Star Bonus, Treasury, Loot Cart and more!

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Originally Posted by Jackleman1

TH10

/snipped a little

AQ 22
BK 25
Infernos/xbow levels 2/3
Walls mostly about half 10 half 9

So for about a week now ive been trying to save to upgrade my first inferno to 3. Ive reached a point where I feel it is no longer possible to save any further as my lost loot is out weighing my gained loot. For the last 2 days I have been unable to pass 6.4 mil gold. I will get there and then get steam rolled by some maxed out TH11 and lose 450k of it bringing me back down to 6mil. Then I will attack again once or twice during my shield period and get it back around 6.4 and then lose my shield and get steam rolled again bringing me back to 6mil.

Sincerely,
James

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I'm sorta in the same boat:
AQ 32 --> 33
BBK 30
Inferno 2 (1 going to 3), X-bows 2 (1) and 3 (2)
Walls about 50:50 too.

I actually don't have much problems getting (and keeping) loot. I do have a 2-4 hours session a day, and currently waiting with full lix/gold tanks and 110k DE for a builder to finish (2 more days until AQ hits 33).

I actually have problems with the waiting times as you can see. However, I have to say I only raid dead bases in a low league, but I clear those with a profit of 2-4 mil and gold (each, not combined). It depends on the day though, it fluctuates.

If I get hit by a 'decent' attack (last night it took 8 hours to get hit for +30% with full lix/gold storages and filling pumps!!!), I lose 50% of my loot max. Often its in the range of 20-30%. I think the highest amount I lost was 300k each (75%), which was once in this trophy range since the update.

So it's not impossible, but it does require some dedication. With your playstyle, it would be possible too, but not in high trophy ranges. So I suggest you drop. There is no other proper way to farm these days IMO.

Edit: added IMO to last sentence.

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Originally Posted by lewisb01

TH9
AQ6
BK5

Me and a few of my friends have a clan, we play when we can (playing for about a year now). I'm a TH9 they are a TH8 and we don't seem to have any issues gathering loot. It does help we have the 1 gem boost right now.

Every time I get hit I get wiped for roughly 350K of each gold/elixir and loose about 2k in dark, which sucks but I get a 16hr shield and then I usually in that 16 hours can get 3 to 4 raids in (I'm adult with kids with a job and 30 minutes in 16 hours is not hard to do). With being in master league 1. I typically get the max bonus and obviously the loot I steal and I have plenty of loot to upgrade defenses.

With that said I'm not at TH10 or 11 so I can imagine the upgrades up there are quite pricey and could see the issues some are complaining about but down here in TH8 and 9 life is just fine since the update, because the shield goes down in increments my little clan is making more loot now than ever before.

I welcome the changes that SC is giving us.

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For a max 10 I have no problem with loot, I've adapted ;-) I'm now in Champs 3, I'm making 250 to 500k on each per attack plus a loot bonus of 160 - 200k, so loot is all good.

The problem is it takes me over 2 hours to train the troops to get that because all I see now are max 10's and 11's. So my problem is I can't play that often now.

I used to go after TH9's for easy loot and I can see why they wanted to change that, it's not much fun getting flattened by someone higher up than you.

The trouble is everyone did it and at least it worked.

Me pre-update: This sounds like a pile of ****. Oh well, I'm doing walls and occasional hero upgrade. I'll let the dust settle.

Me post-update: Wow, people are using GOWIPE to grab 150/150, when I'm attacked after 5 days... guess this update is affecting me after alll.

Hype hype hype!!!!

Update? What a load of bullcrap. This game is becoming plain boring. I've already dropped my mini, and now I'm logging in twice every two days, to do my war attacks. And certainly not gemming anything. Give me a reason to gem, SC!

They saw how many players quit so they decide to add loot bonus hahahha

excuse my bad english.

noticed there are many who complain about how things are going since we got this last huge update.
As a start we should know it's all about and only about $$$$$$.
Supercell asks us to respond what we would wish to change or how we think about a update so they can "fix" it.
But the trued is it's not about fixing but it's all about $$$$$
The more we respond in this forum the more supercells knowledge will grow how to get the most $$$$ from us that's quiet simple.

Main issues:
long upgrade time buildings/troops/heroes, heroes during upgrade not available for clanwar, long prep time troops and spells, hard to get and keep loot.

