I'm guessing SC has no interest in fair matches? making to much $ off engineered ?

[LittleMoon]

I like how prior to bans, non-cheaters/modders were grouped into "fairplay". Now that engineering is all the rage, us non-engineers are called "maxers" because we don't try to game the system.

Cheaters/modder were never called fairplay. It was also clearly against the tos. If you're not going to contribute anything positive or constructive why bother at all ?
SMH

[Smalls]

that generalization is true. All I see is maxers hating on engineers. The same maxers who dont ask for a mm fix when they have the advantage. I don't blame them though... It's human nature to be selfish.

You guys are just crazy. Spouting this nonsense. Bringing in politics instantly means you have ZERO credibility.

The vast majority of maxxers want a matchup where either clan has a chance to win. That's all.

Engineers want to fix it so they will win the war before the war even starts.

SC just has to decide whether they want the game to be decided by the MM or by someone's skill in attacking.

The bottom line is if it is good for the overall game to have wars that just plain suck due to engineering.

If I was an engineer, I'd start preparing myself for a massive engineering nerf. SC doesn't comment very often on things and they've already come out and said they don't like engineering.

I'm going to keep the popcorn handy when the engineering nerf hammer from SC hits.

[Lunaticfringe]

Most sensible things said in the past couple of pages. Yes the debate slips into irrationality and blind wild claims (the same tired ones repeated over and over even though they've been shown as incorrect multiple times), and yes people aren't hearing/reading what is said or caricaturing it with the same old hollow "haha engineers rock and anyone who expresses any concern for the gameplay is just (insert demeaning insult of choice)". Sadly it's sometimes followed by "engineers are just (insert here)".

Supercell have clearly stated that they have ongoing efforts to address lopsided bases and seek balance. People have repeatedly expressed dissatisfaction with being matched to the clans containing a significant number of lopsided bases created to secure unwarranted advantage in matchmaking, and SC are listening and acting. Most of us understand that it's not a simple issue to solve, not least without lessening the game fun for a huge number of people (the majority I would say) who are off doing their thing having fun just randomly updating or researching stuff or rushing or maxing or whatever they choose, who have never heard of engineering.

Well said...

[gw2kpro]

Maybe I'm naive or very unlucky ( or lucky depending on how you want to see it ), but in over 50 wars and counting we have never met a single engineered clan. Then I see users who claim they match them every 4 to 5 wars. How is that even possible ?

I CAN TELL YOU EXACTLY WHY THAT IS. It has to do with your outlook on things in general.

I have a grade school and middle school kid. My wife teaches and I have coached them in baseball, basketball, and softball as they came through.

It is both saddening and shocking the number of kids that are raised to view the entire world as aligned against them.

They would have straight A's (even though they often don't do their homework) except that the teachers for the past 5 grade levels are picking on them.

We would have won that game (that we didn't play very well in and that little Johnny struck out 3 times in because he doesn't like to be coached to improve his swing which is JUST FINE just ask him) except for the mean umpire had it out for us. Which is then reinforced by horrible behavior by their parents towards the ump both during and after the game.

That gymnastics competition my snowflake was in was rigged from the start. Proof is that she came in third.

You name it. COC is no different. It's a lot easier to claim you got a "horrible matchup" in explaining a loss than to realize that maybe, oh I don't know, you need to get off the mass drag fixation now that you're a mid th9 or now that you're a th10+ you might need to learn how to perform multi-stage attacks, learn how to loon, etc.

People told you not to rush to th10 with level 12 heroes. But you did anyway because those infernos can help you defend so much better. And then want to cry about getting matched with high level heroes or even a 10.5 that does not have the benefit of those infernos in war and farming.

[LittleMoon]

I CAN TELL YOU EXACTLY WHY THAT IS. It has to do with your outlook on things in general.

I have a grade school and middle school kid. My wife teaches and I have coached them in baseball, basketball, and softball as they came through.

It is both saddening and shocking the number of kids that are raised to view the entire world as aligned against them.

They would have straight A's (even though they often don't do their homework) except that the teachers for the past 5 grade levels are picking on them.

We would have won that game (that we didn't play very well in and that little Johnny struck out 3 times in because he doesn't like to be coached to improve his swing which is JUST FINE just ask him) except for the mean umpire had it out for us. Which is then reinforced by horrible behavior by their parents towards the ump both during and after the game.

