bringing a partial perma/max lineup to war (kids dont try this at home)

[littledoctor]

But we're not talking about a clan of all max th9s matching "some 10s, some 9s, and some 8s." No one has a problem with that. What we ARE talking about, as described by the OP, is a clan of mostly all maxed 9/10 bases meeting 6 th11s and a joke of an engineered clan with 4 max wardens who runs them over and 100%s them with ease. There is a decided difference between those two scenarios.

That's why I described both scenarios in my comment. They both apply, in different ways, to the principle of realistic expectations, as contrasted with blaming people.

And if players should "expect to run into engineered clans on a regular basis," with the only means of competing with them being incumbent upon "how much you are doing to outmatch the other side," I.e., engineering oneself, then supercell should expect their player base to dwindle and it's probably time I visit the App Store and start looking for a better game.

I guess they should then, but I find adapting to be more fun than quitting. YMMV (and apparently does).

Edit: we'll know supercell embraces engineering when they provide a path for max TH11 to become lopsided: TH12 with no new defense, only new offense.

[Tomville]

Edit: we'll know supercell embraces engineering when they provide a path for max TH11 to become lopsided: TH12 with no new defense, only new offense.

Well actually we already know they don't embrace engineering, as they've already said that clearly: they wish to reduce the advantage of what they call "lopsided bases" in matchmaking. Adding a th12, were they to do that, would in fact show nothing. Don't kid yourself that Supercell don't see it as an issue to address and remedy. "Adapting" may end up meaning giving up on not building key defences or manicuring offence as a strategy.

[Krastor]

That's why I described both scenarios in my comment. They both apply, in different ways, to the principle of realistic expectations, as contrasted with blaming people.



I guess they should then, but I find adapting to be more fun than quitting. YMMV (and apparently does).

Edit: we'll know supercell embraces engineering when they provide a path for max TH11 to become lopsided: TH12 with no new defense, only new offense.

With this logic, what are gonna do when their is no one else to play with but engineers without defences? Tie every single war at 100%? Doesn't sound like how supercell invisioned their tower defence type game to be played does it? This is the only game in this genre that allows you to be the best by having the weakest defence possible and strong attack strength.

[littledoctor]

With this logic, what are gonna do when their is no one else to play with but engineers without defences?

We'll have tons of fun playing exciting wars!

Edit: engineers aren't without defenses.

Tie every single war at 100%? Doesn't sound like how supercell invisioned their tower defence type game to be played does it?

Doesn't sound like you have done many wars in an engineered clan does it?

[MossackFonseca]

I agree with first part, but strongly disagree with the second. The guidelines are not working (at least for us)
We get an engineered clan every second or third war and all we have maxed are 2 th10s and 1 th9, rest of the bases are half way done (th10s with lvl1 or lvl2 infernos and 20+ heroes or th9s with lvl10+ heroes and xbows) we do 25x25 or 30x30 wars.
We also tried th spreads from th6-t10, th7-10 and th8-th10, in all cases the statistics of engineered clan every second or third war remained the same

Yes, people may upgrade their bases as they wish (we all know what engineered bases are made for) but NO supercell should not ignore it and let it break their game. If people get such "fair" matches on a regular basis (once a week for us as we war almost back to back) - something must be done. They did a good job in eliminating 3rd party tools to make the wars fair, but allowed this to happen which in my opinion is as "fair" as using 3rd party tools and perhaps even widely spread than the 3rd party was back than.

The MM must be corrected, i don't blame the people who found the bugs and exploited them, i do blame the developers and company administration in not fixing this.
Think of it as an exploit in operating system for example - when such found a hotfix is released. If it's not released the company is the one to blame, not the users - same here.

Thank you for having me over, BlackDragonD. I didn't see anything too egregious in your past 2 wars, your most recent war you hit a high th11 on top but otherwise nothing crazy. The war before that you hit several th11 but they were really really rushed and you guys smoked them. Renegade Knight mentioned that you guys get some that are much weirder though, hit me up when you see some really bad ones.

