Star Bonus, Treasury, Loot Cart and more!

I like the idea of rewards for stars! I think it needs to be more than just a 5 star thing. 5 stars should be where it starts. 6, 7, 8. Rewards for the number of three star attacks within a certain time frame. Keep going with this super cell. Make the game fun to play again.

On defense, I admit, I hate seeing my base steamrolled. I am constantly adjusting it to try and keep my loot. So the idea of not loosing as much loot appeals to me, however, I really think super cell needs to reward folks for winning a defense. Supercell should award the defender based on how many troops the attacker drops. If the attacker uses a full army with spells and doesn't get 50%, the defender should get a nice loot bonus.

Right now, I am a town hall nine. Everything is done, except about 20 walls. I have a shield and my incentive to break it is really low, I am hanging on to a game I used to love in hopes that Super Cell can make it fun again.

One other thing I would like to see is a change with regular attacking. When folks upgrade, they automatically get matched with that new town hall. Despite the fact that they don't have troops that can really tackle these new town hall bases. Super Cell should match bases like it does in war. A brand new town hall should be matched to the previous town hall or at least bases that aren't maxed out.

I get matched to town hall 10's with maxed infernos a lot these days, and I am not even a town hall 10 yet. I am not excited about the idea of upgrading. I like a challenge, but am not fond of suicide missions.

I really loved getting a new dragon level at town hall 9, but it seems to me that it is pointless. You go from town hall 8 to nine, get an upgraded dragon... But have another sweeper, air defense, archer queen, and two xbows. I'd like to see the dragon get a boost. Not to make it OP, but so that on occasion, if played right you can actually get a three star with it. Why do we always nerf troops.

I gave the last update a chance. ...no more chances....

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Originally Posted by Pr3st0n

its been out since dec10. plenty of time to assess customer approval. its low at the moment

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I think he is reffering to the loot cart update that sc has announced

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Originally Posted by Pr3st0n

its been out since dec10. plenty of time to assess customer approval. its low at the moment

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I really don't think customer approval is as low as it used to be.

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Originally Posted by Anoushka[Supercell]

Hello Clashers,

As mentioned in our latest posts, we’re currently working on an update that we intend to roll out as soon as possible. In the meantime here is a preview of what’s coming:

Introducing the new Star Bonus! Win five stars in Multiplayer attacks in order to win a daily resource bonus!

Housed in your Clan Castle, the Treasury is the safest place to store resources. Your daily Star Bonus and War Loot Bonus are automatically stored in the Treasury for safeguarding and only a very small percentage can be stolen.

Last but not least, we’ll introduce the Loot Cart. After your village has been attacked, a percentage of the stolen resources will be added to a Loot Cart in your Village. Once you collect the resources from the Loot Cart, these will be transferred to your Treasury for safeguarding.

Besides these new features, the update will also include a few bug fixes and battle balancing tweaks.

We’ll provide more details soon, stay tuned, and let us know what you think!


- Clash of Clans Dev Team ​

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The Star Bonus, if implemented correctly, looks to address my #1 concern with the rest of the "sneak peek", that being that anything done to address loot needs to not discourage attacking. I'm guessing the Star Bonus is basically stars won over multiple attacks in a day that, once you reach the five stars, you unlock some bonus (either based on league or based on loot taken in your best five attacks)? That would seem to encourage activity, and not just folks hiding behind shields. The other features, Treasury and Loot Cart, would actually seem to discourage attacking, at least on their own. Depending on the kind of daily resource bonus, that Star Bonus might be enough to counter the other two changes.

I still think an elixir/dark elixir refund while attacking in multi-player would be a good idea. Something like 50%, and then a clan perk that increases it up to a max of 75%? That way people can actually afford to use expensive troops (which is part of the new dynamic set up by having no outside Town Halls; now folks need to use real armies if they really want to take down a base and not just get 29% / 0 stars and steal as much loot as they can).

Speaking of 29%, I really hope there's something in the update to discourage this kind of griefing. Maybe only allow folks to get the loot they've stolen if they actually get 1 star? Coupled with the elixir/dark elixir troop cost refund, this would encourage people to use armies suitable for destroying a village, while discouraging them from trying to "grief" players by not giving out shields.

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Originally Posted by kima09

He found dead base in every of his raid... Only nexting for about 3/4 Times or in the first place and gain about 700k-800k of both gold and elixer with barch. But me? I can't find any of dead base and all the base i found holds only about 70/80k or even less of hold and elixer, the one which holds more than 100k are always too strong for me even with my war troops... Sometimes i can't gain the nexting cost. This really annoy me and whenever he send me the screenshot of his raid, i always get even more irritated then ever before...

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I've seen this kind of game behavior in another game. Some players seem "lucky" while others can't catch a break.

It all feels a lot like one of those psychology experiments where one monkey is given food while another is given none. Eventually the second monkey becomes enraged due to the situation.

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Originally Posted by m4thw1z

I used to like to watch The Land Before Time and play Hungry Hungry Hippos when I was a kid. I dont care about those things anymore. I am happy that times changed and they improved the quality of entertainment since then.

Everyone was mad that there were no changes. They made some changes and now everyone wants them to get rid of the changes.

As for people saying they spent a lot of money on their base and it isnt fair because of that: You got enjoyment from the product because of the money you spent. Now that it has changed you got your moneys worth and it may be time to move on. Nintendo, Sega, and Playstation did not refund money or listen to my concerns as they began to abandon systems or I began to outgrow it.

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Well said.....

This is another halfhearted attempt at fixing the problems they made. This is just a bandage for the sorry update from December.

