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[rwelshjr]

You do not have the right to illegally access other people's accounts. That is not a human right and your conflating of the two shows that you understand neither human rights nor the law.

As it is a criminal offence (S1, Computer Misuse Act, 1990 in the UK, CFAA for you as I suspect that you are from the US), suing would not be necessary as restitution would be part of the sentence. Prosecutions, far from being laughed out of court, have been successfully made under these instruments. That said, SC would never implement something that was illegal so the point is moot.

If you wish for your time not be wasted by others then stop allowing them to waste it. As you have said that you choose not to do that all I can say is you made your bed, now lie in it.

you are not getting it Aspex..

Human rights = things he wants
Violations of human rights = things he doesnt want
no one listens to him = they are messed up
no one agrees with him = everybody else is wrong
leadership = having the tools and powers to force others to your will

hope this helps.

[Chuckt]

If you want to talk numbers we first need to know how many clans in COC overall but they dont give that out.

I ask you to prove knowledge of 100,000 clans since you made the statement.; Not to ask Clash of Clans to provide information and then for you to assign your reasoning to it without proof.

[Chuckt]

you are not getting it Aspex..

Human rights = things he wants
Violations of human rights = things he doesnt want
no one listens to him = they are messed up
no one agrees with him = everybody else is wrong
leadership = having the tools and powers to force others to your will

hope this helps.

That is not what you said earlier.

a boss tells people what to do, a manager gets people to want to follow their guidance.
a boss sees himself as an authority over others, a manager sees himself as a team mate with extra administrative duties.
a boss thinks his people's job is to serve him, a manager thinks his job is to enable his people to succeed.
a boss tells, a manager listens (this is a biggie and my sense is listening skills are weak for the OP)
a boss blames his people if they are not good fits. A manager sees it as his fault if he does not have the peopke that best fit.

https://forum.supercell.com/showthre...=1#post9967776

Contradictory advice.

[Aspex]

We're not accessing their account. We are accessing their base. There is a difference. In order for Clash of Clans to use their base on the internet, they have to be granted rights to it. Just like if it was illegal to access their base, their base should not be allowed to show up in my game.

Second of all, the elixer collectors generate elixer for free. If theft was an issue then anyone battling in Clash of Clans would be guilty of a crime for stealing elixer. And since I can buy elixer and have it stolen because someone battles me, you can take them to court already if you wish. But since filing fees are greater than what some pay in a month, most player wouldn't file a court challenge and then they would be seen as arguing over a game when they wouldn't win because there is a law that "it is their mutual responsibility" which in this case is to play by the rules of the clan.

The base is the account. It is one thing for the base to be available for others to attack and take resources from in a multiplayer game that is all about attacking bases, it is something completely different for you to take access to that account​ to make changes, build troops, buy and spend gems, etc, etc. One is gameplay, the other is illegal.

You are far past disingenuousness at this point. I strongly suspect, as the most charitable interpretation of your posts, that you are trolling so I am done with wasting time on you.

[Aspex]

you are not getting it Aspex..

Human rights = things he wants
Violations of human rights = things he doesnt want
no one listens to him = they are messed up
no one agrees with him = everybody else is wrong
leadership = having the tools and powers to force others to your will

hope this helps.

Sadly, I think that you are right.

That is not what you said earlier.



https://forum.supercell.com/showthre...=1#post9967776

Contradictory advice.

*Whoooosh*

[Chuckt]

The base is the account. It is one thing for the base to be available for others to attack and take resources from in a multiplayer game that is all about attacking bases, it is something completely different for you to take access to that account​ to make changes, build troops, buy and spend gems, etc, etc. One is gameplay, the other is illegal.

You are far past disingenuousness at this point. I strongly suspect, as the most charitable interpretation of your posts, that you are trolling so I am done with wasting time on you.

I disagree. A troll is someone who riles people up to make them mad for the purpose alone of making others upset.

