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Thread: Why matchmaking needs a fix sooner rather than later

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    People should really post pictures of what they think is an unfair match. Personally, i war at primarily th11 so I do not run into these problems. That being said, I have been in my fair share of engineered clans with my mini accounts and even then, the matches I see there are not THAT unfair.

    Post some proof people... not just hearsay

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExclusiveInvicta View Post
    Is this some accusation lol?


    Correct your statement to EX-modders and maybe you will be correct. Mods are too risky now.
    risky

    yes but you have been doing it right

    copy enemy base go to random clan mod there return

    i am sure you have a twitter account right?

    because it's all over twitter lol

    i hope soon SC takes a look into it

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrJackrabbit View Post
    Again you have engineering experience also? I dont think youve mentioned it. It you do please let me know but again from my 2+ years excerience in both yes it is an illusion. Wake up and see what is really going on. Again both sides have their own struggles. Both sides win and lose. Both sides can tinker away to fix the issue without the need for SC to come in and change it for us.
    SC definitely has to come in and fix it. And i also have 2+ years experience, with a th11 and 3 th9 accounts, with combined hero totals of 201. So i consider myself qualified to speak about gameplay. And I just got out of a war that we COULDN'T win. That should never happen in 2017. Every clan should be able to attack n defend to a win, in every single war it engages in. Once that goal is accomplished, I wont have to come to these forums.
    Last edited by daddylindo; January 17th, 2017 at 03:28 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LieutenantRED View Post
    risky

    yes but you have been doing it right

    copy enemy base go to random clan mod there return

    i am sure you have a twitter account right?

    because it's all over twitter lol

    i hope soon SC takes a look into it
    I used to mod but stopped around September 2016 ish. A little before the permanent bans actually, so I lucked out pretty hard lol. I do not have twitter btw, could you link me to some?

    Also, how do you copy the enemy base and mod with the 24 hour timer and preparation day unless you are spying?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roas View Post

    TH10_____TH10
    TH10_____TH10
    TH10_____TH10
    TH10_____TH10
    TH9______TH9
    TH8______TH8
    TH7______TH8
    TH6______TH8
    TH11_____TH7
    TH3______TH7

    Top is matches pretty well, that TH11 if rushed so it got TH7 or TH8 troops and spells would make this war go forward, if that TH11 has unlocked TH9-TH11 troops or spells, then that match just won't happen...
    This example already won't happen. TH11, even if defenseless, doesn't draw a th7. Don't be fooled by mirror comparison.
    It's always the closet engineers that are the most bitter. Trying to maintain a righteous pose while doing exactly what they claim to hate, lashing out at anyone that points out the obvious.

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    Also to people talking about unwinnable wars...

    about a week ago we ran into a 66 win streak clan and were at a big disadvantage... yet we won 89-84

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    Quote Originally Posted by daddylindo View Post
    SC definitely has to come in and fix it. And i also have 2+ years experience, with a th11 and 3 th9 accounts, with combined hero totals of 201. So i consider myself qualified to speak about gameplay. And I just got out of a war that we COULDN'T win. That should never happen in 2017. Every clan should be able to attack n defend to a win, in every single war it engages in. Once that goal is accomplished, I wont have to come to these forums.
    I read about that. One war. I did too just had a war i couldnt win. The 1st one is the past 78 wars. So 2 in 79 matchups being bad sounds like its 97.5% good matchups then. 97.5% would be an A pretty much anywhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ElectroWizzard View Post
    It is certainly a difficult situation. How does a computer program determine the difference between a low weight base at the bottom that is put there so the player could be in war, and the one that was put there to intentionally attempt to skew MM. At some point the program has to make a choice and that choice will either give an advantage to both clans or punish both clans.
    I'm not suggesting TH3 junk on the bottom needs to be penalised though - just take a realistic account of how much difference it makes to the war. Which is none at all. Those bottom bases would still be considered when checking mirrors to see if the clans are similar, so would count as some dissimilarity. But the bottom should be ignored completely when checking the overall clan total. So there wouldn't be a tendency to stick a TH11 on top for the bottom-stacked clan to 'balance up'.
    If we're TH10-8 and we included a TH3 to make up the numbers I'd expect them to match to a TH8 and be happy with it. That's my choice in sticking in a junk base.

