Is this fair play?

[Monkeyhole]

Why are you being so thick headed? I clearly clarified which type of defenseless base I was talking about, and you gave some off-handed example that wasn't the type I was referring to

And even so, that's only one base. Just because one person has a defenseless base is 2014 doesn't mean everyone does. Your logic is flawed.

Who's logic is flawed? How could a base that was engineered for war exists before wars were introduced?

People were doing defensless bases long before wars. You can go back and read lots of threads on here about it.

[NotTheRealPaul]

The only reason you're deeming your playstyle smarter is because it exploits the matchmaking significantly.

That just makes you sound more scummy.

It IS a strategy game, and my strategy should work just as much as yours.

Why should maxing my base be less effective than the opposite, engineering?

They should be equal in effectiveness.

First, I dont engineer. Its NOT my way of playing.

Second. Strategy is a plan to achieve a goal. A better plan, aka a better strategy, should reward the one who did it. Play smart, not hard.

[BrianTheBarbarian]

Who's logic is flawed? How could a base that was engineered for war exists before wars were introduced?

People were doing defensless bases long before wars. You can go back and read lots of threads on here about it.

Lol, show me at least 5 threads about engineered clans, and then show me at least 5 war logs with engineered clans before 2014.

You won't.

[Reefus]

That's not what the analogy was about. i was using it as an analogy to exploitation, which steroids can be defined as, since they're a resource that you benefit from to win baseball games, similar to engineering's exploitation of the matchmaking.

This has nothing to do with TOS violation

I understood the analogy and it doesn't make sense. Engineering is not forbidden. Steroids are.

[NotTheRealPaul]

The standard way is the way most people play, what I call, and many others, "maxing."

Statistics please

And here we see how people have the capacity to read and interpret a phrase.. It's not to ban the players, the clans must be banned (or closed, whatever)..
Ok, let's see the unfair question in a different way, without rushed bases. If we see the people complaining about a war containing 5 TH10 and the rest TH9, the enemy clan number 1 and 2 are TH11 almost maximized and impossible to 3 star. Isn't this a matchmaking fail ? In this war that I started today, my clan have only TH8, Th7 and Th5. Is it correct to find an enemy clan where the number 1 is an maximized th9, impossible to an TH8 3 star? This one is not rushed, so where is the fair thing? They can 3 star all our base, but we can't even draw the war...

Thats not an engineers fault, thats matchmaking. Why punish the player for the devs fault?

[BrianTheBarbarian]

First, I dont engineer. Its NOT my way of playing.

Second. Strategy is a plan to achieve a goal. A better plan, aka a better strategy, should reward the one who did it. Play smart, not hard.

All you're saying is to play smart, instead of addressing my points.

Tell me, why should playing the game not intended by the developers be more rewarding?

Oh wait, it shouldn't.

And before you tell me it's intended by the developers, please see TH sniping:

it's exactly the same as engineering:

Unfair advantange(free shield)
Within TOS

[Adevati]

Our clan has finally given up clan wars. We have a wide array of TH levels, but none are rushed. Our lower levels are usually kids of our higher level members. We have now gotten 3 engineered rosters in a row. Multiple defenceless and multiple .5 bases up top. So many people have opted out due to frustration that we can't get regular wars going without trying to convince people to opt in.

I will admit that long ago (before the CW matchmaking change) I started a defenceless for novelty. It is now TH8. This account has never warred and isn't even in our clan. But I resent the fact that this account would be far more valuable to my clan than my near max account. Anyone that can't see this as a problem is enamoured in their own enjoyment of exploiting a poor system.

[Monkeyhole]

Lol, show me at least 5 threads about engineered clans, and then show me at least 5 war logs with engineered clans before 2014.

You won't.

You want war logs from a time before wars?

[yantato]

Why does it matter if it's within the game rules? It's a dishonest and unjustified way to play the game, considering you ruin it for people who play it the standard way. I wouldn't care about engineering if it was BALANCED. That's all we need. I don't want engineers to be banned, I just want the algorithms to balance them so

1. They face other engineers.
2. They face casuals/maxers but are still evenly balanced(somehow.)

Do you think we can reach common ground here? Balance the game so both sides are satisfied(unless you can't get over not being able to have HUGE advantages in war.)

first off, let me clear some few things up first:

1) unless you can't get over not being able to have HUGE advantages in war
I'm not an engineer, I'm actually maxing my base. So I hope that when you use "YOU" in your statements you no longer think that I'm for engineered bases/war advantages/etc because I -might- be an engineer. I'm here because I enjoy discussing the topic

2) yes a common ground FOR matchmaking would be nice.

So let's start..

Why does it matter if it's within the game rules?
It matters because they are still playing with the guidelines, and that is what fun is for them, I hope you won't say something like "I don't care if they are having fun, play the game normally." because, simply put, no. There is no rule on how one should play the game. It's all about sticking to rules

Sadly, I don't think its possible for matchmaking to detect engineered bases, matches are based on war weight, two similar weighted TH9s for example - would be hard for the system to tell apart if one did or did not have xbows built, just basing on weight

We might be going a bit off topic, but what they could do is something like, to first match up similar TH levels probably, and then calculate weights

[rangermerah]

That's not how I'm using steroids.

I'm calling them exploitation, because they can be viewed this way:

Steroids = benefitting from resource to win games
Engineering = benefitting from matchmaking to win wars

oh man.. steroid is something else. its another things you inject into your body.
in clash we have xmod app that inject/alter the normal body of the game. and they should be banned.