Engineered bases long term effect

[KingKreg]

As to the thread title question, long term effect of engineering on wars? This IS the long term, people have been engineering for years. It's kept the game fresh for many long term players, starting new accounts to test out ideas.
The October update knocked the engineer advantage down to manageable levels, as it should be.

I agree 100 percent.

I'm starting to not even understand what all the fuss is about. perfect example... Look at the heavily engineered winterfell gods... They are warring in their second clan and can't seem to put more than 7-8 streak together. I spent a little time over there and they are damn good attackers.

Engineers don't have the same advantage as they had before.

[kimchilove]

Interesting...an anti-engineer suddenly with a different opinion about engineering and mm, after testing engineering bases himself. Lets see the trend in 5 wars, you will surely get an even clearer image. Note that slight mismatches are always possible, and in fact, I think they are even encouraged and specifically built in the mm algorithm in order to create challenge and variety in wars.

Lol sorry not going to debate with u. U r too narrow minded imo. U cant offer objective observations. No offense. Just telling u how it is. U keep disregarding the mm prior to update n think strongly than that engineers got fair n tuff wars lol. Enuff said

[kimchilove]

Btw opinions didnt differ. U really need to learn reading comprehension lol js. Perhaps read n deduce whole post instead of focusing on just specific sentences n drawing conclusions. Smh whatever happened to english classes? Lol sigh education system needs to b buffed

[xwejx]

The game was meant to be played by upgrading your offenses and defenses evenly. It was irresponsible of SC to incentivize maxing only offense. Perhaps it was a revenue-driven decision, if you look at it cynically, because it's tough to keep enough resources around when your defenseless unless you straight gem. They can and must come up with a better matchmaking algorithm.

[topbtm]

Btw opinions didnt differ. U really need to learn reading comprehension lol js. Perhaps read n deduce whole post instead of focusing on just specific sentences n drawing conclusions. Smh whatever happened to english classes? Lol sigh education system needs to b buffed

I already destroyed every single arguments and opinions you had on engineering. I exposed your lack of knowledge about the match making and about engineered bases, and you even admitted to it. Not only that, you then went on and started an engineered base to check the impact on your clan. Funny enough, you got exactly the impact I have been saying all along. Really it is too easy argue with some people...

The best reply you could come up with is to challenge my clan for an arranged war. But then again, I found out your clan is just some random average clan...a level 4 clan, 10v10, with a 29-7 record - nice, but quite average with average attackers...best wins streak ever at only 7...Sorry, but my clan is looking for something of a bigger challenge if we are going to waste time with an arrange war. No offense mate.

[ccmushroom]

I disagree, The game was designed to make you rush, and spend gems to keep up. If it was designed to "upgrade evenly" Then at th9 you would be able to finish defensive, offensive, and hero upgrades in pretty close to the same amount of time. That is not even close to the way it is. I know when I was grinding out my th9. My defenses were finished 8 months before my hero's and walls.

[kimchilove]

I already destroyed every single arguments and opinions you had on engineering. I exposed your lack of knowledge about the match making and about engineered bases, and you even admitted to it. Not only that, you then went on and started an engineered base to check the impact on your clan. Funny enough, you got exactly the impact I have been saying all along. Really it is too easy argue with some people...

The best reply you could come up with is to challenge my clan for an arranged war. But then again, I found out your clan is just some random average clan...a level 4 clan, 10v10, with a 29-7 record - nice, but quite average with average attackers...best wins streak ever at only 7...Sorry, but my clan is looking for something of a bigger challenge if we are going to waste time with an arrange war. No offense mate.

Lol destroyed? How? Psst u may wanna look back on ur posts n c when u written that engineer streaks were made bc of skill n they got fair n tuff wars lol js. Date timeline dont lie lol. Ok now that I shown u made yet another foolish comment let me hit u wit this one. Does lv of clan indicate ones skill? If we r as avg as u state we r y not war wit us? O right u dont wanna "waste ur time" lol. Likely excuse. Try dog ate my hw next time to make ur excuses sound more credible xD

[MossackFonseca]

COC is the best game i have ever played. There is no doubt Clan Wars makes it so exciting.

Engineered bases are a huge problem, that needs to be solved by SC. Is engineering cheating or not is irrelevant. We all know this strategy works, so we can all start playing by new rules. All we have to do is - make few EB and clash on!
But how would this effect CW and COC? There is no pleasure taking 3 stars on defenceless TH10.

Because EB, COC wil became boring and unexciting game.

That is my opinion, what is yours?

