Engineered bases long term effect

[ChiefTuk]

I have 2 th9 maxed at the top. We lost 89-90 to a vietnam clan with 2x11 with max troops and 2xth10 with infernos. They had 20 one canon bases from 30.

You're running a whole lot of very low THs yourself, then. If you want to do serious wars, you should be running a lineup of TH7 through TH9. If you want to do big wars with rubbish at the bottom, then you're going to get these silly matchups.

*Edit: how many were in this war? You say they had 20 single cannon bases from 30 on down? If this was a 50 v 50, losing 89-90 isn't very flattering to either clan.

[alienwombat]

Mind sharing your clantag? New forum members post news like that all the time... Supercell has all the statistical data and does nothing... Does that ring any bells? Maxxer fake news up my jumper

I have 2 th9 maxed at the top. We lost 89-90 to a vietnam clan with 2x11 with max troops and 2xth10 with infernos. They had 20 one canon bases from 30. We got some great attacks in but at the top they were attacking two th lower with extra hero and spells. The loss was inevitable. I did expect a hard match has we reached 10 war streak and yes some of those were in our favour. I like the different mix of war clans IF we get the variety. The clans getting a concesutive run of high engineered clans but get frustrated.

[ChiefTuk]

From what I've seen, the offense is counting a LOT more than it did pre-October. I have to assume that you have a really wide spread of TH levels or there's no way you'd be drawing a defenseless 10 that has upgraded camps & troops. Some clans are just doing that because that's the mix they have & they want to put everyone in war. Other clans put lots of low bases at the bottom in order to attempt to get an advantage at the top. SC has no way of knowing if your intent is to just war everyone or if you're trying to manipulate MM. Either way, that lineup is going to see a lot of mismatches both favorable & not so much. I can't imagine that you haven't noticed some improvement since SC started weighing offense again in October. Even before the ill considered March update that made offense virtually weightless, that type lineup was drawing weird matchups. There's a point where as leader, you have to decide if having weird matches is worth putting everyone in war.

Standard .5 bases aren't a major advantage at this point & having a lineup full of them, is a recipe for disaster. Once the troops & heroes near max levels, they bring enough weight to either draw full defense mirrors with just as strong offense, or put you at a big disadvantage at the top. Our guideline has always been put down whatever defenses you can 3 star with some consistency.

The clans using engineered bases to hit lower level THs are usually covering up for weaker attackers. They don't bother me at all. The ones I consider dangerous are the ones that have the ability to 3 star our top couple of bases. The frequency of having that kind of matchup has dropped way down since October. The other clans running wars with THs all within a few levels are experiencing the same thing.

Human nature says that some people will go to great lengths to win even the most trivial contests. Don't let them ruin your fun.

[Flubber41]

So let me get this straight, your top bases were th9 and you got 89 stars vs two th11s and two th10s with infernoes.

So your two th9s 3 starred two th10s with infernoes and you also 3starred a th11 and only missed three starring a th11 or something along those lines. Wow :O
please let me see the war log. Whats your clan tag ?

I assumed the two th11 were some version of defenceless and were among the 20 defenceless in the 30v30 war . SO really to lose 90-89 they had to three star one th10 with infernos . THat is plausible if it was a pretty crappy base and they were running only one true " anchor base " . Hell we had a th9 take out an inferno base just a couple of wars ago ( walls were level 7 , heros were ♥♥♥♥ and defenses were th8 level apart from the infernos )

i take things on here with with a grain of salt too but what he recited is possible .. even moderately likely if the engineered clan was keeping weights down in all but one really tough base

[Flubber41]

AS to the OP ... I think the whole defenceless concept stinks as a way to provide a good war experience to your opponent . BUt providing that experience is SUpercell's job,NOT you war opponent's job . SO it's on supercell to somehow disincentivize the defenceless bases if they choose . If they do not do so , there is ample evidence that enough folks find it beneficial, that it will continue .

[alienwombat]

I assumed the two th11 were some version of defenceless and were among the 20 defenceless in the 30v30 war . SO really to lose 90-89 they had to three star one th10 with infernos . THat is plausible if it was a pretty crappy base and they were running only one true " anchor base " . Hell we had a th9 take out an inferno base just a couple of wars ago ( walls were level 7 , heros were ♥♥♥♥ and defenses were th8 level apart from the infernos )

i take things on here with with a grain of salt too but what he recited is possible .. even moderately likely if the engineered clan was keeping weights down in all but one really tough base

Roster engineering with a strong anchor on top is the true problem right now.

We laugh at every clan we face with lopsided bases. It takes some planning but we can crush them quite easily.

Putting an extremely strong (compared to the rest of your lineup) on top, and balancing it with some TH3 (or something else much lower than the rest), ensures your anchor can't be 3* but will 3* the enemy top two bases

[ReplicantRachel]

Roster engineering with a strong anchor on top is the true problem right now.

We laugh at every clan we clan lopsided bases. It takes some planning but we can crush the quite easily.

Putting an extremely strong (compared to the rest of your lineup) on top, and balancing it with some TH3 (or something else much lower than the rest), ensures your anchor can't be 3* but will 3* the enemy top two bases

To be honest I think a clan has a better chance of success with roster engineering than base engineering.

[Skrags]

I think there was a rule prohibiting hunt discussions

Yes, there was/is a rule that you're not supposed to talk about hunts and such.

Indeed, there is still a restriction on discussing 'Hunting', although today, it's nowhere near as prevalent as it used to be.... back in the dark days!! That being said, I'm glad I wasn't a forum regular back then, I imagine it was pretty toxic.

To be honest I think a clan has a better chance of success with roster engineering than base engineering.

I worry about that too, although there has been suggestions that the December update tweaked the effectiveness of this a little. I can't personally confirm this.

Back to the original question (and Billius' thread too), I honestly feel that the majority of players (engineered or not) recognise that Engineering getting 'out of control' would have serious fundamental downsides to Clan wars as a whole, for new and old players alike.

This is just my personal observations.

[lordbig]

Roster engineering with a strong anchor on top is the true problem right now.

We laugh at every clan we face with lopsided bases. It takes some planning but we can crush them quite easily.

Putting an extremely strong (compared to the rest of your lineup) on top, and balancing it with some TH3 (or something else much lower than the rest), ensures your anchor can't be 3* but will 3* the enemy top two bases

My point is that out of 30 bases. 20 were given away one canon. No cc. 8 were .5s including 2 th11 but the top was fully maxed th10. I just got the 2 stars with luck and lotd of witches. He had 3 100% attacks on my number 1. Th9. I aint complaining. Makes a change has the previous war the leader needed to 3 star our 3. Got a 95% 1 star. Kicked out the entire clan mid war.

[OnyxDS]

My point is that out of 30 bases. 20 were given away one canon. No cc. 8 were .5s including 2 th11 but the top was fully maxed th10. I just got the 2 stars with luck and lotd of witches. He had 3 100% attacks on my number 1. Th9. I aint complaining. Makes a change has the previous war the leader needed to 3 star our 3. Got a 95% 1 star. Kicked out the entire clan mid war.

So what was your lineup? Because matching 20 zero defence bases is odd. We see some defenceless opponents, but less than we used to, and since October they aren't as bad as they once were. And particularly recently we've not been matching to clans with a load of zero bases - maybe 4 or 5, and that's sometimes with 1 or 2 our side.

Also, do you restart your search if it's been running a long time?