I'm guessing SC has no interest in fair matches? making to much $ off engineered ?

[Aspex]

You guys are just crazy. Spouting this nonsense. Bringing in politics instantly means you have ZERO credibility.

The vast majority of maxxers want a matchup where either clan has a chance to win. That's all.

Engineers want to fix it so they will win the war before the war even starts.

SC just has to decide whether they want the game to be decided by the MM or by someone's skill in attacking.

The bottom line is if it is good for the overall game to have wars that just plain suck due to engineering.

If I was an engineer, I'd start preparing myself for a massive engineering nerf. SC doesn't comment very often on things and they've already come out and said they don't like engineering.

I'm going to keep the popcorn handy when the engineering nerf hammer from SC hits.

I have seen nothing from SC saying that they don't like engineering . The last comment from them on the issue that I recall was the Devs Q&A where they said that they will be looking into balancing lopsided bases. Them balancing it implies that they see engineering as part of the game.

I recall reading that Jonas has previously said that altering one's war weight is how the game is meant to be played. Whether that was his personal view or an official SC position I do not know, nor what SC's current position is beyond that they will be balancing engineering.

[Ngstebb434]

I agree that there are people who they themselves are the issue.

The challenge here is that despite cries from some who might be unreasonable, it seems there most certainly can be match-ups that strain logic. It's this piece of the puzzle that might still need some tweaking.

Its a simple fix....exponentially increase thr weight of EVERY new th level upgrade...make every th 9 upgrade as heavy as witches level 2, make every th 10 upgrade as heavy as inferno towers, every th 11 upgrade an eagle...yeah it would vastly increase war weight in general but itwould do it effectively, and would massively distinctify differences in th levels as a byproduct, single cannon base with max troops/ mid heroes would pull in minimum of max 9s, .5s would be forced to progress sooner but not nessesarily immediately...2 lazy to expand but thats just my 2 cents...

[nerfedname]

I have seen nothing from SC saying that they don't like engineering . The last comment from them on the issue that I recall was the Devs Q&A where they said that they will be looking into balancing lopsided bases. Them balancing it implies that they see engineering as part of the game.

I recall reading that Jonas has previously said that altering one's war weight is how the game is meant to be played. Whether that was his personal view or an official SC position I do not know, nor what SC's current position is beyond that they will be balancing engineering.

How is Supercell working towards balancing Clan Wars matchmaking?

With every update there is the normal round of war matchmaking balance, and that will always shift things a bit. New troops/defenses/levels/stat changes get incorporated and weights are rebalanced according to troop usage and effectiveness.
In the last update we rolled out a couple of adjustments so that "lopsided" bases/clans don't have that much advantage as before, and the more extreme cases of lopsided clans will have a harder time finding a match, and will be matched with tougher opponents. We firmly believe in a good balance and will continue to monitor things and to roll out small (or bigger) adjustments to war matchmaking with every update.

Given the statement by Anoushka, it would seem they're not a fan. If they were a fan of the practice, it's doubtful they'd be altering the matchmaker to reduce their advantage, take longer to match, and get tougher matches outright. They "firmly believe in good balance"

Also, from March (https://forum.supercell.com/showthre...-Matchmaking):

At the same time, matchmaking calculations have been rebalanced with the goal of better representing village progress. Previously, a village could be carefully manicured to hide a powerful defense or troop from matchmaking. For example, a player could intentionally not build X-Bows and under-upgrade other defenses to hide an Inferno Tower from matchmaking, and be treated as a TH9-level defense. Now, Clan Wars matchmaking will make a much sharper distinction between players who have built high-level items and those who haven't. Not only will this prevent higher-level players from preying upon lower-level players with hyper-optimized War Bases, but it will also allow high-level players to upgrade lesser units, like Cannons or Minions, without worry of undue penalty by the matchmaking system.

It sounds like high level players preying on low level players with hyper optimized war bases was something they were interested in stopping (although to be fair, some of the changes that went along with that March statement had some, shall we say, unintended effects).


The quote from Jonas' stating "altering one's war weight is how the game is meant to be played" IS something that I have not seen however...

[Gorf]

Do you have proof they are engineered, like pictures or clan tags ?[/QUOTE]

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[LittleMoon]

Neither. Just supporting your argument that people who have a fixation on blaming all war ailments on an unfair MM system (when all players have access to the exact same MM system) goes a lot deeper than clash.

Your position was that your clan is rarely seeing engineered clans. But, if you were a person whose outlook was that the planets were aligned against them, you'd probably have a different take.

