Why matchmaking needs a fix sooner rather than later

[SinOfDusk]

wow your clan is similar to ours without mortar bases, what is your clan tag, i really want to see it if possible

Sorry, classified Even needed permission to release our base datas

This Is why I don't believe there is a possible way to avoid engineering clans. The them clan did everything that everyone has been preaching to avoid engineering clans. Minimum town hall spread, no .5s or engineering on their side, all defenses built, ect. Yet here they are facing this.

I ask, what else could have been done to avoid this matchup?

Never max a TH level. We hunt specifically clans that have a few perma-maxers and use our additional high TH accounts to perform a massacre. Their #3 to #10 (8 bases) were maxed TH8 defenses and had quite decent walls. Many of the TH8s being in Masters and 1 in Champs, proved worthless

Don't build crossbows when your heroes are merely 10/10 and certainly not when they are 10/3.

Our heroes are 10/10 to 10/1 as well, and we're doing fine. We have our top 5 with xbows and 4th tesla, 4th WT so that TH8s cannot easily 3 star us despite much weaker defenses

[daddylindo]

Sorry, classified Even needed permission to release our base datas



Never max a TH level. We hunt specifically clans that have a few perma-maxers and use our additional high TH accounts to perform a massacre. Their #3 to #10 (8 bases) were maxed TH8 defenses and had quite decent walls. Many of the TH8s being in Masters and 1 in Champs, proved worthless



Our heroes are 10/10 to 10/1 as well, and we're doing fine. We have our top 5 with xbows and 4th tesla, 4th WT so that TH8s cannot easily 3 star us despite much weaker defenses

Sounds like ya got it all figured out sin. All peaches n cream for your clan

[Kenchafer]

Sorry, classified Even needed permission to release our base datas



Never max a TH level. We hunt specifically clans that have a few perma-maxers and use our additional high TH accounts to perform a massacre. Their #3 to #10 (8 bases) were maxed TH8 defenses and had quite decent walls. Many of the TH8s being in Masters and 1 in Champs, proved worthless



Our heroes are 10/10 to 10/1 as well, and we're doing fine. We have our top 5 with xbows and 4th tesla, 4th WT so that TH8s cannot easily 3 star us despite much weaker defenses

So, you hunted them? Goes to show there is no way to avoid engineering then. Might as well hang up my war gloves as I'm sick of seeing engineering.

[2222]

So, you hunted them? Goes to show there is no way to avoid engineering then. Might as well hang up my war gloves as I'm sick of seeing engineering.

If you have a balanced clan (not engineered) without a huge spread of hall levels, you won't see much engineering. Let's say 2 out of every 10 wars you see a really good engineered clan that beats you. Those two wars aren't much fun, but the other 8 are good. You quit wars completely because of those 2 bad ones? (just as an example)

[daddylindo]

If you have a balanced clan (not engineered) without a huge spread of hall levels, you won't see much engineering. Let's say 2 out of every 10 wars you see a really good engineered clan that beats you. Those two wars aren't much fun, but the other 8 are good. You quit wars completely because of those 2 bad ones? (just as an example)

Yeah it is deflating, maxers like winstreaks too. We can never get one going because on like the 8th or 9th war we run into a complete offensive overmatch. I feel like we can win 100 in a row if we had toe to toe matchups

[Kenchafer]

If you have a balanced clan (not engineered) without a huge spread of hall levels, you won't see much engineering. Let's say 2 out of every 10 wars you see a really good engineered clan that beats you. Those two wars aren't much fun, but the other 8 are good. You quit wars completely because of those 2 bad ones? (just as an example)

Only problem is I don't see any good engineering clans that can beat me. No, I'm quitting war because I've grown tired of fighting ♥♥♥♥ bases that offer no challenge. I get tired of fighting weak bases so I upgraded and dropped every defense to pull in stronger opponents.

My clan's record is 32-2. One loss to roster engineering, other one was on me as I failed to pull a higher % against my opponent. Second loss was on me but I was outgunned on the first war thanks to 3 th3s at the bottom giving the other 7 a nice advantage over my entire line up.

[Chang405]

Yeah it is deflating, maxers like winstreaks too. We can never get one going because on like the 8th or 9th war we run into a complete offensive overmatch. I feel like we can win 100 in a row if we had toe to toe matchups

If you win 100 in a row you are most certainly not having toe to toe matchups. In a toe to toe matchup both sides should have an even chance to win. 100 is a large enough sample size that the laws of probability dictates that if you win all the time the odds are definitely not even.

I have seen some argue that a truly even matchup should allow both clans to theoretically perfect war each other. A tie would also break your 100 win in a row.

[posthoc]

Might also point out that Sin is talking about lower-th engineering, specifically exploiting the HUGE jump in offensive strength from th8 to th9 by taking advantage of it, yet keeping his clan's weight low by not dropping xbows.

Personally I don't have a problem with this; we also run a number of 8.5s, most of whom have much bigger heroes, up to 27/26 even.

Is this "allowed", or are we required to drop xbows before hitting 30/30 to be "balanced"?
What is balance?
Should we have dropped xbows long ago in the interest of balance?
Should we pay even the slightest bit of attention to someone outside the clan trying to dictate our upgrade order?
Is my discourse degenerating into a string of obviously rhetorical questions?

[daddylindo]

If you win 100 in a row you are most certainly not having toe to toe matchups. In a toe to toe matchup both sides should have an even chance to win. 100 is a large enough sample size that the laws of probability dictates that if you win all the time the odds are definitely not even.

I have seen some argue that a truly even matchup should allow both clans to theoretically perfect war each other. A tie would also break your 100 win in a row.

Im not talking about perfect wars. Im talking about getting more stars and / or percentage on equal sided town halls with comparable heroes on each side

[Chang405]

Im not talking about perfect wars. Im talking about getting more stars and / or percentage on equal sided town halls with comparable heroes on each side

Perfect wars aside, if each side had similar Ths with comparable heroes your ODDS of winning 100 in a row is incredibly low.