Th7 mass dragon attacks

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Originally Posted by TheScavenger350

Giving TH7s a Third Air Defense is not an option, as you would unlock two new Air Defenses at TH7, which does not allow for a smooth upgrade curve.

I think TH7s should only be allowed Level 1 Dragons, and even then they should have their health and damage removed, as well as an additional Seeking Air Mine. It also wouldn't hurt to have the 5th Cannnon taken away to make ground attackers slightly easier. I never understood why TH7 had two cannons unlocked, when the most dominant strategy is an air attack.

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Glad to hear that an experienced forumer approves👍🏻👍🏻

...I think this is a lot of discussion for something that shouldn't be changed.

Helping clanmates climb up to th6.5 by throwing max troops in their requests so they can get L4 lightning and L2 dragons is really challenging and expensive, but it pays heavy dividends in wars. We wouldnt even mess with th6s or th7s if the th7 mass drag attack was nerfed. That's the first point where a novice becomes useful. The clan perks also make their troops better than worthless to other clan mates so there is value to having them around.

Stop this nonsense. You'll break the game.

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Originally Posted by DraakarDraekonis

...I think this is a lot of discussion for something that shouldn't be changed.

Helping clanmates climb up to th6.5 by throwing max troops in their requests so they can get L4 lightning and L2 dragons is really challenging and expensive, but it pays heavy dividends in wars. We wouldnt even mess with th6s or th7s if the th7 mass drag attack was nerfed. That's the first point where a novice becomes useful. The clan perks also make their troops better than worthless to other clan mates so there is value to having them around.

Stop this nonsense. You'll break the game.

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If you don't include THs 6-7, then you won't match THs 6-7. There is no war advantage or disadvantage.

Clan perks aren't enough to get any TH7 troop to max, so their troops are not for donating in war.

There is no war advantage is having every TH7 freely 3-starred, and unable to attack above, ( it is the same both sides). But it de-skills them in ground attacks.

The reason to include beginner players is that as a result of nurturing and developing, you gain very loyal members.

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Originally Posted by George1971

If you don't include THs 6-7, then you won't match THs 6-7. There is no war advantage or disadvantage.

Clan an perks aren't enough to get any TH7 troop to max, so their troops are not for donating in war.

The he is no war advantage is having every TH7 freely 3-starred, and unable to attack above, and de-skilled in ground attacks.

The reason to include beginner players is that as a result of nurturing and developing, you gain very loyal members.

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Eh. Nurture... mass drag, mass hog... who cares. A win. If they are happy im happy.

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Originally Posted by George1971

If you don't include THs 6-7, then you won't match THs 6-7. There is no war advantage or disadvantage.

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Not sure what you're getting at. We carry 10 th7s with mass drag attacks into every war. I wont discuss why.

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Originally Posted by George1971

Clan perks aren't enough to get any TH7 troop to max, so their troops are not for donating in war.

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Level 3 and level 4 dragons are not worthless. Not max, but not worthless.

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Originally Posted by George1971

There is no war advantage is having every TH7 freely 3-starred, and unable to attack above, ( it is the same both sides). But it de-skills them in ground attacks.

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No, I usually hit th8s with my th7 alt. It gives a pretty big advantage, actually.

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Originally Posted by George1971

The reason to include beginner players is that as a result of nurturing and developing, you gain very loyal members.

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Again, no. We include players for what they contribute to the clan. Most of the lower players we accept are friends of members, but we let anonymous players join if they are th7s because they will be able to contribute to war efforts immediately. You could easily design a th7 base to require 2 drag attacks to be smashed prior to the attack time extension, but its a little bit more hit or miss after. That much I can agree with, but th7 is such a short level that theres no point even bothering with screwing with the mechanics at the risk of screwing something else up.

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Originally Posted by DraakarDraekonis

but th7 is such a short level that theres no point even bothering with screwing with the mechanics at the risk of screwing something else up.

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Correct, any fix to TH7 should not affect any higher level.

Nerfing level 1 and 2 dragons, or giving the third TH8 AD at TH7, these changes would improve the balance at TH7 without altering anything at TH8.

Well, nerfed level 2 dragons might have some effect on TH8 if you like to use a TH7 attack on TH8. Probing I guess, not usually defeating 3 stars? Or is that your point, 10 level 2 dragons plus CC can three star a junior TH8? (We have a wide range of THs, but host few maxed TH7s at any one time)

My preference is to add the third AD at TH7. No effect on TH8 unless maybe less spare attacks to use higher.

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Originally Posted by DraakarDraekonis

Level 3 and level 4 dragons are not worthless. Not max, but not worthless.

No, I usually hit th8s with my th7 alt. It gives a pretty big advantage, actually.

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We are not short of level 5 dragons, so don't use less. Even though they are mostly destined to die from double poison. At least they consume the attackers' time.

Our TH8s are mostly pretty efficient at 3 starring opposition TH8s outright on first attack. Either by dragons+hogs, or hog rush, depending on target layout or just attacker preference.

As far as mass drags hitting th8, it is exactly my point that the attack is designed to hit th7s and th8s up to mid level, just the same as with all town hall levels. I'm saying that if you neef mass drags at th7, you WILL screw with the balance of the game and give th8s an advantage.


Regarding war attacks,
I've actually been having a bit of trouble the past few wars with seeking air mines traveling all the way across a base to kill a dragon that is no where near its range. ...it never targets an injured dragon about to die, but the one that hasnt been touched yet...which results in me losing both dragons. That's screwed up several of my war attacks lately.

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Originally Posted by DraakarDraekonis

As far as mass drags hitting th8, it is exactly my point that the attack is designed to hit th7s and th8s up to mid level, just the same as with all town hall levels. I'm saying that if you neef mass drags at th7, you WILL screw with the balance of the game and give th8s an advantage.

Yeah, I get it. I think the extra AD sounds the best idea. I think the air mines are too weak to effect mass dragons.

Regarding war attacks,
I've actually been having a bit of trouble the past few wars with seeking air mines traveling all the way across a base to kill a dragon that is no where near its range. ...it never targets an injured dragon about to die, but the one that hasnt been touched yet...which results in me losing both dragons. That's screwed up several of my war attacks late

Haven't seen that for a long time. A SAM is triggered by a dragon or balloon that dies before being hit. The SAM re targets to another dragon without any range limitation.

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It happened during one of my th8 war attacks last night. SAM hit my remaining healthy L3 dragon and wiped him off the map with 1 shot. It even passed over an injured drag to kill the healthy one, which cost me the 3rd star against a target that i dont think our lowers will have much luck against...so that made me mad.