Forum Reputation System Poll

[MrAnonymous1113]

Which is of course why I asked YOU what evidence YOU hand and pointed out I never saw it. I saw lots of people claiming it would be a problem, yet no one ever was able to point to evidence of it (note, I don't think the occasional undeserved downvote mixed in with a dozen upvotes is a problem). Over and over when someone claimed this big problem was going to happen, I clicked on their profiles and their "big problem" was they got a couple downvotes along with some upvotes too. I do agree with you people got both undeserved downvotes and upvotes, which cancel each other out (or if anything the upvotes outnumbered the downvotes), leaving only those who regularly posted false or toxic posts ending up with anything close to a negative reputation.

You really expect ppl to run around screen shotting or linking something so petty for the sake of evidence? Thats worser than ppl really expecting you to search out a mod just to get a bogus downvote removed. Evidence for a petty thing as a downvote that's funny😂

[JFSoul]

You really expect ppl to run around screen shotting or linking something so petty for the sake of evidence? Thats worser than ppl really expecting you to search out a mod just to get a bogus downvote removed. Evidence for a petty thing as a downvote that's funny

Evidence always helps a discussion when you state something as fact. Many do not t differentiate what is opinion and what is based on direct observation. I doubt anyone would expect a screenshot, but when someone says it happens to them and a person checks it out, it's reasonable to discuss the perspective.

Seems like you are trolling for a fight on this issue and I'm not sure why.

[Martvol]

What would end this debate?

What if only one person got to give rep to a post? First come, first served.
We would not have a guy that had one really good post get 50 upvotes. Nor would we have a guy who said something that wasn't toxic get down voted to Oblivion because people disagreed with his position.

Of coarse this would mean the mods would only get one rep per update thread, not 200.


This would also make the "I don't agree with that down vote I will give you an upvote "harder to do. And maybe won't get 5 sympathy upvotes as well.

There has to be a better way for the community to get involved then this rep system.

[MrAnonymous1113]

Evidence always helps a discussion when you state something as fact. Many do not t differentiate what is opinion and what is based on direct observation. I doubt anyone would expect a screenshot, but when someone says it happens to them and a person checks it out, it's reasonable to discuss the perspective.

Seems like you are trolling for a fight on this issue and I'm not sure why.

People love to say you're trolling because they feel it discredits what you're saying, it is what it is. But if you think people wasn't getting bogus down/up votes you're either in denial or just playing blind to the fact that it went on.

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People love to say you're trolling because they feel it discredits what you're saying, it is what it is. But if you think people wasn't getting bogus down/up votes you're either in denial or just playing blind to the fact.

Nobody is saying it didn't happen. 2222 said outright that it DOES happen. What we're saying is that it isn't a widespread problem like some make it out to be. There's no epidemic of spam voting, and no one is getting downvoted into oblivion over a disagreement.

We're not asking for proof of a bogus downvote. We're asking for proof that someone...ANYone... has been downvoted en masse for posting something unpopular. It hasn't happened, so claiming it's a problem, or that the people here will use it as a tool to silence those with an unpopular opinion is just flat out unfounded.

[MrAnonymous1113]

Nobody is saying it didn't happen. 2222 said outright that it DOES happen. What we're saying is that it isn't a widespread problem like some make it out to be. There's no epidemic of spam voting, and no one is getting downvoted into oblivion over a disagreement.

We're not asking for proof of a bogus downvote. We're asking for proof that someone...ANYone... has been downvoted en masse for posting something unpopular. It hasn't happened, so claiming it's a problem, or that the people here will use it as a tool to silence those with an unpopular opinion is just flat out unfounded.

Thats your opinion just like my opinion is mine. But usually there's smoke before there's a fire. Just like attack strategies, only a few ppl use them at first but once word get out it becomes widespread. If they leave the system in it'll just be a never ending popularity contest & a tool for ppl to abuse others with.