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Originally Posted by stormnorman15

I think he is reffering to the loot cart update that sc has announced

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possibly. do we know if this is a permanent thing? i have seen a few more dead bases but I only find them way low in cups. I think some of the continued discontent is the swirling question mark on whether they did it to momentarily appease or if its here to stay.

Wouldn't it be simpler to bring back sniping and 100% loot bonus at 50% attack damage? Also return the loot stored in the town hall to the loot stores.

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Originally Posted by MICTYSON187

Im sorry but this whole, village guard, treasury, loot cart stuff is too much...

just bring it back to the basics.. its frustrating how much im starting to not care about something i used to care so much about... its like every update is an eye roll.

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Totally agree !

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Originally Posted by MiniMustachee

All they need to do is say "We messed, Here's 500 gems and a rollback" but that's too difficult.

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Yeah and roll back the whole th11 content as well, because farming at th11 is completely impossible with the old system if every league above crystal 3 is dry as hell because everyone is cheap shielded.

Yes Supercell messed up a lot by continuing th sniping for 3 years and it was really time to fix that. The same applies to barching inactive bases. We dont have a loot problem in the game. We have a skill problem that even high th10 player often cant attack a base at all because all they have ever done was barch. And we have an activity problem that most players dont attack at all and only live from their collectors. They did a lot in the last update to correct these problems.

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Originally Posted by danielealy

I really don't think customer approval is as low as it used to be.

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if loot remains how it is after they tweaked in early january I would have no remaining discontent regarding teh update.

Seems to me the community has been pretty spot on with their analysis of sneak peaks lately...

Sounds like it will certainly help.

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Originally Posted by raidingisfun

While the changes took some getting used to, I think they are good for the game. PBT was broken out of the box but they fixed it. As for TH sniping, good riddance. I get attacked now! My defenses that I spent so much time upgrading actually have a purpose. Looking forward to see what they do with loot as that seems to be the only issue left.

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Hahaha exactly. Why bother upgrading your base to advance if you aren't using it? Not everyone wants to only showcase it in war.

Star bonus is a bad idea unless the bonus is large enough to cover the troop costs. Other wise, it is another loot sink.


Treasury is neutral. not changing anything.


loot cart is a good idea. It adds loot to the system.

Finding loot isn't a problem, if you aren't finding loot, you aren't raiding. The ultimate problem is keeping the loot that you raided. Understanding that this is a game of gains and losses is essential. You will lose loot. However, losing 2 hours of raiding time every day in terms of loot losses is not OK. It has been taking an average of 3 attacks on my base every night to get a shield. One attack kills my hero's, one attack my clan castle troops and the third takes all of my loot. Typically 400 - 800k gold and elixir and 2700 de, a day. That is unacceptable. Getting a little bit back, or getting a little bonus for attacking is trivial and quite frankly insulting.

The only way to try and save this game is to give a shield for destroying the town hall.

That will satisfy 95% of all the current problems with farmers, trophy pushers, casual players and hardcore war players. Argue if you will, but it is the only logical solution. Before the changes, 90% of the bases had their town hall inside anyway and if it was outside you still had the option to attack the base and steal the loot.

It seems that the only ones dissatisfied before were the game dev's, and they don't count as they obviously don't play their own game.

Agree 100%... unfortunately the dev team has always thought that the only way to progress the game was to add more things to it, never take anything away, hence it just gets needlessly more complicated every update. Can't see them changing that, unfortunately. Nice to dream though...

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Originally Posted by IndyPhil

With the current changes even with collector boosts its extremely hard for th11 to make profit on elix and de. I'm a fully max th10 inc walls and heroes via farming who upgraded to th11 and I actually agree with the patch of doom changes for the health of the game. The new system forces me to use strong expensive armies that honestly are very difficult to make a profit on elix and de. I'm in champ 1 so it's not like I'm trying to farm in low bonus leagues. Gold gains are fine but army costs are just nuts. I feel there needs to be a troop wide reduction in cost. Please give us help with elix and de gains.

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1.) You are too high. Go back to champion 3.

2.) The update does not have anything to do with your loot problem. It is going to a new th level without offensive upgrades yet.

3.) What army are you using that costs more than 200K? Just use GiBarch against lower th10s. League bonus in champion should easily pay your army, everything else is a bonus.

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Originally Posted by GoatRex

Game is really not that complicated and adding a few simple loot features doesn't change that.

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Agreed. It's not a difficult thing to understand.

Cool finally something is being done, can't wait to see how it plays out!

This game isn't remotely complex to me. However I can see it being an issue.

I can see it being an issue because for what the game is, it is more complex than some similar games of this type. Which can be a bad thing for certain audiences that don't enjoy that much depth.

Thats the danger of game design. Trying to appease the masses, and when you add more you just end up overwhelming people. There ARE ways to combat this by adding a little at a time.

However, the changes such as a treasury, loot cart, and a 5 star bonus isn't what I'd call complex because it's hardly a new game mechanic.

Not doing a full post.




But I am finding loads of loot in Champs I. Warden has been happily drink all my purple stuff.

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Originally Posted by Vman2612

Surely not making as much progress as before is an issue?

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An issue? Maybe an inconvenience. I liked the game more pre update than I do post, but seems like SC has made it clear it's not reverting. So basically just rolling with the punches. I feel pretty good with the progress I've made for how expensive th10 upgrades are. And my clan(real life friends and family) are in good spirits, so it's game on as usual. Though just cause I'm happy, doesn't mean it's working for everyone. Who knows, maybe these tweaks will help. We'll just have to wait and see.

something will still need to be done about 1.5 hour armies and the social aspect of the game. When making armies that take that long folks log off and we lose all social aspects in clan. This needs some sort of attention.

