Why matchmaking needs a fix sooner rather than later

[Shininglite]

Match making still broken beyond belief. We have just started using my th9 (20/22 heroes) as our #1 and our 3 matches since couldn't have been more different. 1st match pitted us against a clan with 2 th10s on top, teen heroes and lvl 1 infernos on the top guy. They messed up and ran out of attacks and we won on % but should have lost really. Next war our opponents had 3 weak 9s ( pre teen heroes) on the top with strong 8s below. We maxxed them they couldn't max us.

This search has given us opponents with 8 th8s at the top of their roster - and they have to attack my th9 - I actually feel sorry for them. None of our last 3 opponents have been engineered but we are carrying 2 low defence th9s yet we are matching regular clans with widely different compositions.

You couldn't make it up...

[SuperStorm103]

That is the way it is working now days. As long as each clan has the same total weight (or close) the MM see's it as fair. After that, each clan is free to distribute their weight how they see fit for the most part. Which means you should continue to see lots of unique rosters with the weight distributed differently.

Eventually, you might run into a couple maxed offense th11's with maxed or over maxed th9 defenses with some space filler bases at the bottom, in which case, good luck! The MM will get you sooner or later lol.

[alienwombat]

Exactly what we are seeing. We can easily win versus most clans with a lot of .5 bases or other base engineering stuff. But if the enemy does roster engineering and puts a strong TH11 on top and balances it with some weak bases they have a good shot at getting a perfect score, while we have no chance at getting a triple on their anchor.

That is the way it is working now days. As long as each clan has the same total weight (or close) the MM see's it as fair. After that, each clan is free to distribute their weight how they see fit for the most part. Which means you should continue to see lots of unique rosters with the weight distributed differently.

Eventually, you might run into a couple maxed offense th11's with maxed or over maxed th9 defenses with some space filler bases at the bottom, in which case, good luck! The MM will get you sooner or later lol.

[SinOfDusk]

Here's the type of match my clan usually faces.

Us:
1 - Maxed TH9 defenses, no mortars, lego walls, 15/15 royals, maxed TH9 lab, barracks lvl8 max
2 - Mid TH9 defenses, no mortars, skull walls, 10/10 royals, maxed TH9 lab, barracks lvl8 max
3 - TH9 with maxed TH8 defenses (TH9 amount), no mortars, xbow lvl1, skull walls, 10/5 royals, maxed laloon, barracks lvl6
4 - TH9 with mid TH8 defenses (TH9 amount), no mortars, xbows lvl1, purple walls, 10/5 royals, maxed laloon, barracks lvl6
5 - TH9 with mid TH7 defenses (TH9 amount), no mortars, xbows lvl1, purple walls, 10/1 royals, maxed vaho (no troop beyond healer and valks unlocked)
6 - TH8
7 - TH8
8 - TH8
9 - TH8
10 - TH8
11 - TH8
12 - TH7
13 - TH9 with TH5/6 defenses (TH7 amount), no mortars, no BT, no xbow, lvl2 walls, no royals, maxed loons only, no troop unlocked beyond loons, no dark barracks, no dark spell factory
14 - TH7
15 - TH7

Them:
1 - TH9 with TH8 defenses, completely maxed TH8 prior, 10/10 royals, xbows
2 - TH9 with TH8 defenses, completely maxed TH8 prior, 10/3 royals, xbows
3 to 13 - TH8s (3-10 are all maxed TH8 minus walls in some cases)
14 & 15 - TH7s

Our MO for most wars is just let #3-5 get 6 packs from their #1-#6 and winning the war right there. Our #1-2 are backup and #13 can also clear any maxed TH8 with ease

No mortars balances with low level barracks. Almost all our matches look something like this

[samratulangi]

Here's the type of match my clan usually faces.

Us:
1 - Maxed TH9 defenses, no mortars, lego walls, 15/15 royals, maxed TH9 lab, barracks lvl8 max
2 - Mid TH9 defenses, no mortars, skull walls, 10/10 royals, maxed TH9 lab, barracks lvl8 max
3 - TH9 with maxed TH8 defenses (TH9 amount), no mortars, xbow lvl1, skull walls, 10/5 royals, maxed laloon, barracks lvl6
4 - TH9 with mid TH8 defenses (TH9 amount), no mortars, xbows lvl1, purple walls, 10/5 royals, maxed laloon, barracks lvl6
5 - TH9 with mid TH7 defenses (TH9 amount), no mortars, xbows lvl1, purple walls, 10/1 royals, maxed vaho (no troop beyond healer and valks unlocked)
6 - TH8
7 - TH8
8 - TH8
9 - TH8
10 - TH8
11 - TH8
12 - TH7
13 - TH9 with TH5/6 defenses (TH7 amount), no mortars, no BT, no xbow, lvl2 walls, no royals, maxed loons only, no troop unlocked beyond loons, no dark barracks, no dark spell factory
14 - TH7
15 - TH7