My opinion is that building a balanced clan that is active and makes proper use of FC's is a whole lot more fun than winning wars via spreadsheet, but it's also a whole lot harder. Many people are very lazy, and, like water, they flow down the path of least resistance. That used to be modding, but now that entire clans have gotten banned for modding those same types of people are focusing on using engineering to get easier wins. If/when pure engineering gets fixed, there will be a new way to obtain easy (or easier) wars that will cause much consternation with the masses. It's not a problem that will ever truly go away, even an allegedly perfect system is going to regularly throw out mismatches between 2 pretty well-balanced clans. I recommend that you visit this thread for ideas on how to get generally-fair wars:

https://forum.supercell.com/showthre...mpetitive-wars

Its started everyday because engineering is a problem. It's the elephant in the room that the developers dont wanna talk about right now. People have legitimate gripes with it. You engineers can cry TOS and within the rules all you want, but it's an exploitation of the MM that needs to and eventually will be addressed. Nobody (except engineers) want to be involved in wars where the whole side gets cleaned and the best the non-engineered clan can do is tie. That is not right. And if you have a secret conversation with yourself and ask the same question, I'd bet you'd say that putting the other clan in a position where the best they can do is tie or lose on percentage, is not right.

No need to get too worked up about this. Not because you don't match with engineers, I know that you do, but rather b/c you already know how to get mostly even war matchups every time. Just take out every single low th on bottom, don't do .5 for more than a month or 2 on a new th (and even then keep working on point defenses and walls nonstop), keep your spread pretty tight, and reset searches after 30 minutes or so. You've seen my clan, you know what type of war lineups we bring, and you're up there with our very best attackers. If your clan has the same skill that you do then you guys will keep winning 90% of your wars even if you face 50/50 odds on paper every time. When you think about it, the only thing that is potentially counterintuitive about trying to get even matchups is perhaps the resetting searches every 30 minutes, everything else just makes sense to do anyway. I do think that many of your losses are more about having such a high winning % though, that war weight penalty really starts to ramp up as you win more and more often...If you weren't matching up with engineers in those "unfair" wars then you'd instead be matching up with otherwise-balanced clans that have a couple more highly developed th10/11 than you do.

[ccmushroom]

I'm not defending modding. I am glad they got banned, but lazy is not the right term for them. They would spend hours trying to crack a single base.

[MossackFonseca]

Please let me doubt this very much. People who actually understand the mm will not need to indulge in or condone nor do they need to criticize engineering bases because there is no advantage.

In fact I love engineered bases because it is so easier to beat them...

The only reason to engineer a war roster is to attempt to gain an advantage. It's easier to beat BAD engineers, but good ones win most of their wars by manipulating the matchmaker in such a way as to match them with inferior competition.

Do you even read what you write?

I agree with you and thanks for the well mannered response. We do upgrade efficiently whereas we get the most important war troops first. Th9 we all got hogs, heal, healers and giants first while we upgraded our queens. We do our army camps and cc and barracks and drill of course, to make sure we can produce on offense in a reasonable amount of time. Catch the 4th ad up so we dont get brainlessly bulldozed by drags, etc. Thats the intelligent approach and I would advise it. Once we have that stuff in place, we purchase everything from the shop. It's these clanwide perma-9's and 10's that are really skewing the matchups. Sprinkled in with roster engineering with the junk on the bottom false th9's that are there simply to clean th8's with drags and /or weak th9's. The MM doesn't see whats happening there. I dont want to get scientific with the MM, it's not rocket science in a sense that you dont drop big ticket defenses, upgrade splash damage defenses, upgrade or have certain spells or troops that ya technically dont need for war, etc.. BUT, they need to have some sort of penalty or weight tax to offset that. A defenseless th10 that has 5 spells, 240 spots, level 2 bowlers and max healers with 10/10 heroes needs to be recognized as a powerful threat, and therefore pay a weight tax. This is obviously a second or third account solely to skew the MM and effortlessly clean th9's that regular th9's in that clan with 220/ 4 spells and no bowlers may/ probably not have. Tou do it over the whole clan with the perma 9.5'sand 10.5's etc, and they're gonna match against a clan that cant beat them. It's not right. I dont consider that strategy. I consider a well-thought out attack "strategy". Overpowering a half- town hall below you is not strategy. We are taking gameplay out of this game and it is hurting this game. Thats a fact.

You should come check out our last war. Opponent did not show up, thank God, b/c we would have lost if they had. However, there was a bright spot, one of our 9's cleared both opponent 9.5's, one on a first hit and one on a 2nd hit. We have several stud th9's in our clan like that, though often they're all opted out upgrading heroes...but, man, that sure comes in handy when you match up with a heavy .5 clan.