That gymnastics competition my snowflake was in was rigged from the start. Proof is that she came in third.

You name it. COC is no different. It's a lot easier to claim you got a "horrible matchup" in explaining a loss than to realize that maybe, oh I don't know, you need to get off the mass drag fixation now that you're a mid th9 or now that you're a th10+ you might need to learn how to perform multi-stage attacks, learn how to loon, etc.

People told you not to rush to th10 with level 12 heroes. But you did anyway because those infernos can help you defend so much better. And then want to cry about getting matched with high level heroes or even a 10.5 that does not have the benefit of those infernos in war and farming.

What does this even mean ? I have not unlocked dragons yet and I was not complaining about nothing being against me, LOL. Did you mean to quote someone else or did you just go insane ?

[gw2kpro]

What does this even mean ? I have not unlocked dragons yet and I was not complaining about nothing being against me, LOL. Did you mean to quote someone else or did you just go insane ?

Neither. Just supporting your argument that people who have a fixation on blaming all war ailments on an unfair MM system (when all players have access to the exact same MM system) goes a lot deeper than clash.

Your position was that your clan is rarely seeing engineered clans. But, if you were a person whose outlook was that the planets were aligned against them, you'd probably have a different take.

Those kinds of folks are the ones up here screaming they're always getting railroaded with MM. Which is not really the case. Everyone gets the short end sometimes.

[PigulusMaximus]

Neither. Just supporting your argument that people who have a fixation on blaming all war ailments on an unfair MM system (when all players have access to the exact same MM system) goes a lot deeper than clash.

The analogy isnt comparable. Clash is agame, what you're describing is culture/intergenerational tension. SuperCell can fix the problems here with coding. No one has ever fixed intergenerational/cultural/blame tensions with such ease.

[gw2kpro]

The analogy isnt comparable. Clash is agame, what you're describing is culture/intergenerational tension. SuperCell can fix the problems here with coding. No one has ever fixed intergenerational/cultural/blame tensions with such ease.

I would bet every dollar that I have ever made and will ever make that if a deity came down from on high and bestowed SC with a "perfect" MM code, not a week would go by that someone was not up here crying about their war matchup being unfair and the reason their war streak was snapped.

[Monkeyhole]

I CAN TELL YOU EXACTLY WHY THAT IS. It has to do with your outlook on things in general.

I have a grade school and middle school kid. My wife teaches and I have coached them in baseball, basketball, and softball as they came through.

It is both saddening and shocking the number of kids that are raised to view the entire world as aligned against them.

They would have straight A's (even though they often don't do their homework) except that the teachers for the past 5 grade levels are picking on them.

We would have won that game (that we didn't play very well in and that little Johnny struck out 3 times in because he doesn't like to be coached to improve his swing which is JUST FINE just ask him) except for the mean umpire had it out for us. Which is then reinforced by horrible behavior by their parents towards the ump both during and after the game.

That gymnastics competition my snowflake was in was rigged from the start. Proof is that she came in third.

You name it. COC is no different. It's a lot easier to claim you got a "horrible matchup" in explaining a loss than to realize that maybe, oh I don't know, you need to get off the mass drag fixation now that you're a mid th9 or now that you're a th10+ you might need to learn how to perform multi-stage attacks, learn how to loon, etc.

People told you not to rush to th10 with level 12 heroes. But you did anyway because those infernos can help you defend so much better. And then want to cry about getting matched with high level heroes or even a 10.5 that does not have the benefit of those infernos in war and farming.

This

It use to be the fault of the evil modders that their clan lost. Now modding has taken a big hit it's the fault of the those mean engineers.

It has nothing to do with that they got out played by a better clan.

This is why so many of the anti engineers keep calling it cheating and bullying. Completely forgotting the fact that anytime they attack a weaker th they are technically bullying

[Lunaticfringe]

I would bet every dollar that I have ever made and will ever make that if a deity came down from on high and bestowed SC with a "perfect" MM code, not a week would go by that someone was not up here crying about their war matchup being unfair and the reason their war streak was snapped.

I agree that there are people who they themselves are the issue.

The challenge here is that despite cries from some who might be unreasonable, it seems there most certainly can be match-ups that strain logic. It's this piece of the puzzle that might still need some tweaking.