Might make engineer acct to c if my opinions r true

[kimchilove]

Thank you for the acknowledgement. Yes it is a skill that not many have. Those that have the knowledge and discipline to follow a long path are rewarded. Those that are able to and have the attack skill as well are the o es getting the war streaks in the 100's. I am glad that you took the time to experiment in this area. Good luck with your game.

Ty gl to u also. Just one slight tidbit. Dont need much attack skill to do well in a engineer war js. Engineers purposely lower overall weight to get easier bases n matches generally being matched with weaker/inexperienced clans. This is y u never hear of engineer clans being matched with more well known respected clans or clans full of legit attackers bc those r types of clans they wanna avoid at all cost. Regardless still a strat n yes skill does come into play but that skill is mostly roster management n making of engineer accts. Hope u r not offended dude by these statements. Gl to u also sincerely

[samratulangi]

Ty gl to u also. Just one slight tidbit. Dont need much attack skill to do well in a engineer war js. Engineers purposely lower overall weight to get easier bases n matches generally being matched with weaker/inexperienced clans. This is y u never hear of engineer clans being matched with more well known respected clans or clans full of legit attackers bc those r types of clans they wanna avoid at all cost. Regardless still a strat n yes skill does come into play but that skill is mostly roster management n making of engineer accts. Hope u r not offended dude by these statements. Gl to u also sincerely

Kimchilove, yes most of the the time u don't need a good attacking skill in engineered clan, but u occasionally u will face similar strength of top bases, maybe about once very 10 wars, so if u see a very long Winstreak, u can not deny at least they have skill to overcome similar strength base

[kimchilove]

Kimchilove, yes most of the the time u don't need a good attacking skill in engineered clan, but u occasionally u will face similar strength of top bases, maybe about once very 10 wars, so if u see a very long Winstreak, u can not deny at least they have skill to overcome similar strength base

Ty for input dude n tbh my clan isnt optimally engineered so didnt know that inside info u gave. May I c a war that contains what u claimed plz? Not bc I dont think u r tryin to deceive but just to answer my curiousity. I never said no skill was needed but less skill is involved compared to clans who dont try to manipulate wars. N even if it does happen once every 10 wars still means streak kept alive easier 9 out of 10 times. Hope this doesnt demean u in any way dude n if it does im sorry but that isnt intention. I do acknowledge some skill is involved n that it isnt cheating n it is a legit strat

[kimchilove]

Haha just watched clash of clans tutor n apparently looks like I started my engineer acct too late lol. Bout time sc. Good for game overall n long term

[samratulangi]

Ty for input dude n tbh my clan isnt optimally engineered so didnt know that inside info u gave. May I c a war that contains what u claimed plz? Not bc I dont think u r tryin to deceive but just to answer my curiousity. I never said no skill was needed but less skill is involved compared to clans who dont try to manipulate wars. N even if it does happen once every 10 wars still means streak kept alive easier 9 out of 10 times. Hope this doesnt demean u in any way dude n if it does im sorry but that isnt intention. I do acknowledge some skill is involved n that it isnt cheating n it is a legit strat

Ok, if we face a war that both clan can win or at least tie on the paper I will let u see it, we have seen some of that on past wars, but detail is not available by now since it is more then 3 wars ago.

Btw one of our clans just lost 97 winstreak 2 weeks ago to a tie, so MM definitely improved and skill does matter more, lol

[Superfinch30]

Ok, if we face a war that both clan can win or at least tie on the paper I will let u see it, we have seen some of that on past wars, but detail is not available by now since it is more then 3 wars ago.

Btw one of our clans just lost 97 winstreak 2 weeks ago to a tie, so MM definitely improved and skill does matter more, lol

Sorry to drop in with the hijack, but this is exactly right.

'Wars where both clans can win or lose'
are happening FAR more now.
The majority of engineering isn't making an automatic and huge advantage anymore. It's slim to none.

Those clans that engineered to cover for attacking frailties, will now be losing a lot.

The clans that engineered to compound an advantage they already had in attacking skill and base design....will still be winning, but still thinking it has anything to do with the engineering bit.

It's madness. Engineers laughed at 'stupid, ignorant, arrogant maxing' through numerous war MM iterations where engineering was providing a fairly consistent advantage.
Now those same people aren't realising that their advantage has been decimated, in a similar fashion of ignorance.


What Kimi has alluded to a couple of times is still true though. Lower level engineering is most likely still alive and well....cos there's so many matches against nubs at that weight.
But in all honesty, those same clans would be easy to beat for good attackers in an exact perfect match.