I assume that when this tweak comes out they will remove the 1 gem boost and dead bases again. The dead bases while easy still allow us to use cheaper faster armies. This needs to stay around is some fashion. While dead bases should maybe not be the bread and butter of resource acquisition, there has to be something where you can still attack and gain loot and move forward, especially elixir.

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Originally Posted by WarHammerRocks

Before the changes, 90% of the bases had their town hall inside anyway and if it was outside you still had the option to attack the base and steal the loot.

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That's not even close to being truthful.

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Originally Posted by ColtHawk

Really...Nintendo, Sega, Playstation? They quit developing the games for those systems and forced people to purchase new gaming systems in order to buy the new content offered. They never changed the mechanics or core concepts of the games played on those consoles. Games can survive without changes over time. There are plenty of older generation console/computer/board games on the market that have the same core concepts/mechanics since they came onto the market years/decades ago. Those games still have a demand and are produced.

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And I am mad that I spent all of that money and then they stopped developing for it. I want a refund adjusted for inflation.
Games can survive without changes over time? What world do you live in? Prior to online gaming, games had a very short shelf life. I played Mario, I beat Mario, then I only came back for nostalgia. Developers have to continue to work on games as long as they want it to survive. If SC had stopped with TH8 then this game and forum would be gone.

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Originally Posted by OnyxDS

And then this... please explain how having more people searching for the targets means that you (as a hypothetical Legend league player) would have more things to attack?
If you double the number of people in Legends league, then there will, on average, be twice as many of them going on defence each hour. But there's also twice as many people sitting in clouds waiting for something to happen. Result: twice as many targets divided amongst twice as many people exactly the same number of targets per hour for each player. Exactly the same time clouding. Double the size of a pie and double the number of slices and each slice is the same size. It's not rocket science.

The only thing that affects clouds is the average amount of time each player spends searching per defence that they suffer. It went from 6 hours per defence (the old PBT) to 6 hours (4 hours + 2 hours extension) plus several hours searching under shield before the PBT starts counting. I've no idea what the average is, but it could well be 10 hours or so now. The obvious result: less targets, longer clouds.

What's scary is that from the little SC have said, and the mere fact they introduced a feature that would so obviously make the clouds much worse, it seems like they maybe don't understand it.

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Are there clouds in Bronze-Master? No. Why? Because there are a lot of people there. What happens when you start to hit 3400 cups? You start seeing the same 50-60 bases while searching. That means there were only that many bases not online or under a shield. The higher you get the less people and thus more clouds. It's not rocket science.

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Originally Posted by deadpool190

The simplicity and variety is what made Clash of Clans the sensation of mobile gaming. The popularity of the game occurred, even though it had been played incorrectly, by a great many of the SuperCell customers.

Rather than embrace the simplicity which afforded variety, they're pushing complexity and a singular preferred meta.

I just don't get it. And, because the game was a hit while being played in a manner unanticipated, I don't think SuperCell gets it, either.

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This post needs to be stickied for the devs /management to read. Well said deadpool 👍

These changes don't address anything... don't know why people are excited. It's a bunch of shiny looking new stuff that doesn't actually do anything.

It's pretty easy SC:
Add a defensive bonus
Increase win bonus by 50%
Allow dead bases to be put in the normal rotation of nexting

Done. Is it shiny and new? Nope, but it fixes your actual problems.

How much star bonus can we expect? Is it just a set amount once we hit 5 stars? Is there more bonus for getting more days throughout the day?

I hope it's not a measly 10-15K bonus, it should be $50K minimum.

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Originally Posted by TheJudgedClan

That's not even close to being truthful.

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I will admit that I have th sniped less than 5 times during my 2 years in clash. I have however raided a great deal and anytime raiding above gold 1 there were very few bases with the th out.

I congratulate scell for being super as it stands in their name. They are bringing a new system to fix the actual one and this will go like this forever since people never stop whining as its the human nature. They will bring the new system and we will see new posts from the haters asking for a change then it will end to have another system which ridicolously will increase the complexity of the game but change very little think at the end . Anyway im thanking to scell since they are at least listening the crowd and trying to do something to please people which is the hardest thing imo.

More loot? yay! But I'm already rolling in too much loot...

I am sad to see them give in under the constant pressure of complainers.

The game already got easier now that u dont need to search hours for loot anymore. And we are getting lootcarts on top of it?

I like the extra loot, but I feel it is unneccessary. but maybe thats just me.

(ducks and runs for cover lol)

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Originally Posted by WarHammerRocks

Finding loot isn't a problem, if you aren't finding loot, you aren't raiding. The ultimate problem is keeping the loot that you raided. Understanding that this is a game of gains and losses is essential. You will lose loot. However, losing 2 hours of raiding time every day in terms of loot losses is not OK. It has been taking an average of 3 attacks on my base every night to get a shield. One attack kills my hero's, one attack my clan castle troops and the third takes all of my loot. Typically 400 - 800k gold and elixir and 2700 de, a day. That is unacceptable. Getting a little bit back, or getting a little bonus for attacking is trivial and quite frankly insulting.

The only way to try and save this game is to give a shield for destroying the town hall.

That will satisfy 95% of all the current problems with farmers, trophy pushers, casual players and hardcore war players. Argue if you will, but it is the only logical solution. Before the changes, 90% of the bases had their town hall inside anyway and if it was outside you still had the option to attack the base and steal the loot.

It seems that the only ones dissatisfied before were the game dev's, and they don't count as they obviously don't play their own game.

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^this right here.

the removal of cheap shields is the best change ever, hog nerf a close second.

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Originally Posted by X11blaasbak

I am sad to see them give in under the constant pressure of complainers.

The game already got easier now that u dont need to search hours for loot anymore. And we are getting lootcarts on top of it?

