Introducing the Friendly Challenge!

[Harry1803]

c'mon you survived the december update.

The only complaint you have is some obscure no-life clan is going to abuse it ?? Think about yourself and your clan man.. i'm sure you can see the fun in having this feature. The same obscure no-life clan is doing all it can today as well with burner accounts or what have you.

I don't think you understand how big the hardcore FairPlay war community is. Just because you are in a chill clan (which is fine) this may not affect you and this is probably a good update for you but you should at least understand that in the grand scheme of things lots of clans will suffer (same people as before) because if what they say is true what was called modding is now allowable and encouraged.

Hardcore FairPlay war guys are getting annoyed with SC because they keep getting it wrong for us or simply don't care about us. Seems like they banned modding so we had a 3 week party and then they're gonna turn back around and take it all away.

[Topology]

Not if supercell implements a 48 hour practice freeze on all newly created bases. This would stop the feature from being abused in war--real clan or burner clan.

Yep, didnt think about sister clans. A solid 48 hour timeout on friendly attacks after edit is the way to go to prevent advantage in war to those who have free time to copy and attack bases over and over.

I am looking forward to the feature to help train new members and iterate on base design. Hate the idea of waiting 48 hours to get real feedback on base design, but hate even more the idea of abuse in war.

[PostLifeDTLA]

Supercell - this thread has yielded some good recommendations that you should consider. The solution I like best is a cool down between base creation and when it can be Friendly Challenged. I don't know what you guys have rolling out in this update, but choose a "cool off" period that will cover any war prep/fight time-frame. With this latency added to the mix, you will still get people using the feature to try out new attacks or base designs, but keep the war community happy. Win/Win.

If you don't do this you are changing the entire CoC existence for the War Community - perhaps a small but very vocal, active slice of the population. They are Influencers and you don't want to lose their support.

I know that you are trying to balance the game to get higher User Engagement which increases revenues ... i.e. in game purchases. I have no problem with that as I understand the perils of a Freemium model ... believe me I do ... more than most

Big fan of the game and your work! Best of Luck ...

[lordgc]

..they would have kicked your butt anyway!!!

One of the few sensible arguments on the forums today - I agree with that. Everybody who is panicking needs to calm down and think about themself and their clan. Not about the FPC or clan wars or world peace. I for one would love this feature in my clan

[Adomus]

it's quite simple. there are three camps in this debate

trophy farmers - support this
war cheaters - support this
fair play war clans - do not support this

there are far more trophy farmers than there are FP players. on top of that, trophy farmers spend more on gems that FP players. supercell will always side on whoever makes them more money. sorry fair play clans, but we'll never get what we want. the end.

Incorrect, FP war clans don't support this being used to abuse the clan-war system. Other than that we are all for it.

Why destroy the whole war scene?

[MrAnonymous1113]

It has its pros & cons but once you look at it beyond War it's a great feature IMO. No more waiting to be raided so you can adjust your base. You can hit Global up to see if anyone up for a Challenge. Sort of a mini 1 on 1 War, which doesn't take 2 days to complete. Which you can arrange with a couple of Clanmates & do a 3 on 3 or whatever, you might have to break out a pen & some paper to keep up with damage % & stars, but it still will be fun.

[MavJ]

Lol how are they going to catch them most people has more then one account and more then one clan some clans has 5 sister clans or more this is not a good ideal

Sorry for the confusion. I was just talking about how this update seems hypocritical. Step 1: Ban people for copying bases and getting an advantage in clan war. Step 2: Lets give everyone the ability to copy bases an get an advantage in clan war. Step 3: We get more money and hopefully those banned people come back....I don't think the idea is a good one, but unfortunately they own the company so we either adapt or quit.

Allowing it in clan war though is pretty unacceptable in every way for most who care about attacking a fresh base and taking a few minutes to understand troop AI. If you want to be good at something it requires effort for most people. If you want everything given to you thats fine just make sure you don't get a job, marry someone poor, or have back luck playing the lottery.

[TPS]

It has its pros & cons but once you look at it beyond War it's a great feature IMO. No more waiting to be raided so you can adjust your base. You can hit Global up to see if anyone up for a Challenge. Sort of a mini 1 on 1 War, which doesn't take 2 days to complete. Which you can arrange with a couple of Clanmates & do a 3 on 3 or whatever, you might have to break out a pen & some paper to keep up with damage % & stars, but it still will be fun.

Yes, you are correct in all your assumptions. Since I am a predominately war guy, I tend to look at every update(albeit the quality of life ones) from the perspective of war. If SC can come up with ways to limit its function with respect to war, I am cool with it.

[ChiefTuk]

I still don't see many clans out there that are really going to turn to this as the new xmod. One huge difference, is it requires clanmates who will take the time to carefully replicate an enemy base. It takes me 30 minutes to make a perfect copy of a th9. th10 & th11 will take even longer. Then you either need a clanmate who is willing to keep issuing challenges for hours or happen to have a second account that is a very close match to the base you want to sandbox. I'm sure it's going to be abused, but I'm really skeptical that this will really be as widespread as modding. It simply requires much, much more time to implement.

You guys are delusional if you think the thousands of elite, hardcore war players outspend the millions of people who rush to th7 & quit after spending $20 or $30 on gems. That's SC's real revenue, not us.

That said, I agree that SC is sending a confusing message about fairplay here. There have been a couple really easy fixes proposed that will keep it from being abused the way xmod was:

1. Limit the number of challenges a player can issue - If you can only make one attack against a given clanmate per day, that means you need to get multiple accounts to keep duplicating a base.

2. Require layouts to have been active for 48 hours before they can be used for sandbox - If this applies to all new layouts, not just clans in war, that shuts down the ability 100%.


SC needs to offer some explanation as to whether they are intending this as a way to keep former modders from leaving & an incentive to abide by the ToS or if they really didn't see that some people really will spend all day sandboxing.

[lordgc]

..and then they're gonna turn back around and take it all away.

I understand your perspective yes. It does feel a bit like betrayal. I was part of two of those OH and CS, dont have time anymore so I am chilling in my friends/rl clan.

I am not sure if there are so many super serious war clans. OH, WW, NR, RO.. etc lets say there are 30 of them, lets include the feeders and the aspirants and make it 100. That is like 5000 clashers tops. There are approx 80 mill users logging in and out (source: clashofclansforecaster.com).

All I'm saying is - from a bigger perspective, there might be more people enjoying this feature.