Might make engineer acct to c if my opinions r true

[kimchilove]

Unless you're able to use all your loot for an upgrade, keeping it may be problematic at times specially when you're attacked with minimal troops.
I usually force a shield just before I go to bed.
On those occasions where I forget or unable to do this, I have been attacked between 2-10 times and have most of my loot gone.

On your question on what TH for a good engineered account, it depends on your composition.
I think having a 10 on top would need a 10 below in order for it to be effective, a 9 for a 9 and an 11 for an 11.

I liked ur answer on what th is a good engineer acct. Simple n makes alot of sense

[samratulangi]

On your question on what TH for a good engineered account, it depends on your composition.
I think having a 10 on top would need a 10 below in order for it to be effective, a 9 for a 9 and an 11 for an 11.

Totally agree with this, because a defenseless TH9 will not really helpful in a clan with a top base of th10 or 11, because a defenseless TH9 is often is a very weak TH9 with low heroes, so it is meaningless

[SuperStorm103]

My purpose for engineering in accounts is to try to offset areas of the clan structure that are weak. For instance we have some fairly high weight th9's that are not the greatest attackers but still want to war. This often causes an issue of the lower th9's not getting 3 starred. I only have so many attacks for top bases each war.

In order to shore up that weakness, I have two th9 mini accounts under development that fortify that weakness. They are light on defenses, but I'm pushing their offense to the level of being able to 3 star mid to low level th9's. This gives my team two easier bases to hit and 4 extra soon to be strong attacks. Both of my minis have hounds and loons. The final step is getting their heroes to 05/05 both currently 1/1 (already 3 starring low level 9's with them). This will allow my family clan to stay competitive and gives us a chance to win wars.

[kimchilove]

My purpose for engineering in accounts is to try to offset areas of the clan structure that are weak. For instance we have some fairly high weight th9's that are not the greatest attackers but still want to war. This often causes an issue of the lower th9's not getting 3 starred. I only have so many attacks for top bases each war.

In order to shore up that weakness, I have two th9 mini accounts under development that fortify that weakness. They are light on defenses, but I'm pushing their offense to the level of being able to 3 star mid to low level th9's. This gives my team two easier bases to hit and 4 extra soon to be strong attacks. Both of my minis have hounds and loons. The final step is getting their heroes to 05/05 both currently 1/1 (already 3 starring low level 9's with them). This will allow my family clan to stay competitive and gives us a chance to win wars.

Yes thats one of strong positives to engineering. Unfortunately many dont use engineer bases for that purpose tho. In cases like that I support engineering (gasp)

[kimchilove]

I dont understand how so many still complain about war mm. From what I seen think sc did superb job with war mm. Even tho I use manipulated bases (admitted not fully optimized manipulated bases I know) sc has made mm fair for most part. Seeing all these complaint posts about war mm confuses me. Maybe making excuses to cover their skills?

[SuperStorm103]

I'm sure that is part of it. Most of the time an engineering clan has lighter bases on defense. This makes 3 starring them easier. But, because a fair amount of people attacking arn't elite attackers, they still fail on these weaker bases. So now, the engineering clan that they are facing has more offense power and can overcome the other clans heavier defense bases easier (theoretically). This would be an example of a engineering clan with good attackers vs a maxxer clan with fair attackers. This is not always the case.

The engineers gamble does not always pay off. There are maxxer clans out there that are full of excellent attackers as well as engineered clans full of good attackers that still struggle with the more power offense to put up the 3 stars. These are the cases you hear about maxxer clans putting the smack down on engineering.

I think a big reason for complaining is that nobody likes to loose or are able to say well done to the other clan. Clans that engineer know they are walking a thin line and their planning can easily backfire on them by providing easier bases for the enemy. But, due to the average attacker skill it just happens to pay off more then it doesn't.

Also, most of the threads that I see here complaining about mis matches seem to be the more average clans which would struggle against an engineering clan. A few of those threads are however from really good war clans that have been handed a rare unwinnable match due to very good roster engineering which is made possible under the current MM system. Most people are not that motivated to put in the effort to make a really good line up. I would say a lot of so called engineers are sort of lazy and only due partial engineering. They also don't have the time and effort to put 100% into achieving an unbeatable line up.

As war goes, those with the best plan usually win, even if it's only a half plan. Engineers just put a little more effort into winning. I mean after all everybody has the same option for optimizing. Some choose to take advantage of it. Others choose not to and then complain when their level of effort doesn't match the other clans and they come up short.

This got long, I'm done lol.