I like the extra loot, but I feel it is unneccessary. but maybe thats just me.

(ducks and runs for cover lol)

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Who doesn't like more free loot? Are you saying you click next immediately when you see an inactive base with 400k/400k in queue? lol

What good is a defensive bonus when everyone uses gowipe to farm now which 99% of the time is good for at least 1 or 2 stars?

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Originally Posted by WarHammerRocks

I will admit that I have th sniped less than 5 times during my 2 years in clash. I have however raided a great deal and anytime raiding above gold 1 there were very few bases with the th out.

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That's because as you go higher the loot bonus makes it worthwhile to tag those bases whenever you see them. You saw very few exposed TH because they were all behind shields within 30 seconds of logging off.

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Originally Posted by IndyPhil

With the current changes even with collector boosts its extremely hard for th11 to make profit on elix and de. I'm a fully max th10 inc walls and heroes via farming who upgraded to th11 and I actually agree with the patch of doom changes for the health of the game. The new system forces me to use strong expensive armies that honestly are very difficult to make a profit on elix and de. I'm in champ 1 so it's not like I'm trying to farm in low bonus leagues. Gold gains are fine but army costs are just nuts. I feel there needs to be a troop wide reduction in cost. Please give us help with elix and de gains.

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Couldn't agree more. Troop costs need to come down or, alternatively, the league bonus for elixir and dark elixir need to go up. Or, better still, a "troop cost refund" that can be raised via a clan perk.

All of those would both encourage attacking and help solve the elixir/dark elixir drought.

CP https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FmSf-lMEQpk Gal https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fSbvjk565ds

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Originally Posted by andrgin

Yeah and roll back the whole th11 content as well, because farming at th11 is completely impossible with the old system if every league above crystal 3 is dry as hell because everyone is cheap shielded.

Yes Supercell messed up a lot by continuing th sniping for 3 years and it was really time to fix that. The same applies to barching inactive bases. We dont have a loot problem in the game. We have a skill problem that even high th10 player often cant attack a base at all because all they have ever done was barch. And we have an activity problem that most players dont attack at all and only live from their collectors. They did a lot in the last update to correct these problems.

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Yanno, I'm part of the "skill problem."

I also gem.

And I'm still playing post-Update.

I would love to disagree with your points, but I don't. I kind of disagree with the way you present your ideas, but it's your internet too. Do your thing. Where would forums be without the heady whiff of ...whatever that is. Anyhow, yes, there is a lack of skilled players on the Game. They used to be Champs & above, and one could spot them easily.

One thing I do disagree with you on is that there was/is an inherent "problem" to be "addressed" by having less skilled players able to have an enjoyable gaming experience. I am opposed to this notion. The Game already rewards the more skilled with League. Now that everyone and their dog is milking with gobs in silver, league is even MORE meaningless. To see a player's skill level now, you have to see their highest cups. And Legends? Staring at clouds for literally HOURS? You have to be kidding me. Those poor people. The most skilled among us... rewarded thusly.

Yes, the Game now actually DOES encourage skill gain in both offense and defense. I am still playing because I believe, deep down, that getting the TH's in is the right thing to do in order to extend the lifespan of this Game.

Phone screens are not getting THAT much bigger. TH11 required the addition of new space on the grid as it is. SC -had- to slow the grind, or else the Game would have no ability to grow and live.

I have played a Game through its lifespan once. I want my time on Clash to be as rewarding, and as lengthy as possible. I want the time to GAIN the skill.

I am sick of people on the forums acting like I should already have it. SC just gave me the gift of time to develop, and gave itself the same. So, I won't always be part of the "skill problem", but I hope there are people who ARE... for years to come. I hope people get to enjoy Clash. It still is a Great Game. It is great, because it is HARD. So just let people be bad at it in peace. It's hard, you're good, we get it. Now I'm gonna go try for 60% on something.

As a TH10 I have so much DE that I have to keep donating golems

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Originally Posted by Klavious

Lack of DE!?!?!?!?!

You are playing a different game than I am. DE has never flowed so freely in my 13 months of clashing.

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move up to a higher league if you have a high TH base. I lot more loot a lot bigger bonus

Cheers
LB


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I am trying really hard to stay positive and while I do appreciate that something is being brought to the table, this seems entirely too complicated. I know I don't know how it works at this point but good grief.. Loot carts treasury star bonuses.. This "very small %" you speak of could mean entirely different things to anyone.. Why not just make it a safe place for keeping a portion of your loot? Also figuring out how to get your loot into said treasury sounds convoluted.. Why is it war loot goes in there and some % of losses sustained? What about a % of our raid loot? I am starting to confuse myself.. This loot cart, is it going to be yet another structure to try and defend? I think we all have enough to defend now and I am not interested in something else to spread my defenses thinner. Kudos on trying to do something though.. Just don't understand why it has to come to all this.

Well I did Congratulate them on making an Awesome game by writing a good review and five stars on playstore. I would wait now, till things get any semblance of order. I like a few changes for sure but changing the meta of the game has made me cautious to instant back slapping and instant criticism. Let's see how the dice rolls.

Anyone else notice how this game is turning into boom beach? So they decided to bring the "vault" to clash. What is next the shock canon?

I still think the last update was a mistake and changed the game away from what most people liked in the game.

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Originally Posted by WarHammerRocks

Finding loot isn't a problem, if you aren't finding loot, you aren't raiding. The ultimate problem is keeping the loot that you raided. Understanding that this is a game of gains and losses is essential. You will lose loot. However, losing 2 hours of raiding time every day in terms of loot losses is not OK. It has been taking an average of 3 attacks on my base every night to get a shield. One attack kills my hero's, one attack my clan castle troops and the third takes all of my loot. Typically 400 - 800k gold and elixir and 2700 de, a day. That is unacceptable. Getting a little bit back, or getting a little bonus for attacking is trivial and quite frankly insulting.

