to play in a smaller hood with less drama? Makes no sense to me.

This topic has been discussed in great lengths when the derby came out. All that talk fell on deaf ears. I doubt SC will be swayed to do anything about it now. It took them years to change the last helpers tab from 2 weeks to 3 days with a simple change of the numeric code. The same can happen here but I won't be holding my breath.

My regular "big" hood had 9 opted in last week. Seven of us did extra task and we finished 4th. The week before, we all did only 9 tasks and won by 12,000 points.

we often need to take extra task, but not always. Sometimes we see that we cannot make top 3 with extra task.

i do understand small hood frustrations. Nothing like looking at a done derby before you finish your first task.

(thanks, Jess)