As far as explanation of your current matchups, your lineup in most recent war was very balanced I thought but #7 needs infernos with 13 th10 troops upgraded and #16 should have xbows by now. In the past you could easily get away with both of those, but the recent mm changes have me leery of even 1 or 2 unbalanced bases like that. In your war before last, diablo is 90k and you have a th7 sitting at 39k, your opponent was highly rushed and easily dispatched as I mentioned above, but sometimes running that big of a spread between top and bottom can draw you an unfavorable mismatch, too. And fyi, I'm not saying that I'd exclude the th7 from wars, my clan often runs 1-3 .5 bases or a bit too much of a spread, but you might use this information as an incentive to the th7 to upgrade his defenses/th to get a bit closer to diablo.

I did also mention that with 1 or more very highly upgraded th10's, it's not uncommon at all to draw a full, even 100% max, th11, or a couple of less developed th11's. That's just the luck of the draw there, I've seen that happen every time I've maxed out my main or had others in clan max out at th8, then th9, then th10.

[MossackFonseca]

I agree with that for the most part. In our last war the other clan had 2 th11's against my clans lone TH11 (me), and I thought nothing of it. Not a problem, just dumb luck of the draw.

We did have one whopper of a matchup a couple weeks back, worst I've personally experienced, where they had 3 TH11s to our 1, 2 extra TH10s and an extra TH9 which goes a long way in a 20 man war; they weren't at a real defensive disadvantage either. But even that matchup wasn't as bad as the one offered by the OP in this thread wherein his clan had 12 warden attacks (8 of them maxed wardens) to the other clans none. The match Warios described is ridiculous as well, those matches should never happen.

You should ask Warios about that matchup, it was literally ♥♥♥♥♥♥ed. I do not think that the old mm would have spit out a match like that for them, there have definitely been some changes recently.

[MossackFonseca]

Totally disagree with the "not balanced". a maxed account is the most balanced an account can be, other then when you land on a new TH. Otherwise the game is completely broken. By extension, a war roster of the most balanced account is also balanced. May not be normal, you have stats to back up the claim though? I dont think so.

You probably mean to say, a roster full of maxed accounts is unusual versus the demographics of what other rosters are searching. This could be said of almost any roster though. I hope so. Otherwise you are just making ♥♥♥♥ up with no evidence.

I'm sure that he said exactly what he meant to say. Unlike you, he actually spends time thinking before posting random ♥♥♥♥ on the forums.

First, I agree that the "how not to match engineers" bible always posted is a bunch of hogwash.

I haven't seen you posting in that thread. Where are your ideas?

No one knows how to upgrade anymore. It's causing too much confusion & quits, especially for 9.5s & 10s.

9.5's don't know how to upgrade?? They made it to th10 already, do you think that they forgot how to farm? Why don't they just, you know, gather some gold, elixer, and dark, and spend it on upgrades? You talk like an engineer. I guess that explains why you don't like threads that help to explain how to build a balanced clan...

Doesn't sound like you have done many wars in an engineered clan does it?

I know of numerous engineered clans that have won hundreds in a row...what you meant to say was that he has not done many wars in a badly engineered clan, right?

[Warios]

Well we decided to run a 40:40 war, we have 9 th10's all with IT, they have 5 EA, 9 bases with IT's, and then 10 more combined th10&11 spread out amongst the th9's, rounding out the bottom with 4 th8.2th7, and 2 th4.

will get a better breakdown on war day, when i can see def weights.

[samratulangi]

Well we decided to run a 40:40 war, we have 9 th10's all with IT, they have 5 EA, 9 bases with IT's, and then 10 more combined th10&11 spread out amongst the th9's, rounding out the bottom with 4 th8.2th7, and 2 th4.

will get a better breakdown on war day, when i can see def weights.

Do you have Hero advantage? if not then is it just a simply roster Engineering?

[OnyxDS]

Well we decided to run a 40:40 war, we have 9 th10's all with IT, they have 5 EA, 9 bases with IT's, and then 10 more combined th10&11 spread out amongst the th9's, rounding out the bottom with 4 th8.2th7, and 2 th4.

will get a better breakdown on war day, when i can see def weights.

Is that engineering or just rushed? When your TH10s are facing multiple EAs that sounds like rushed for 2 reasons:
- the huge weight of the EA means that something else pretty drastic has to be deficient to make that balance
- engineers don't build EA at all