The only way to try and save this game is to give a shield for destroying the town hall.

That will satisfy 95% of all the current problems with farmers, trophy pushers, casual players and hardcore war players. Argue if you will, but it is the only logical solution. Before the changes, 90% of the bases had their town hall inside anyway and if it was outside you still had the option to attack the base and steal the loot.

It seems that the only ones dissatisfied before were the game dev's, and they don't count as they obviously don't play their own game.

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You are absolutely right. Finding loot is not the problem, keeping it is. This is exactly what I have been saying since he update. The changes introduced last time such as turning the TH into a loot store and incremental loot bonus means attackers are raiding with much more powerful armies. Supercell don't have the guts admit that they got it wrong. Instead of fixing their mistake by reversing the relevant changes, they have opted to put a band aid on the game.

5 star system
You shall raid 5 times, and cook an army capable of getting at least 30% to get a star. Every day.

Loot crate
You must lose much loot to get crate.

Treasury
I thought all loot was precious.

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Originally Posted by TheBoxHawks

I gave the last update a chance. ...no more chances....

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Shallow. Instead of trying a hopeful solution, you give up. Yet, you're still on the forums...

I'll pass on this one. Thank you.

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Originally Posted by james14

That's because as you go higher the loot bonus makes it worthwhile to tag those bases whenever you see them. You saw very few exposed TH because they were all behind shields within 30 seconds of logging off.

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I've been in Titans for months, and pre-update it got to the point where over 90% of my "attacks" were a TH snipe, which was just ridiculous (and yes my own TH was out, which was also ridiculous). So yes, that part is now "fixed" and we can have fun using "proper" attacks more (still loads of clouds, though).

But yeah, the problem now is that everyone, in every league, is now getting smashed on defense, twice a day, so saving up loot is now way too hard, especially DE in my experience (TH9 most of all I'd say). Will the latest additions help us out? Who knows, but I suspect it will be a token effort, and needlessly complex.

Just add more DE to the league bonuses, and increase the output of all collectors. That will balance is better, and more simply, for pretty much everyone. It won't fix the problem of what happens when you don't log on for a couple of days, but at least increased collector production means you won't come back to a completely empty base...

Oh, and let titans see bases all the way down to champs (of similar strength), or something like that... no-one should have to endure endless clouds, it kills the fun. And make the Eagle more powerful, it's pathetic. Then you've got a decent update...

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Originally Posted by joelmor3

Shallow. Instead of trying a hopeful solution, you give up. Yet, you're still on the forums...

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The forum is just as much fun, if not more than the game. Anyway we shall judge the update when it arrives.

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Originally Posted by BazJoe

I am trying really hard to stay positive and while I do appreciate that something is being brought to the table, this seems entirely too complicated. I know I don't know how it works at this point but good grief.. Loot carts treasury star bonuses.. This "very small %" you speak of could mean entirely different things to anyone.. Why not just make it a safe place for keeping a portion of your loot? Also figuring out how to get your loot into said treasury sounds convoluted.. Why is it war loot goes in there and some % of losses sustained? What about a % of our raid loot? I am starting to confuse myself.. This loot cart, is it going to be yet another structure to try and defend? I think we all have enough to defend now and I am not interested in something else to spread my defenses thinner. Kudos on trying to do something though.. Just don't understand why it has to come to all this.

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I still don't see anything added to replace TH snipe loot. I see some "band aids" to help people from bleeding out resources on defenses.

I'll reserve final judgement when I see how much the loot bonuses are. What percentage of loot we can get back.

A lot of this sounds good, but we know SC has a rather vague definition of "substantial" so I'm not getting my hopes up

I hope the cart isn't raidable and able to hold a minimum of 30% of loot lost in raids 50%+ would be ideal tho it fixes the loot keeping and loot getting in one shot

A first glance I thought hey, there doing something, but then I got thinking about it.Did anyone in the community ask for some crazy scheme where you can get stolen loot refunded, via a cart to transfer it to your cc?Did anyone ask for a bonus for doing 1 1/2 to 2 1/2 raids per day? Do you realize this structure is just going to encourage further inactivity and riding of shields. The bonus as described will cause people to log on do there two raids per day, dump loot into walls upgrades and ride shields. Every raid exceeding the 5 stars will just dilute our ur bonus.

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Originally Posted by WarHammerRocks

Finding loot isn't a problem, if you aren't finding loot, you aren't raiding. The ultimate problem is keeping the loot that you raided. Understanding that this is a game of gains and losses is essential. You will lose loot. However, losing 2 hours of raiding time every day in terms of loot losses is not OK. It has been taking an average of 3 attacks on my base every night to get a shield. One attack kills my hero's, one attack my clan castle troops and the third takes all of my loot. Typically 400 - 800k gold and elixir and 2700 de, a day. That is unacceptable. Getting a little bit back, or getting a little bonus for attacking is trivial and quite frankly insulting.

The only way to try and save this game is to give a shield for destroying the town hall.

That will satisfy 95% of all the current problems with farmers, trophy pushers, casual players and hardcore war players. Argue if you will, but it is the only logical solution. Before the changes, 90% of the bases had their town hall inside anyway and if it was outside you still had the option to attack the base and steal the loot.

It seems that the only ones dissatisfied before were the game dev's, and they don't count as they obviously don't play their own game.

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1000x this. Very well said.

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Originally Posted by SSSusin

How much star bonus can we expect? Is it just a set amount once we hit 5 stars? Is there more bonus for getting more days throughout the day?