I have an interest in having our clan operate in harmony.
I came asking for help. In a lot of instances, I was the one riled up or told I was wrong.

I was asking for help and in order to make my case, I had to use argumentation.
In almost every case, I was told I was wrong.

I am just asking players to relate, see things my way and offer assistance.

Do you want to talk about management? I had a boss who was a manager and I asked him about being a manager. I took notes but he said:

Listen to their complaint. Settle it within reason. Pay particular attention to their grievances. Iron out the differences.
Most of the time it is the misunderstanding of the customer. Compromise but don't give in totally.
Keep them calm. Ask them to wait while you get your assistant."

Where have you tried to see things my way? Where have you tried to relate? Where have you tried to iron out the differences? Sometimes you have to bend to be a good manager. Where have you managed?

[rwelshjr]

We're not accessing their account. We are accessing their base. There is a difference. In order for Clash of Clans to use their base on the internet, they have to be granted rights to it. Just like if it was illegal to access their base, their base should not be allowed to show up in my game.

Second of all, the elixer collectors generate elixer for free. If theft was an issue then anyone battling in Clash of Clans would be guilty of a crime for stealing elixer. And since I can buy elixer and have it stolen because someone battles me, you can take them to court already if you wish. But since filing fees are greater than what some pay in a month, most player wouldn't file a court challenge and then they would be seen as arguing over a game when they wouldn't win because there is a law that "it is their mutual responsibility" which in this case is to play by the rules of the clan.

before I continue I want to point out that this is why silly debates on the forum are the answer to all those guys saying its too hard waiting for the end of prep day.

In COC a persons account manifests itself as a base but its really an account. It is 'theirs' and it is not 'yours'. Regardless of how they got anything in that base either from gameplay or buying gems its all 'theirs'. You do not have rights to it no matter how important you think being leader makes you.

[rwelshjr]

I disagree. A troll is someone who riles people up to make them mad for the purpose alone of making others upset.

I have an interest in having our clan operate in harmony.
I came asking for help. In a lot of instances, I was the one riled up or told I was wrong.

I was asking for help and in order to make my case, I had to use argumentation.
In almost every case, I was told I was wrong.

I am just asking players to relate, see things my way and offer assistance.

Do you want to talk about management? I had a boss who was a manager and I asked him about being a manager. I took notes but he said:



Where have you tried to see things my way? Where have you tried to relate? Where have you tried to iron out the differences? Sometimes you have to bend to be a good manager. Where have you managed?

i think you boss was trying to gently tell you that you had no clue about management. It sounds like you have a lack of listening skills that he was frustrated with. You speak past tense which could imply that job eventually came to an end.

you have gotten plenty of good quality help here. It has been in the form of advising you how to be a good manager and leader. But as you rejected it and continued to fail to grasp it that advice did shift to suggesting you stop trying to be a leader and go learn first how to be a good member. One cannot learn lead if they dont first learn how to follow. It has been observed here (and apparently by managers in the past) that you do not know how to follow.

Your mental block has appeared to be a subborn refusal to see anything other than a need to have more power in order to lead. You think power is the key to respect. You do not understand that to earn respect you first have to give respect. Its evident because you have failed to respect the people on this forum in your quest to gain powers you can use in lieu of having respect in your clan.

as far as your complaint at how many people have told you that you are wrong...is there any way you could possibly consider the possibility that you actually are in fact, wrong?

[Guscleatus]

This has been entertaining. Poor chuck will never grasp he is his own management problem but that won't stop everyone from trying to let him know. Sometimes you just have to accept, some people will never come around.

[Somethingnotalreadypicked]

This has been entertaining. Poor chuck will never grasp he is his own management problem but that won't stop everyone from trying to let him know. Sometimes you just have to accept, some people will never come around.

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Chuck please answer a question for me. If you have a persistent problem that does not go away but many others do not have the same problem how is it anyone else's fault but your own?