[CheckMate99]

I dont understand how so many still complain about war mm. From what I seen think sc did superb job with war mm. Even tho I use manipulated bases (admitted not fully optimized manipulated bases I know) sc has made mm fair for most part. Seeing all these complaint posts about war mm confuses me. Maybe making excuses to cover their skills?

Funny this is almost exactly what I was saying in my clan's thread celebrating our 300 wins streak last week - the same 20 pages long thread that you single handedly managed to close down, and sputtering claims that are exactly the opposite of what you just wrote above.

kimchilove

Super MemberJoin DateSep 2014Posts810

N that's exactly my problem too. How they distort reality n actually think their wars r fair n competitive. Saying it with a straight face without smirking. He even mentioned they have th9 wars bc they enjoy fair n competitive matches yet they bring engineered th10-11? N thats fair n competitive exactly how? He even states they have max or heavy accts, wonder how often they r used for war n not for practice or trophy pieces to make it look like they r not totally engineered? Its fine to engineer n its fine to get streaks but plz don't b delusional n spread false facts to us as if we r that gullible. That would probably help alot js. It truly is a skill to make such engineer bases this I concur but u cheapen ur clans rep by saying silly stuff tied in with that. Either way gl with rest of yall journey n hopefully u learned valuable lesson here coming at us with ur reasonings.

[kimchilove]

Funny this is almost exactly what I was saying in my clan's thread celebrating our 300 wins streak last week - the same 20 pages long thread that you single handedly managed to close down, and sputtering claims that are exactly the opposite of what you just wrote above.

kimchilove

Super MemberJoin DateSep 2014Posts810

N that's exactly my problem too. How they distort reality n actually think their wars r fair n competitive. Saying it with a straight face without smirking. He even mentioned they have th9 wars bc they enjoy fair n competitive matches yet they bring engineered th10-11? N thats fair n competitive exactly how? He even states they have max or heavy accts, wonder how often they r used for war n not for practice or trophy pieces to make it look like they r not totally engineered? Its fine to engineer n its fine to get streaks but plz don't b delusional n spread false facts to us as if we r that gullible. That would probably help alot js. It truly is a skill to make such engineer bases this I concur but u cheapen ur clans rep by saying silly stuff tied in with that. Either way gl with rest of yall journey n hopefully u learned valuable lesson here coming at us with ur reasonings.

Ooop I c what u doin here. Trying to bait me to get me more in trouble eh? Lol in all seriousness im sorry ur thread got shut down. Think u giving me too much power tho as to claim i single handedly closed ur thread. That wasnt my intention. Anyways, with that said I still stand by what I said. Sorry. U cant compare my experiences to yours. I stated I only use few manipulated bases (engineer fresh th8, 2 8.5, n throw in low th) in war. I know my roster isnt optimized for manipulating bc I just started my experiment (after updates to fix war mm). Whereas I assume u use mostly manipulated bases in war n been making those accts far longer than I have. Am I correct?

Look im sorry if what I say sounds harsh but sometimes reality can b harsh. I try to simply speak facts/reality. If u think im just trolling, hating, being jelly, etc I welcome u to check my wars n I yours. Im pretty sure we will c huge difference. Mind u this is post update where advantages werent as huge as they were before (didnt u start streak before updates?) Even with those changes I assume u still get matches where other side has no chance at wining? Tbh, idc that u engineer or have huge streak. I only disagreed with your statements n thoughts that yall had challenging n fair wars n u guys won bc of superior attack/def skills. Like I said if im just spewing nonsense n being jealous simply show war details. That should end things pretty quickly no?

[kimchilove]

Ok think I can come up with factual conclusion without any preconceived assumptions. Looks like best way to get most fair n challenging wars is to use maxed to heavy weight bases (as long as offense can carry it) and tight spread of th lvs. I already had this conclusion prior to me experimenting with manipulated accts. Now its official (I hope lol) sorry to those who engineer well. Ur wars r roster management n making of manipulated accts. (A skill not many have apparently) that is credit yall can claim n ill keep quiet as long as I dont hear outlandish claims stating otherwise. (Ie: wars r challenging n fair. We won bc of superior def/attack skill) all is fair in love n war I agree as long as delusional statements r not tied in with it. Once again I apologize if this offends anyways. Just stating facts. Either way gl all

[MrJackrabbit]

Thank you for the acknowledgement. Yes it is a skill that not many have. Those that have the knowledge and discipline to follow a long path are rewarded. Those that are able to and have the attack skill as well are the o es getting the war streaks in the 100's. I am glad that you took the time to experiment in this area. Good luck with your game.