[JFSoul]

People love to say you're trolling because they feel it discredits what you're saying, it is what it is. But if you think people wasn't getting bogus down/up votes you're either in denial or just playing blind to the fact that it went on.

Not saying "bogus" votes didn't happen, or will not happen...saying this:

Nobody is saying it didn't happen. 2222 said outright that it DOES happen. What we're saying is that it isn't a widespread problem like some make it out to be. There's no epidemic of spam voting, and no one is getting downvoted into oblivion over a disagreement.

We're not asking for proof of a bogus downvote. We're asking for proof that someone...ANYone... has been downvoted en masse for posting something unpopular. It hasn't happened, so claiming it's a problem, or that the people here will use it as a tool to silence those with an unpopular opinion is just flat out unfounded.

[BabeRuth]

What would end this debate?

What if only one person got to give rep to a post? First come, first served.
We would not have a guy that had one really good post get 50 upvotes. Nor would we have a guy who said something that wasn't toxic get down voted to Oblivion because people disagreed with his position.

Of coarse this would mean the mods would only get one rep per update thread, not 200.


This would also make the "I don't agree with that down vote I will give you an upvote "harder to do. And maybe won't get 5 sympathy upvotes as well.

There has to be a better way for the community to get involved then this rep system.

Interesting... first come, first served. similar to stealing war-stars.
Its ceretainly brings to mind changes to how several community members will adjust their use of the forum.

[2222]

You really expect ppl to run around screen shotting or linking something so petty for the sake of evidence? Thats worser than ppl really expecting you to search out a mod just to get a bogus downvote removed. Evidence for a petty thing as a downvote that's funny

I didn't ask for screen shots. I never said there was never an instance of abuse of the system, only that I didn't see it myself. I do ask those who claim everything is horrible to at least give us some examples or evidence to support the claim. I don't think that is unreasonable. I'm open to having my mind change but not if the argument is "because I say so." I would need to see some actual examples of the downvote causing more problems than benefits to consider changing my own impression, which is that it is better to have it than not have it.

Edit: and, yes, I have specifically said incorrect downvotes happen. I received two myself. However, the incorrect upvotes usually outnumbered them, resulting in the only people having a bad reputation were people who regularly and consistently posted rude or false comments. If someone gives you a downvote simply because they disagree with your opinion, that is wrong, but so is the upvote from the person for nothing other than agreeing with your opinion.

I don't have all the right answers, I just have in my opinion seen more terrible threads and toxic posts after the downvote was removed. I will take the chance of getting a few unreasonable downvotes in order to reduce that.

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Thats your opinion just like my opinion is mine.

There can't be an opinion regarding undeserved mass downvotes. It either happened or it didn't. You can't choose to believe it the way it didn't happen and back it up by saying it's an opinion. That's not how logic and debate work

But usually there's smoke before there's a fire. Just like attack strategies, only a few ppl use them at first but once word get out it becomes widespread.

It isn't at all like attack strategies. Good attack strategies help people. Abusing the rep system doesn't get you anything long term except an infraction from the mods, or worse. One undeserved downvote may go unnoticed, but five or ten won't. It violates the rules to abuse the system, and the violators will be punished according to rule #20. Further, the lost reputation can be fixed by the mods. So what would be accomplished?

If they leave the system in it'll just be a never ending popularity contest & a tool for ppl to abuse others with.

This is unfounded speculation at best. Though we've pretty much run that into the ground at this point

If you want to actually have a discussion about this, you need to provide evidence of your claim. Some sort of tangible observation. As it stands, your entire argument boils down to not wanting the rep system because of some possible negative outcome that you think might happen down the line, despite not having a substantial reason for believing it.

Now, you are totally entitled to the opinion about not wanting the rep system. I respect that, as I've respected the dozens of people that agree with you. But you can't state something purely hypothetical as fact. That's fear mongering in this case, that's what that is. It's a shady way to get people on your side