I will add that my clan's 11 streak got broken by a clan with an engineered 45/45/20 9.5.
The only thing that did for them was make 14 th11 max hero attacks to our 12.
They won because they were better. Their designs were better, they attacked better, they succeeded all their th10 dips, and 3D our weakest 11.

We didn't. End of. Engineering didn't win. Quality did. People need to look at that a bit more and see where the wind is blowing.

[kimchilove]

Ok, if we face a war that both clan can win or at least tie on the paper I will let u see it, we have seen some of that on past wars, but detail is not available by now since it is more then 3 wars ago.

Btw one of our clans just lost 97 winstreak 2 weeks ago to a tie, so MM definitely improved and skill does matter more, lol

Aaa ic koo. Ill b waiting than

[kimchilove]

Sorry to drop in with the hijack, but this is exactly right.

'Wars where both clans can win or lose'
are happening FAR more now.
The majority of engineering isn't making an automatic and huge advantage anymore. It's slim to none.

Those clans that engineered to cover for attacking frailties, will now be losing a lot.

The clans that engineered to compound an advantage they already had in attacking skill and base design....will still be winning, but still thinking it has anything to do with the engineering bit.

It's madness. Engineers laughed at 'stupid, ignorant, arrogant maxing' through numerous war MM iterations where engineering was providing a fairly consistent advantage.
Now those same people aren't realising that their advantage has been decimated, in a similar fashion of ignorance.


What Kimi has alluded to a couple of times is still true though. Lower level engineering is most likely still alive and well....cos there's so many matches against nubs at that weight.
But in all honesty, those same clans would be easy to beat for good attackers in an exact perfect match.

I will add that my clan's 11 streak got broken by a clan with an engineered 45/45/20 9.5.
The only thing that did for them was make 14 th11 max hero attacks to our 12.
They won because they were better. Their designs were better, they attacked better, they succeeded all their th10 dips, and 3D our weakest 11.

We didn't. End of. Engineering didn't win. Quality did. People need to look at that a bit more and see where the wind is blowing.

Doesn't this only pertain to those clans who use some max to heavy weight bases along with manipulated bases?

[CheckMate99]

Sorry to drop in with the hijack, but this is exactly right.

'Wars where both clans can win or lose'
are happening FAR more now.
The majority of engineering isn't making an automatic and huge advantage anymore. It's slim to none.

Those clans that engineered to cover for attacking frailties, will now be losing a lot.

The clans that engineered to compound an advantage they already had in attacking skill and base design....will still be winning, but still thinking it has anything to do with the engineering bit.

It's madness. Engineers laughed at 'stupid, ignorant, arrogant maxing' through numerous war MM iterations where engineering was providing a fairly consistent advantage.
Now those same people aren't realising that their advantage has been decimated, in a similar fashion of ignorance.


What Kimi has alluded to a couple of times is still true though. Lower level engineering is most likely still alive and well....cos there's so many matches against nubs at that weight.
But in all honesty, those same clans would be easy to beat for good attackers in an exact perfect match.

I will add that my clan's 11 streak got broken by a clan with an engineered 45/45/20 9.5.
The only thing that did for them was make 14 th11 max hero attacks to our 12.
They won because they were better. Their designs were better, they attacked better, they succeeded all their th10 dips, and 3D our weakest 11.

We didn't. End of. Engineering didn't win. Quality did. People need to look at that a bit more and see where the wind is blowing.

Are you sure? My engineered clan still get easy matches all the time. We are crushing easy enemies left and right. We rely solely on our engineer skill as most of our attacks are dips...and if we fail (which we often do - we are mathematicians mostly), then we will just use our even stronger bases to do a double dips (2 TH stronger) to crush enemies. Our all green log proves this fact, as most of our wins margin is 30-40 stars difference. Really, i don't get all the fuss about engineering nerf at all.

[kimchilove]

Are you sure? My engineered clan still get easy matches all the time. We are crushing easy enemies left and right. We rely solely on our engineer skill as most of our attacks are dips...and if we fail (which we often do - we are mathematicians mostly), then we will just use our even stronger bases to do a double dips (2 TH stronger) to crush enemies. Our all green log proves this fact, as most of our wins margin is 30-40 stars difference. Really, i don't get all the fuss about engineering nerf at all.

N this is where skills come into play. Even tho I dont agree with principals of engineering n some of the claims associated with it, there is no denying the fact yall mastered what many either cant or havent. Yall figured out war mm algorithm n using it to ur benefit. This is a skill for sure n making of manipulated bases to optimize advantage is also a skill. There is no denying this fact. Ur wars r in roster management instead of battlefield (nothing wrong with that as there is no,cheating involved n yall r all playing within rules) I know we had our disagreements but I do acknowledge n admit ur understanding of war mm is way above rest. In that sense ur clan is elite.