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    Quote Originally Posted by evertonjeff View Post
    Alex, I love you as a moderator but no matter what the guy has or hasn't done I believe this post maybe in breach of forum rule 19?



    I think it is an exception to the rule as Alex was just being transparent about why the guy was banned. If he was not transparent about this other people may perceive the ban as being something Alex played a part in. Transparency is key to a fair policing of any system.

    I'm also not sure it constitutes a breach of the rule in any event. Alex has explained why he was banned, he is not discussing it as such.

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    Does getting negative rep really matter? You basically get it from people who disagree with you. That is not what it is supposed to be for but that's how it works. You won't banned for having negative rep as long as your posts are legit and within the rules.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Damiz View Post
    I think it is an exception to the rule as Alex was just being transparent about why the guy was banned. If he was not transparent about this other people may perceive the ban as being something Alex played a part in. Transparency is key to a fair policing of any system.

    I'm also not sure it constitutes a breach of the rule in any event. Alex has explained why he was banned, he is not discussing it as such.
    By explaining why he was banned IS discussing the ban. I am in no way having a go at Alex here as I said I think he is a great mod. And if Alex had something to do with it so what that is his job.

    But it can't be one rule for one and another for another.

    There is simply no transparency to this rule. You can't talk about bans. The transparency is he was banned ergo he did something against the rules simple.



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    Quote Originally Posted by evertonjeff View Post
    By explaining why he was banned IS discussing the ban. I am in no way having a go at Alex here as I said I think he is a great mod. And if Alex had something to do with it so what that is his job.

    But it can't be one rule for one and another for another.

    There is simply no transparency to this rule. You can't talk about bans. The transparency is he was banned ergo he did something against the rules simple.
    I think we can agree that some people in power in all walks of life abuse that power to their own advantage. I think all that Alex has done is made sure that anybody that thinks he may have abused his powers is mistaken. The guy was banned after all soon after he and Alex where in the throws of a disagreement.

    I don't read much more into it than that.

    No doubt Alex will give his own views and edit his post if he feels it necessary

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    Quote Originally Posted by evertonjeff View Post
    By explaining why he was banned IS discussing the ban. I am in no way having a go at Alex here as I said I think he is a great mod. And if Alex had something to do with it so what that is his job.

    But it can't be one rule for one and another for another.

    There is simply no transparency to this rule. You can't talk about bans. The transparency is he was banned ergo he did something against the rules simple.
    . I have to agree with Evertonjeff on this one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Damiz View Post
    I think we can agree that some people in power in all walks of life abuse that power to their own advantage. I think all that Alex has done is made sure that anybody that thinks he may have abused his powers is mistaken. The guy was banned after all soon after he and Alex where in the throws of a disagreement.

    I don't read much more into it than that.

    No doubt Alex will give his own views and edit his post if he feels it necessary
    . I would like to know who did not think that one should be banned. I thought it would be sooner. It isn't about abuse of power in banning on this one. But this is dangerously close if not crossing the line of discussing mod action so with this post I am out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Martvol View Post
    . I have to agree with Evertonjeff on this one.
    I am not disagreeing per se - Just explaining my understanding of why I think Alex posted what he did.

    Anyways no doubt Alex will amend his post if he feels it necessary

    Edit: Yep I agree Martv - will leave this particular issue where it lies - don't want to be also caught out crossing the line
    Last edited by Damiz; March 6th, 2017 at 04:34 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Damiz View Post
    I think we can agree that some people in power in all walks of life abuse that power to their own advantage. I think all that Alex has done is made sure that anybody that thinks he may have abused his powers is mistaken. The guy was banned after all soon after he and Alex where in the throws of a disagreement.

    I don't read much more into it than that.

    No doubt Alex will give his own views and edit his post if he feels it necessary
    I agree with the first one, that people in power do often abuse said power. And I also understand why Alex said it however, if he did abuse his power I am sure that he would have been reprimanded.

    IMHO no matter the situation I don't believe that mods should be able to discuss bans regardless of the reasoning. And although I think bans should be allowed to be talked about the fact is they aren't.

    And as above this is the last I will speak of it
    Last edited by evertonjeff; March 6th, 2017 at 04:36 PM.



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    Quote Originally Posted by evertonjeff View Post
    By explaining why he was banned IS discussing the ban. I am in no way having a go at Alex here as I said I think he is a great mod. And if Alex had something to do with it so what that is his job.

    But it can't be one rule for one and another for another.

    There is simply no transparency to this rule. You can't talk about bans. The transparency is he was banned ergo he did something against the rules simple.
    Mods discuss their own actions all the time, explaining why they have closed threads, moved them, etc, etc. I see this as providing openness so that we users do not feel that we are under an autocratic dictatorship who take actions on a whim.

    As mods operate as a collective (think Borg and interchangeable drones) a comment by one is a comment by all, thus mods could be said to comment on each others actions when they refer to their own.

    Ok, I'll admit that that's a bit of a tortuous stretch there, I lost it somewhat....

    Edit: Oops, am late to the party and everyone else has left. I'll get my coat.
    Last edited by Aspex; March 6th, 2017 at 04:58 PM.

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    I really doubt this makes it past the 60 day trial. I don't think it has been utilized as anticipated. Although they might make some tweaks to make it more usable how it was intended to be.

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