    Quote Originally Posted by TankSinatra View Post
    We don't all agree on that at all. I think its the best its ever been, though still flawed, and unlikely to improve much. I keep asking "when has matchmaking ever been better" and the only response I've gotten is "for a brief moment before the release of th11, but otherwise its the best its ever been". When do YOU think the MM has been better?
    2015. Most of 2015. They rebalanced offence and defence to be equal sometime early 2015, and the time from then onwards was best. Actually, for us, pretty much until March 2016, although I know that for clans very heavy on TH10s, the introduction of TH11 with a very small population of them made MM at that end very screwy for a while.
    During that time we would have an almost perfect TH match every time in 40v wars (which appear to be a much smaller population and harder to match from the cocp.it data). There would often be a 1 or 2 base discrepancy in the middle where we went from TH8 to TH9 - but that doesn't make a huge difference to the war. We wouldn't be outnumbered 2-6 on TH10s or whatever - unless they were comedy rushers, in which case the war probably was actually balanced.

    Upthread someone said you've just lost a 10 win streak. I know that's frustrating, but its a cliche in this forum that someone drops by with a low post count, 'we lost a war something must be done!' with a new idea that we've been arguing about for years. But the fact that you made it to 10 without engineering largely invalidates your argument. If less than one in ten wars are unwinnable, the matchmaker is doing fine given the serious constraints of the game.
    Well, if that's the metric, early-mid 2015 we were usually doing 20-odd, with one 50+. By just before October 2016 that had dropped to about 3 or 4 typically before we got smacked in the face by defenceless TH11s. It has gotten better since then, and perhaps better again since December - we haven't been massively roster engineered since, but that might just be luck. However I've seen other wars that seemed to be a non-starter due to roster, such as...

    Quote Originally Posted by MrJackrabbit View Post
    Again you have engineering experience also? I dont think youve mentioned it. It you do please let me know but again from my 2+ years excerience in both yes it is an illusion. Wake up and see what is really going on. Again both sides have their own struggles. Both sides win and lose. Both sides can tinker away to fix the issue without the need for SC to come in and change it for us.
    I went to see DaddyLindo's last match, that he was complaining about. It was unwinnable. His clan could have closed the score a little, but couldn't win unless the enemy were total morons. As you'd expect, the enemy had IIRC 5 zero weight bases on the bottom out of 25.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrJackrabbit View Post
    I read about that. One war. I did too just had a war i couldnt win. The 1st one is the past 78 wars. So 2 in 79 matchups being bad sounds like its 97.5% good matchups then. 97.5% would be an A pretty much anywhere.
    Its not 1, we have 6 losses in the last 2 months. Of those 6, i consider 4 of them as unfair advantages. 2 of those 4 were EGREGIOUS. But 4 of them they had junk on bottom to clean lowers, and then they had sheer brute strength up top which led to too many extra attacks WHERE IT MATTERED, not the sister mary francis th9's without xbows. They had max th11 heroes. Stacked 9.5's on our 9's with monster heroes. The other 2 we lost, one of them we let slip away but it was fair. And the last one they had a minimal slight advantage but I wont call it unfair. So there is a pattern going on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExclusiveInvicta View Post
    I used to mod but stopped around September 2016 ish. A little before the permanent bans actually, so I lucked out pretty hard lol. I do not have twitter btw, could you link me to some?

    Also, how do you copy the enemy base and mod with the 24 hour timer and preparation day unless you are spying?
    If you're asking this question... your a troll account. Or not really part of Invicta/EE/ whatever current alliance is in place. Certainly not running with the likes of the heavies over there- otherwise you'd know exactly what the drill is. Maybe you're just playing possum.

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