Should we think they would ever change it, NO
WHY? $$$$$$$

They only change tiny things, try to give us the feelin they improve the game for us.
But in fact they only improve $$$$$$
That's exactly what they do with every update, so it will be with this upcoming update.

How they think is:
Let's create an interresting game "for free", easy to play but with ridicilous waiting time so players get bored.
But......not that bored people will quit the game, no, only bored enough people will buy gems.

After those updates they ask us what do we think about it, but they don't realy need those responds to know how we feel about it.
They know it exactly if changings are well accepted based on the amount of gems bought.
And they made it that way buying gems is only a temporary help, not even a solution.

A solution would be if buying those gems would give you a lifetime reduction on the overall waiting time.
But hey....... then we wouldn't need those gems anymore and that's not why they invented the gem system.

smart guys those at supecell

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Originally Posted by johanbr

Hi
It sounds like a good idea!
5 stars bonuses,
Would be fun with more daily quests

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DAILY REQUEST???!!!!?? :facepalm:

This is will just make it like every other game where they over complicate the game and force you to get on every day to do this and do that. Before we know it we will have to start inviting Facebook friends to unlock now content and that's when I quit coc.

from a very simple easy game to play to the over complicated why to fix an issue that shouldn't of been an issue in the first place ( I'm glad th sniping has gone) but why change it when it was a great game.

awesome XDXDXD

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Originally Posted by LordBrady

My walls cost 3 million each and hero upgrades are 100k DE.

If your loot cart and treasury don't even come close to these numbers, I will consider it another EPIC FAIL for supercell.

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I predict you will find the loot cart and treasury to be an EPIC FAIL. Significant for SC in CoC has sometimes meant less than before.

long wait times

no resources

get pounded by gowipe and quad quake

empty clan chatter compared to pre th11 update

just dropped from masters 1 to crystal 3 to see how that goes

coc is just no longer the experience I looked forward to each night

less and less reasons to continue

SC you killed it

was well playable and fun, now well leaveable and a chore

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Originally Posted by lewisb01

TH9
AQ6
BK5

Me and a few of my friends have a clan, we play when we can (playing for about a year now). I'm a TH9 they are a TH8 and we don't seem to have any issues gathering loot. It does help we have the 1 gem boost right now.

Every time I get hit I get wiped for roughly 350K of each gold/elixir and loose about 2k in dark, which sucks but I get a 16hr shield and then I usually in that 16 hours can get 3 to 4 raids in (I'm adult with kids with a job and 30 minutes in 16 hours is not hard to do). With being in master league 1. I typically get the max bonus and obviously the loot I steal and I have plenty of loot to upgrade defenses.

With that said I'm not at TH10 or 11 so I can imagine the upgrades up there are quite pricey and could see the issues some are complaining about but down here in TH8 and 9 life is just fine since the update, because the shield goes down in increments my little clan is making more loot now than ever before.

I welcome the changes that SC is giving us.

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I think it is funny that Supercell (SC) say they are listening as the community has offered soooo many simple yet impactful changes SC could make yet SC instead pulls these crazy convoluted ideas out of their butt which will have very little positive impact on the real issues and take far more development time to implement.

how about a temporary roll back to the old system until these new features are implemented? As a TH8 I haven't progressed at all since update and am struggling to maintain an interest in this game. The 1 gem boosts are useless to me as those resources just go towards feeding TH9 that raid me constantly. I am fast falling out of love with clash and anything Supercell. I tried to adapt but it's too stressful and depressing now.

Why do they always reward for a poor base ? Here is the description for loot cart:

Last but not least, we’ll introduce the Loot Cart. After your village has been attacked, a percentage of the stolen resources will be added to a Loot Cart in your Village. Once you collect the resources from the Loot Cart, these will be transferred to your Treasury for safeguarding.

OK they are going to give a loot bonus for all resources stolen into the loot cart will say 5%, why not reward good defense by also adding 10% of all loot not taken into the loot cart providing at least 50% of the attacking army is deployed. This would reward those bases that have good defenses.

It's astonishing how you guys can continue to come up with the worst ideas for Clash of Clans. Thankfully I quit months ago, and can sit back and laugh at your blunders. Can't wait to see how much money you guys lost on CoC next year... :rolleyes:

So will we get more details today? Hope we do :)

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Originally Posted by TooProForYou

It's astonishing how you guys can continue to come up with the worst ideas for Clash of Clans. Thankfully I quit months ago, and can sit back and laugh at your blunders. Can't wait to see how much money you guys lost on CoC next year... :rolleyes:

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If you quit months ago stop trying the cause hassle on this forum and clash royale. Just do one

Lot can be won in attacks rather than these loot fixes..
I'd rather see a reduction in spell and troop build times than more patches over patch over patch.