Them:
1 - TH9 with TH8 defenses, completely maxed TH8 prior, 10/10 royals, xbows
2 - TH9 with TH8 defenses, completely maxed TH8 prior, 10/3 royals, xbows
3 to 13 - TH8s (3-10 are all maxed TH8 minus walls in some cases)
14 & 15 - TH7s

Our MO for most wars is just let #3-5 get 6 packs from their #1-#6 and winning the war right there. Our #1-2 are backup and #13 can also clear any maxed TH8 with ease

No mortars balances with low level barracks. Almost all our matches look something like this

wow your clan is similar to ours without mortar bases, what is your clan tag, i really want to see it if possible

[Kenchafer]

Here's the type of match my clan usually faces.

Us:
1 - Maxed TH9 defenses, no mortars, lego walls, 15/15 royals, maxed TH9 lab, barracks lvl8 max
2 - Mid TH9 defenses, no mortars, skull walls, 10/10 royals, maxed TH9 lab, barracks lvl8 max
3 - TH9 with maxed TH8 defenses (TH9 amount), no mortars, xbow lvl1, skull walls, 10/5 royals, maxed laloon, barracks lvl6
4 - TH9 with mid TH8 defenses (TH9 amount), no mortars, xbows lvl1, purple walls, 10/5 royals, maxed laloon, barracks lvl6
5 - TH9 with mid TH7 defenses (TH9 amount), no mortars, xbows lvl1, purple walls, 10/1 royals, maxed vaho (no troop beyond healer and valks unlocked)
6 - TH8
7 - TH8
8 - TH8
9 - TH8
10 - TH8
11 - TH8
12 - TH7
13 - TH9 with TH5/6 defenses (TH7 amount), no mortars, no BT, no xbow, lvl2 walls, no royals, maxed loons only, no troop unlocked beyond loons, no dark barracks, no dark spell factory
14 - TH7
15 - TH7

Them:
1 - TH9 with TH8 defenses, completely maxed TH8 prior, 10/10 royals, xbows
2 - TH9 with TH8 defenses, completely maxed TH8 prior, 10/3 royals, xbows
3 to 13 - TH8s (3-10 are all maxed TH8 minus walls in some cases)
14 & 15 - TH7s

Our MO for most wars is just let #3-5 get 6 packs from their #1-#6 and winning the war right there. Our #1-2 are backup and #13 can also clear any maxed TH8 with ease

No mortars balances with low level barracks. Almost all our matches look something like this

This Is why I don't believe there is a possible way to avoid engineering clans. The them clan did everything that everyone has been preaching to avoid engineering clans. Minimum town hall spread, no .5s or engineering on their side, all defenses built, ect. Yet here they are facing this.

I ask, what else could have been done to avoid this matchup?

[2222]

This Is why I don't believe there is a possible way to avoid engineering clans. The them clan did everything that everyone has been preaching to avoid engineering clans. Minimum town hall spread, no .5s or engineering on their side, all defenses built, ect. Yet here they are facing this.

I ask, what else could have been done to avoid this matchup?

You are correct there is no way to completely avoid ever matching an engineered clan. The factors you suggested will reduce the chance, though. I created a th3 to use as a war filler a while back. I haven't added any defense, but have upgraded the hall when I have enough gold and have upgraded the collectors. It's defenseless, but also without much offense so not very useful. Guess what we get at the bottom of the enemy map when I use this account to fill in the war? A defenseless enemy account. Matchmaking has improved.

[Chang405]

This Is why I don't believe there is a possible way to avoid engineering clans. The them clan did everything that everyone has been preaching to avoid engineering clans. Minimum town hall spread, no .5s or engineering on their side, all defenses built, ect. Yet here they are facing this.

I ask, what else could have been done to avoid this matchup?

Don't build crossbows when your heroes are merely 10/10 and certainly not when they are 10/3.

[Kenchafer]

Don't build crossbows when your heroes are merely 10/10 and certainly not when they are 10/3.

So I'm not to .5 to draw engineers yet don't drop x bows? Isn't that .5ing? Where is the line at?

Besides, I dropped x bows with 10 heroes way back in the day and it didn't hurt me. Of course, this was before the rampant engineering took hold.

[posthoc]

Even maxers don't drop xbows the instant they hit th9, as far as I know. They believe in troop upgrades, heroes, and 3 starring your own level, at least as much as engineers do. Their objections are more to "perma" .5s who never drop the final big d for their level, or the heavily engineered defenseless bases.

FWIW I also dropped xbows the instant I hit th9, way back in the day. [Quite possibly that was before clan wars even existed... been a long slow slog.] It definitely hurt us in wars. I couldn't hit my mirror to save my life, especially since I lagged on lab upgrades.