Those kinds of folks are the ones up here screaming they're always getting railroaded with MM. Which is not really the case. Everyone gets the short end sometimes.

Okay, thanks and sorry for the reply. Had you said they instead of your in the first sentence I would not have felt so lost haha

I agree though.

[Nanofyre]

Ngstebb434, your plan is flawed, people will find a way to 'exploit' that so they still have an advantage. Any fix supercell implemented will still have a set of guidelines that some clans will make the most of, and other clans will be hampered. I would much rather face an engineered clan 1 in 5 times then be constantly hit by maxers every time one of our clanmates upgrades a TH. Anyone ever been in an engineer vs. engineer war? It is probably pretty epic. Point is people will always find a niche. our clan has no issues with Engineer right now because our TH lvls are too high for it to be a factor, so if you hate engineers, keep farming! you have the advantage over them in that respect, and you will eventually outgrow them in war!

Engineering is by no means in bad taste, it isn't illegal, it isn't unfair, it is merely a play style, one I may not have chosen, but respect it nonetheless. The only Only ONLY way to get rid of engineering completely? simply remove matchmaking altogether. You put in 20 members, you will be hitting 20 members, but who knows whether you have a great war, crush them, or get crushed? I bet a lot more people would be complaining about removing engineering if that were to happen.

Just saying...


Nanofyre, BD

[Gorf]

I think SC has tried to influence the engineering through their Value pak offers. They are defensive oriented (instant L2 Bomb Tower or Inferno's) and push more gold than you can hold in the expectation you'll spend it on more defenses.

They also don't allow you to get additional offers unexcept at key holidays like Thanksgiving/Black Friday and Xmas. Otherwise, you must purchase them to get the additional $.99 1 M gold/pink, 80 gems.

[Hooks59818]

As a person with both an account that is on the maxing path and an engineered account my opinion is both sides are just all about themselves.My account with others that are maxing and similar town hall levels typically see simpler clans. My account in the engineered clan typically sees clans with a wide range of town halls with the low town halls usually being people's mini accounts. So I just want to say to the complaining maxers if you don't want to face engineered clans quit trying to game the system with low level town halls. To the engineered don't brag that you are great when typically you attack a town hall level or two lower than you are.

[SupremeCleave]

You guys are just crazy. Spouting this nonsense. Bringing in politics instantly means you have ZERO credibility.

The vast majority of maxxers want a matchup where either clan has a chance to win. That's all.

Engineers want to fix it so they will win the war before the war even starts.

SC just has to decide whether they want the game to be decided by the MM or by someone's skill in attacking.

The bottom line is if it is good for the overall game to have wars that just plain suck due to engineering.

If I was an engineer, I'd start preparing myself for a massive engineering nerf. SC doesn't comment very often on things and they've already come out and said they don't like engineering.

I'm going to keep the popcorn handy when the engineering nerf hammer from SC hits.

I somewhat agree with the "nerf" and prepare thing. Im already batting down the hatches and upgrading existing defenses hehe. Good for now and in the future since upgrading defenses will prevent triples on my engineered th10 by th9s

[Aspex]

Given the statement by Anoushka, it would seem they're not a fan. If they were a fan of the practice, it's doubtful they'd be altering the matchmaker to reduce their advantage, take longer to match, and get tougher matches outright. They "firmly believe in good balance"

Also, from March (https://forum.supercell.com/showthre...-Matchmaking):

It sounds like high level players preying on low level players with hyper optimized war bases was something they were interested in stopping (although to be fair, some of the changes that went along with that March statement had some, shall we say, unintended effects).


The quote from Jonas' stating "altering one's war weight is how the game is meant to be played" IS something that I have not seen however...

I don't read those quotes as SC saying that they dislike engineering, just that they do not want to see it having an advantage. I envisage, perhaps erroneously, their position being that the distribution of offensive and defensive weight is a matter for clans themselves as long as the MM can provide an equal match.

The harder time finding a match quote I took as a factual statement that, as the clans referred to are pushing the boundaries of the MM, searches would take longer, etc, not as a punitive measure but as a technical necessity. The harder matches quote I took as fair warning that as part of the balancing the advantage such clans had previously would be reduced, leading to harder matches. Again, I did not see that as punitive or arising from dislike, just attempts to balance the MM to make it fairer for all, i.e. good balance.

I have only seen that statement from Jonas referred to on the forums last year. Apparently it was in an interview with Chief Pat but I haven't been able to find it and, on looking, the person who mentioned it did not provide a link to the source interview.