I hope it's not a measly 10-15K bonus, it should be $50K minimum.

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Oh I'm sure it will be "substantial"

How can you get the daily bonus with just 1 1/2 raids?
it would take me 5 snipes to get there

Dear SC, here is some much needed positive feedback, amongst all the ♥♥♥♥ you've been having to deal with:

I loved the update! None of it is too complicated. Good job. Keep it up!

Although I agree that some adjustments needed to be made after the big update, I don't agree, at all, with the hundreds of cry-babies whining their butts off, flaming on the forums, facebook, youtube, twitter, yadda yadda.

First off, I'm calling ♥♥ on all the whiners that take the time to visit the forums, and rant, saying that "I will now quit, are you happy SC? Are you happy??!!" and such. For two reasons:

1) It's a great game, and despite the period of silence we had to endure (which they have acknowledged and apologised for), the staff has always proven to be extremely competent and dedicated to improving the game, with no exception.

2) I once heard from a doctor friend of mine that in the ER, when the patients come in bad shape, the ones that are silent are usually the ones that need to be tended to first. The screaming ones can wait. If they're well enough to scream, they aren't dying yet. I know, drastic (joke all you want, it's true). But seems to fit this scenario pretty well. If you care enough to stick around and complain all the time, everywhere, over and over, till my eyes bleed from seeing all the ♥♥ comments, then you're probably not quitting just yet.

I've also been seeing a lot of people blabbing on about "SC only cares about the money", "the game is now P2W" etc. This is also a load of bull. Nowhere do I see any indication that the changes brought by this update force people to buy more gems, gem everything, keep permanent boosts or whatever. Sure, there needed to be some adjustments, but they are clearly coming.

As for the hypocrits who flame on about SC's greed and then post business advice saying that "if you wanna profit, you need to do exactly what your customers want!!", I would argue that you simply do not even know what you want. Why?

Well, I don't think anyone here actually enjoyed sniping town halls. They enjoyed the benefits that came from sniping/being sniped. If SC is bold enough to try to find a way to guarantee those benefits (granted they may come in different ways) while having you reap them during enjoyable gameplay (farming with an actual army vs. popping one archer in the corner of the map twenty times a day).

The changes they've announced sound great! I know there are still some issues to work out, but I've no doubt that they will be fixed shortly. Hold on to your panties, people.

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Before the changes, 90% of the bases had their town hall inside anyway

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lol wrong

10char

Let's keep making this game more complicated until it takes 45 minutes just to collect your loot. Simple is what we want, not convoluted.

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Besides these new features, the update will also include a few bug fixes and battle balancing tweaks.
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It's interesting/concerning that Chief Pat mentions in his video that this quote may possibly have something to do with war. I am worried that they will "fix" war now as well.

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it's like saying giving a welfare check to poor families encourages them to stay unemployed.

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Probably a bad example... it's called underemployment. People can literally collect more on unemployment than they can with a job - so they stay unemployed.

This isn't really the same though because this bonus doesn't get taken away if you earn too much (attack more often)... so yeah your ROI % might go down but your net gains still go up for attacking more.

While I am excited to see this new update, I still think the loot bonus based on percent destroyed needs to go. Makes no sense that you can 1 star a base and get full bonus, but 2 star and NOT get full bonus. The game is based on stars aquired, loot bonus should also be.

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Let's keep making this game more complicated until it takes 45 minutes just to collect your loot. Simple is what we want, not convoluted.

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It's clear that they are NOT listening to the player base. Too bad because the game was great.

that's nice to hear :) quick is my wind staff at full power yet? no? dam it collect more wind crystals

Wow.. more complicated/convoluted systems to confuse new players. Seriously, why over-think it?? Just 'significantly' increase league bonus and all your problems are solved! More loot given in a way that encourages players to actually push! How obvious is that? Gonna reduce clouds as well.

Like, seriously? Quite possibly the last game on earth getting a daily reward. This should have been implemented forever ago. Can't you guys just expand the achievement list and add extra campaign maps? Seriously, how hard is it? New maps, New achievements, more than one daily bonus. Geez..

I wont watch him, no sir.

No after what he a some Youtuber's did in Finland recently.

Anyways, this could be helpful for ther people. Thanks for sharing it OP! Cheers ~

The thread was merged. :(

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Dear SC, here is some much needed positive feedback, amongst all the ♥♥♥♥ you've been having to deal with:

I loved the update! None of it is too complicated. Good job. Keep it up!

Although I agree that some adjustments needed to be made after the big update, I don't agree, at all, with the hundreds (THOUSANDS IF NOT MILLIONS) of cry-babies whining their butts off, flaming on the forums, facebook, youtube, twitter, yadda yadda.

First off, I'm calling ♥♥ on all the whiners that take the time to visit the forums, and rant, saying that "I will now quit, are you happy SC? Are you happy??!!" and such. For two reasons: (BELIEVE IT OR NOT BUT PEOPLE ARE QUITTING IN DROVES!)

1) It WAS A great game, and despite the period of silence we had to endure (which they have acknowledged and apologised for), the staff has always proven to be extremely competent and dedicated to improving the game, with no exception.

2) I once heard from a doctor friend of mine that in the ER, when the patients come in bad shape, the ones that are silent are usually the ones that need to be tended to first. The screaming ones can wait. If they're well enough to scream, they aren't dying yet. I know, drastic (joke all you want, it's true). But seems to fit this scenario pretty well. If you care enough to stick around and complain all the time, everywhere, over and over, till my eyes bleed from seeing all the ♥♥ comments, then you're probably not quitting just yet.

