A response to Ash's video about Winterfell Gods

[cnaf]

If SC would come out and officially say they think engineering is a strategy, it would most certainly invalidate any arguments on my side. In fact if they would officially say that engineering is what they envisioned as the way to do wars, I would either quit the game or start heavily engineering my clan (not 100% which of those 2).

I want to see it in an announcement from SC staff here, or in an interview with a dev.

I highly doubt SuperCell would ever take such a stance. In fact, I might even put money on it. More likely, they will follow their previous stances and go with the standard, this is not how we intended the game to be played position. Probably make a point that Clash is a strategy game, and thus players are permitted and even expected to design their base in a way that helps them be successful...however taking this to the extreme and creating a super clan that cannot ever lose is not in the spirit of the game.

Tweaks will be made to dial it back a bit, and hopefully whatever tweaks they adopt to adjust the MM algorithm doesn't cause a bigger issue elsewhere.

[MrCreosote]

where there are achievements, there are haters.

just ignore the haters and enjoy your rightfully earned war loot by using a strategy available to all in a strategy game.

Keep on keeping on then hopefully one tentacle gets you in its grasp. They have many,,,

[Zeddicious]

Couldnt have responded better myself. Competiton is a word I am affraid people now days fear more than anything. Its most definitely no accomplishment to beat inferior opponent war after war because you have done everything in your power to avoid players of equal caliber to yourself.

Perfectly said. I don't even understand why people try and argue this.

Oh wait, yes I do, its because they actually think they're better than they are and there's nothing wrong with it.

[knmmartijn]

Look at it from the other clans perspective. If I would be this kind of a match-up, I would be pretty ♥♥♥♥♥♥ too. Now I understand that you can say to me "Well you should do this too". And that would be true.

The problem is *most* clash players do not have the time or the energy to make such clans. Then you could say to me "Well then they deserve to loose". And this is also true.

But I can assure you, if you and your clan does not have this kind of will and just wants to progress "normally" (ie. built some offenses and some defenses) and you get these kind of matchups more and more, would you still be interested in war? Would you shrug it off and say, next war will be different?

Forward a few match ups like these and what do you think would happen to these clans and these people? I bet they would quit warring, or quit the clan. Or even worse quit the game. Or even MORE worse, start trolling around in clans.

Now you may call me whatever, but I really fear for the state of this game when war becomes unplayable for the more casual war players. You know, the most people who are not THAT into the game but can still pull off a decent war attack.
I fear that we will have less and less players and clans for this game. Is this vision too negative or realistic?

[dorsan]

I highly doubt SuperCell would ever take such a stance. In fact, I might even put money on it. More likely, they will follow their previous stances and go with the standard, this is not how we intended the game to be played position. Probably make a point that Clash is a strategy game, and thus players are permitted and even expected to design their base in a way that helps them be successful...however taking this to the extreme and creating a super clan that cannot ever lose is not in the spirit of the game.

Tweaks will be made to dial it back a bit, and hopefully whatever tweaks they adopt to adjust the MM algorithm doesn't cause a bigger issue elsewhere.

Oh I 100% agree. I was just talking about the proposed hypothetical situation.

[farenhawk]

Let's be honest If u like competition, you upgrade whatever you want and do the best you can , but if are affraid of failure and fear losing engineering is perfect. It's the decisions we must all make as clashers!!!

[Superfinch30]

Look at it from the other clans perspective. If I would be this kind of a match-up, I would be pretty ♥♥♥♥♥♥ too. Now I understand that you can say to me "Well you should do this too". And that would be true.

The problem is *most* clash players do not have the time or the energy to make such clans. Then you could say to me "Well then they deserve to loose". And this is also true.

But I can assure you, if you and your clan does not have this kind of will and just wants to progress "normally" (ie. built some offenses and some defenses) and you get these kind of matchups more and more, would you still be interested in war? Would you shrug it off and say, next war will be different?

