Possible solution to engineered bases

[waxbaseee]

Do what you want. Nobody, least of all me, is requesting you to change. I'm not here to stop you from playing how you want.

I'm here saying you should be matched up against opponents in war fairly that play like you - that results in skills based war outcomes - not an exploitation in an algorithm.

until SC changes the algorithm, complaining here wont work.

[TheSeachicken]

you know how long it takes for a defless MAX 11?

Wait - are you suggesting the time it may take (gemming aside) somehow justifies exploiting the algorithm? What, like you paid some debt or something and get to roll someone who likely spent equal time building defense AND troops?

[waxbaseee]

Wait - are you suggesting the time it may take (gemming aside) somehow justifies exploiting the algorithm? What, like you paid some debt or something and get to roll someone who likely spent equal time building defense AND troops?

equal?

really?

defless takes years for max11, waay shorter than the max th9s u say they r hitting.

btw, refer to my post b4 this

[TankSinatra]

Its been true from day one, you exploit the algorithm or get exploited by it. Max def low heroes? Bad idea. Drop heavy defense immediately on TH upgrade then not upgrade offense for a couple months? Bad idea. Bring a th8 to war that's learning to attack? Probably fine. TH10 that rarely 2 stars? Bad idea.
Everybody's engineering, and hating on everyone that takes it one step farther. Poo is flung in all directions, and generally the most furious are the 'anti-engineering engineers' whose particular style of engineering just got hit by the nerf bat. They'd gotten so accustomed to having an edge, suddenly being on the other side of the mismatch is a rude awakening.
Perhaps defenseless needs a further nerf, its not clear to me but I doubt it as my nonengineered clan never sees them, and my engineered clan almost never sees them. I suspect they're a great way to pound th6/th7 clans but wars aren't competitive at that level anyway.
One question for the haters, when was the golden age of matchmaking? When's matchmaking been better than now?

[topbtm]

Its been true from day one, you exploit the algorithm or get exploited by it. Max def low heroes? Bad idea. Drop heavy defense immediately on TH upgrade then not upgrade offense for a couple months? Bad idea. Bring a th8 to war that's learning to attack? Probably fine. TH10 that rarely 2 stars? Bad idea.
Everybody's engineering, and hating on everyone that takes it one step farther. Poo is flung in all directions, and generally the most furious are the 'anti-engineering engineers' whose particular style of engineering just got hit by the nerf bat. They'd gotten so accustomed to having an edge, suddenly being on the other side of the mismatch is a rude awakening.
Perhaps defenseless needs a further nerf, its not clear to me but I doubt it as my nonengineered clan never sees them, and my engineered clan almost never sees them. I suspect they're a great way to pound th6/th7 clans but wars aren't competitive at that level anyway.
One question for the haters, when was the golden age of matchmaking? When's matchmaking been better than now?

I may add, some of the most vocal anti-engineers are modders, closet-modders or modder sympathisers. Oh the hypocrisy: breaking the rules of the game is more acceptable in their eyes, than exploiting the game mechanics within the rules of the game... BTW, it is debatable whether engineers succeed in exploiting the advantage - I don't think so. And I have yet to see ANYONE who can show me that engineers gain a CONSISTENT advantage in the mm. One mismatch advantage in 5 wars is not CONSISTENT and not a proof of anything.

[BbaBaba123]

I may add, some of the most vocal anti-engineers are modders, closet-modders or modder sympathisers. O h the hypocrisy: breaking the rules of the game is more acceptable in their eyes, than exploiting the game mechanics within the rules of the game...

I find this hard to believe.

[GenFgts]

to be fair, the guy he's replying to claims to have spent $3k Australian on his account, so likely not as long as one would think...

I've probably spent more then 3k bud... and I keep spending $30 every 3 weeks so I can get to 45 hero's and have a crack at hitting th11's . The only way that you guys are thinking there going to alter with engineered bases I personally think they will hurt every th9 and 10 also .

[SupremeCleave]

I find this hard to believe.

its actually true. there was a guy from a mod clan here once complaining

[BbaBaba123]

its actually true. there was a guy from a mod clan here once complaining

That may be true for one, but the way it was said is basically generalizing all anti engineers under a foul title.

[Krzeng9]

1. Super Cell writes the laws. But the law is just an opinion with a gun. It is no metric of right, wrong, or fair. The fact that they don't issue bans, which I don't want, and most don't want, doesn't mean that exploiting algorithms to win wars is ridiculously stupid and unfair.
2. Nobody is asking for perfection. Stop strawmanning. The requests are for better balance, particularly at the top, so that both clans have a reasonable chance of winning and where skill dictates the outcome of the result as opposed to rigging the matchup.
3. One Hive doesn't engineer because they don't have to. Their clan is composed entirely of high level bases of O and D. Engineering simply does not impact them due to this clan structure as they operate on a very high mean where the only outcome is another clan at a high mean. There's nothing for those clans to gain in engineering. If you sit balanced with th7, th8, th9, even th10, you're fodder for engineers.
4. Mathematics isn't hard. Examining statistical normalization of both offense and defense through a clan also isn't hard. Looking at defensive versus offensive characteristics isn't hard. The way weight is currently allocated between O and D, and the weight of defensive objects is completely absurd, and totally arbitrary. It doesn't reflect mathematical realities. This is the very thing that opened the match making system up to exploitation in the first place.

1. This is Supercell's world and they dictate what is right and wrong. The wrong gets banned. That is your opinion, SC's matters infinitely more in their world.
2. I find that a bit hypocritical of you. Saying I'm strawmanning then you proceeding to do the same in point 3 and 4.
3. See point 2. Also someone asked for a lv10+ clan that doesn't engineer, OneHive is lv10+. Doesn't matter why they don't engineer, the point is they don't. Again, see point 2.
4. Never said it was hard, see point 2. I think you used "statistical normalization" wrong there, you clearly don't know what it actually means, see point 2. The mathematical realities of what? Yes the weights are disproportionate between defences of similar dps and hp, I agree there. Well actually what opened up exploitation in the first place was war itself, unless it randomly matches 2 teams without regard to the contents of said teams.

You need to stop using the thesaurus to find big words to make you sound professional; it only makes you sound pretentious.