I've also been seeing a lot of people blabbing on about "SC only cares about the money", "the game is now P2W" etc. This is also a load of bull. Nowhere do I see any indication that the changes brought by this update force people to buy more gems, gem everything, keep permanent boosts or whatever. Sure, there needed to be some adjustments, but they are clearly coming. (BY KEEPING PROGRESSION SLOWER ENCOURAGES MORE GEMS BECAUSE A BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR ISN'T ENOUGH)

As for the hypocrits (SP. HYPOCRITES) who flame on about SC's greed and then post business advice saying that "if you wanna profit, you need to do exactly what your customers want!!", I would argue that you simply do not even know what you want. Why?

Well, I don't think anyone here actually enjoyed sniping town halls. They enjoyed the benefits that came from sniping/being sniped. If SC is bold enough to try to find a way to guarantee those benefits (granted they may come in different ways) while having you reap them during enjoyable gameplay (farming with an actual army vs. popping one archer in the corner of the map twenty times a day).

The changes they've announced sound great! I know there are still some issues to work out, but I've no doubt that they will be fixed shortly.(RIIIIIIIGHT BECAUSE THEIR TRACK RECORD IS SPOTLESS! AHHAHA) Hold on to your panties, people.

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There, helped you with a few minor points.

3 star and a 2 star or 2 3 stars. So I should of said 1 2/3 raids. If the loot business is suffcient people will destroy two loot less noobs for the stars. Then instead of hearing me complain, forums will be full of lvl levels in bronze/silver nothing that th10s steamrolled them with Barch.

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Probably a bad example... it's called underemployment. People can literally collect more on unemployment than they can with a job - so they stay unemployed.

This isn't really the same though because this bonus doesn't get taken away if you earn too much (attack more often)... so yeah your ROI % might go down but your net gains still go up for attacking more.

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I think the point I was trying to make is, if a person likes his profession, then he's going to show up to work and put effort in it no matter if he gets a bonus for showing up everyday or not, in the same way a player who likes to play the game will play the game no matter if he gets a daily bonus or not. I wasn't talking about economical well-being, I was trying to explain you can't dissuade someone doing what they like by giving him more incentives.

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No.. no.. and no. Your experience, OP, is only what you're going through. That does not mean everyone is going through that problem. For me as a TH11, I find raids with 3k-6k DE available to raid from along with 300k-500k lootable elixir per raid.

I'm farming in Crystal/Masters by the way using Giants, Wizards, and other troops and all 5 of my builders are busy building at the moment.

You want proof? Look me up in my clan, Viking Conquest, lvl 7 clan.

The point is, loot is fine the way it is as a storage raider and due to the vast amount of complaints, SC will make everyone's experiences more enjoyable. If me and a bunch of others are having a good time now, we'll be progressing even faster when these new features are implemented.

You need to figure out your resource gathering/saving strategies - offensively and defensively.

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Your stats:

67 wins this season
34/35 royals
L10 gw
1.4k neat and tidy
547m gg
3m heroric heist
3430 max cups
3245 career wins
11457 friends in need
693 firefighter
15 de spells donated

Nothing wrong with progressing slowly, I wouldn't say your progress is great. 500m gg for a th10/11 is quite low. 3k wins is low as well. 3m HH for 34/35 royals is low too. 11k FIN is actually very low for your progress. You may want to donate more.

Too complicated, wrong way to go.

The PBT was a mess already, the new 30% of this and 30% of that are bad rules too.

Rule N°1 in programming: KEEP IT SIMPLE.

CoC is no longer simple, get everything back to the drawing board, you're heading the wrong way.

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Originally Posted by AgentO

Anyone else notice how this game is turning into boom beach? So they decided to bring the "vault" to clash. What is next the shock canon?

I still think the last update was a mistake and changed the game away from what most people liked in the game.

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I do not like boom beach.. If this game turns into that I'm gone

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There helped you with a few points.

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It honestly wasn't my intention to "namecall" when I mentioned hypocrisy, I'm sorry. But that really is beside the point... true, there are thousands complaining, but the arguments stand. And you may have been offended cause the shoe fit. If you no longer regard this game as "great", then why are you still here?

Not trying to pick a fight, I just wish everyone would chill and wait.

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Originally Posted by ThatAsianBradah

No.. no.. and no. Your experience, OP, is only what you're going through. That does not mean everyone is going through that problem. For me as a TH11, I find raids with 3k-6k DE available to raid from along with 300k-500k lootable elixir per raid.

I'm farming in Crystal/Masters by the way using Giants, Wizards, and other troops and all 5 of my builders are busy building at the moment.

You want proof? Look me up in my clan, Viking Conquest, lvl 7 clan.

The point is, loot is fine the way it is as a storage raider and due to the vast amount of complaints, SC will make everyone's experiences more enjoyable. If me and a bunch of others are having a good time now, we'll be progressing even faster when these new features are implemented.

You need to figure out your resource gathering/saving strategies - offensively and defensively.

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Your stats:

67 wins this season
34/35 royals
L10 gw
1.4k neat and tidy
547m gg
3m heroric heist
3430 max cups
3245 career wins
11457 friends in need
693 firefighter
15 de spells donated

Nothing wrong with progressing slowly, I wouldn't say your progress is great. 500m gg for a th10/11 is quite low. 3k wins is low as well. 3m HH for 34/35 royals is low too. 11k FIN is actually very low for your progress. You may want to donate more.

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To add to Johnny's assessment: It shows that he gemmed his way up but has been at pains since the update fiasco started to tell everyone how great this update is for loot. :facepalm::facepalm:

How about you just start with something a lot less complicated. you did promise this after all. And you know there is nothing "significant" in the changes you made to the loot bonus with your update. Just give what you promised.

Finally, it looks like the clash team is actually seriously working on a fix. Can't wait to see these changes in more depth.