Forward a few match ups like these and what do you think would happen to these clans and these people? I bet they would quit warring, or quit the clan. Or even worse quit the game. Or even MORE worse, start trolling around in clans.

Now you may call me whatever, but I really fear for the state of this game when war becomes unplayable for the more casual war players. You know, the most people who are not THAT into the game but can still pull off a decent war attack.
I fear that we will have less and less players and clans for this game. Is this vision too negative or realistic?

Excellent.

Repeat: do NOT personally care about engineering, from the selfish stance of that it really can't harm me.

But that's a fine thinking post there, and not excessively doomsday shouting really.

[dorsan]

Look at it from the other clans perspective. If I would be this kind of a match-up, I would be pretty ♥♥♥♥♥♥ too. Now I understand that you can say to me "Well you should do this too". And that would be true.

The problem is *most* clash players do not have the time or the energy to make such clans. Then you could say to me "Well then they deserve to loose". And this is also true.

But I can assure you, if you and your clan does not have this kind of will and just wants to progress "normally" (ie. built some offenses and some defenses) and you get these kind of matchups more and more, would you still be interested in war? Would you shrug it off and say, next war will be different?

Forward a few match ups like these and what do you think would happen to these clans and these people? I bet they would quit warring, or quit the clan. Or even worse quit the game. Or even MORE worse, start trolling around in clans.

Now you may call me whatever, but I really fear for the state of this game when war becomes unplayable for the more casual war players. You know, the most people who are not THAT into the game but can still pull off a decent war attack.
I fear that we will have less and less players and clans for this game. Is this vision too negative or realistic?

This is probably a much better argument than any of the arguments I've ever wrote against engineering.

There is absolutely nothing anyone can dispute in what you wrote. Very well done.

[andrgin]

Let's be honest If u like competition, you upgrade whatever you want and do the best you can , but if are affraid of failure and fear losing engineering is perfect. It's the decisions we must all make as clashers!!!

So I should war with a lot of th8s that only have barch upgraded and have ads lvl4?

Engineering means you invest hours after hozrs in studying war matchmaking and how it behaves and try to find a way to get the most output for your cost. For example I prefer not building mortars and wizard towers or at least not building one of them, because in my opinion having an extra ad level or tesla level is more important than having an extra mortar.
You are thinking if a golem or 4 extra valks are the better choice for your attack. I am thinking if a mortar or an ad level is better. I dont see a difference here. Anyone can spend hours on building instrumented bases like everyone can spend hours on building good warbases or practicing war attacks in farming or friendly challenges. If you are lazy it is your own fault.

[Vikingchief]

Look at it from the other clans perspective. If I would be this kind of a match-up, I would be pretty ♥♥♥♥♥♥ too. Now I understand that you can say to me "Well you should do this too". And that would be true.

The problem is *most* clash players do not have the time or the energy to make such clans. Then you could say to me "Well then they deserve to loose". And this is also true.

But I can assure you, if you and your clan does not have this kind of will and just wants to progress "normally" (ie. built some offenses and some defenses) and you get these kind of matchups more and more, would you still be interested in war? Would you shrug it off and say, next war will be different?

Forward a few match ups like these and what do you think would happen to these clans and these people? I bet they would quit warring, or quit the clan. Or even worse quit the game. Or even MORE worse, start trolling around in clans.

Now you may call me whatever, but I really fear for the state of this game when war becomes unplayable for the more casual war players. You know, the most people who are not THAT into the game but can still pull off a decent war attack.
I fear that we will have less and less players and clans for this game. Is this vision too negative or realistic?

this is definitely a risk if engineering becomes too dominant, so glad you didnt revert to the insults of cheat, exploit etc used by others, their is definitely a risk of engineering going to far to the point that casuals lose interest, and for the good of the game, this should be adressed, not become engineering is evil or a cheat.

this doesnt mean we need parity, just the right amount of advantage for th right amount of effort. The advantage should be small.