I am really excited to see this update come out. Hopefully it will help me save loot for upgrades and stuff!

That's wonderful news! Thanks Supercell, for listening to your players and coming up with solutions!

The 5 star bonus ...... It will encourage players to be active everyday, so less dead bases. (I think)

I don't see how this is going to help "the loot problem". This isn't really injecting more "loot" in the game. Its only smoke and mirrors. Get real SuperSell, and fix the problems, not give a bandaid for a shotgun wound.

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A daily quest. Cute. Can I call it World of Clans now? Which doesn't solve the loot / resources problem at all because it will decrease offers uniformly, as well - making attacks less lucrative, as well as reducing losses. This kicks the can down the street. A loot lost refund that you get to hide more deeply? Why?I just don't get it. The resource model is a SNAFU right now due to the new systems, and rather than trying to tweak those so that they are properly balanced, we get more new systems to fix the stuff the previous new systems threw out of w♥♥♥♥.This is the hare-brained new stuff we get from you guys - no word on Heroes in War or fixing the War Balancing to account for down heroes. Oh - and then we get the daily quest - like it's an MMO. Yeah, tell your behaviorist to KMA.I've about 1300 gems left and then I think I'm putting the game down. I'll miss my Clanmates, but another quarter of them probably won't even make it as long as I will. It takes a special kind of stupid to take the lightning in a bottle that Clash of Clans was and smash it like this. But that seems to be the #1 rule of F2P - if it isn't broken, then you're not monetizing it enough.

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nonono, its not like that. Lets compare before and after.

before: attacker takes 300k gold from defender. In other words the 300k moved from a place to the other.
after: attacker takes 300k, those 300k are as stealable as in the before system, but now the defender gets for example 50k gold out of thin air that goes to the vault. Yes its better protected, but it doesnt means less loot in the game because that 50k wasnt even there. In both system(before and after) the 300k are equally lootable, but in the new system, a small percentage is generated out of thin air after each attack, resulting in a little more loot im the system.

so it looks like this: when you are searching for a base you will find: what you found before+a small percentage of what its generated each attack+ the extra loot that comes into the system due to the 5 star bonus. So there will be more loot on the system, and you will be benefitted by the system itself as you will lose less resources compared to before.

as for the war loot being more secure, it was already a 5% that was stealable, so it doesnt have much effect for this percentage to get reduced. Its also really beneficial if you are an active war player.

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I don't get this at all. The proposed changes should be new gameplay down the road. NOT to be used to fix the game they messed up. There has been thread after thread of great ideas to fix the loot issues. Easy, non complicated, recognizable fixes. I fear this will run off even more players by changing the game (even more?!) they have enjoyed for years. Who is running the show? SC keeps doing the exact opposite of any successful business.

I'm not saying these changes won't work or eventually be fun. The timing to introduce even more new gameplay is seriously ignorant. Keep it simple for now SC. Let the players calm down and enjoy the game again by doing simple fixes. Then feel free to introduce new gameplay.

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Its not as complex as it looks, its not somehting you got to give much mind actually.

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Originally Posted by Progenitor

I don't see how this is going to help "the loot problem". This isn't really injecting more "loot" in the game. Its only smoke and mirrors. Get real SuperSell, and fix the problems, not give a bandaid for a shotgun wound.

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5 star bonus=loot injection
attacker getting the same from attacks while defender loses less than before=loot injection(if you take 300k from me but thye system gives me a percentage of what inlost, that percentage is new resources)

Hm... Interesting SC! Nice attempt at a fix for the so called "loot problem"

Let's see if it works!

the word "we intend" scares the hell out of me.

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How about you just start with something a lot less complicated. you did promise this after all. And you know there is nothing "significant" in the changes you made to the loot bonus with your update. Just give what you promised.

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I don't understand what is so complicated. I don't find anything complicated about this whatsoever.

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I don't see how this is going to help "the loot problem". This isn't really injecting more "loot" in the game. Its only smoke and mirrors. Get real SuperSell, and fix the problems, not give a bandaid for a shotgun wound.

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A shotgun wound? More like a stubbed toe to adjust to a few more real defenses. Many update features are welcomed improvements. It directly adds loot back to those who are losing resources from defenses. Lots of feedback given requested something like this... "give us some of the loot back we lost for defending with our TH in the middle".

It adds new resources for people who are attacking a very modest amount, 5 stars should be piece of cake. That extra loot goes into the CC where small percent could be taken in a future defense.

I get that some people have had a hard time adjusting or the game doesnt work for you. If these updates cant overcome the problems for you then what would (besides bring back TH snipes)? Speaking from my experience, clanmates think things already better, friends clans and old clans liking the update and most of them are doing so in ignorant bliss of not reading forum posts.

I don't like the loot cart. It takes away defensive incentives and is not a defensive reward. Instead give us the league bonus for defending. The 5 Star daily bonus is going to have to be substantial if it is supposed to make up for the lowzy league bonuses and the ending of boosted collectors.

This honestly fixes little-to-nothing. If you want people to get stars and trophy push make the league bonus worth the effort!

Any extra loot is a good thing :)

I see tons of people slumming it in bronze and attacking TH5s over and over...

doesn't being perpetually negative get old?

Ever since the upgrade it takes us over a hour sometimes up to 2 to get a match in war and when we finally get a match are lower th10's get matched with maxed th10's or 11's......

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This.

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doesn't being perpetually negative get old?

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doesn't being perpetually negative get old?

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It gets old real quick the forums have been brutal the last few weeks

Me personally do not care about winning cups and I suppose all the players dropping them don't care because cups do not pay for upgrades loot pays for it so all we need is dead bases back such a simple fix so why bother making even more complicated and making it even less fun to play than it is now