Turning off my phone for 2 hours for builds is ridiculous.

When I have only a few hours each day I'd like to be able to do more than just one attack. What fun is it to attack for 3 minutes and then have to leave the game for a build to happen. Instead of loot carts make the reward build reduction bonuses.

I'd much rather be attacking more for loot than turning off my phone waiting for loot to build up.

I actually thinks it fixes a lot of problems with the game. Pre-update, my th was outside because I had a hard time keeping high amounts of ressources. After update it got of course worse, I could not keep more than 2.5 millions of ressources. I got 3* raided in a row. Even when I raided twice a day for 200k each, I started the week at 2.5 millions and ended it at 2.5 millions. I could not imagine how to get the 7 millions required for upgrades, except by buying gems or raiding 6 times a day, which either would not happen.

I calculated how the loot cart would help this situation. I estimated the returned loot to be 20%, the treasury max and % lootable to be the same as the CC (1.8 million for a lvl5 clan, 5%). Turns out, even if I got 3* raided each time, I would still be able to reach about 4 millions before hitting a wall, and that was in half the time before the inclusion of the loot cart.

So this seemingly simple trick has actually a massive impact on the game's economy. And I did not even include the star bonus because I have no idea what the amount would be.

So congrats SC, I actually think you've managed to solve the problem I had with TH11 update. I can't wait to see the real numbers though.

Nothing is worse than when you give us something and we get used to it. Then only to have its strength taken away.

I actually play the game and make tons of loot. Also easily fill my storages without it being taken away like these non players complain about.

Please don't mess things up for attackers to satisfy those that only collect storages.

Im alittle skeptical, since the update said "significant" loot bonus, and it turned out to be a turd.

Ive seen better ideas sifting through the thousands of user posts on how they would fix things, but this ismstep in right direction. I hope its good. Putting loot in clan castle is definately good for us since we lose small %, no doubt about it.

I dont want to next 50-100 times anymore for loot and then give up after not finding anything.

Albiet its been a while with the 1 gem boosts going on that saved the game

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Originally Posted by GingerAsp

If you quit months ago stop trying the cause hassle on this forum and clash royale. Just do one

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No thanx... I have just as much of a right to give an opinion about something as everyone else.

It seems we won't get anything today... Too bad.

Those ideas seem pretty good and might help casual gaming.

Don't really hope for big figures but we never know.

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Originally Posted by TooProForYou

No thanx... I have just as much of a right to give an opinion about something as everyone else.

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True, you just lose credibility in your whole point by saying you don't play anymore. But it's your life if you want to spend your day trolling the forums of a game you do not play (or lack thereof)

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Originally Posted by Devlinn

True, you just lose credibility in your whole point by saying you don't play anymore. But it's your life if you want to spend your day trolling the forums of a game you do not play (or lack thereof)

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The only people that are trolling is you... I gave an opinion, so deal with it and move on. Instead you want to comment on what I said, so obviously you do find my comments creditable. If you didn't, you wouldn't post at all.

I calculated how the loot cart would help this situation. I estimated the returned loot to be 20%, the treasury max and % lootable to be the same as the CC (1.8 million for a lvl5 clan, 5%). Turns out, even if I got 3* raided each time, I would still be able to reach about 4 millions before hitting a wall, and that was in half the time before the inclusion of the loot cart.

I see a flaw in your projections. Seeing as the Star bonus, War Loot and Loot cart is going into the Treasury what loot will go into the CC?

Try to WORK more and speak LESS!!! too much useless adverts/videos so please try to focus on a game what did you ruined!!!

.....because a REAL CLASHER can work to get the goal!!!!

Star Bonus need to be at least the formula below that base on trophy count . The higher your trophy , the more bonus you get. This will be an incentive for people to push and value trophy.

Gold = Trophy x 100
Elixers = Trophy x 100
DE = Trophy x 1

E.g. I'm in champ3 with 3200 trophy , as soon as I get my 5th star of the day. I will be reward bonus base on my current trophy for 320,000 320,000 3200 .

The value less than this is underwhelm and better not to do it.

You want to fix the loot problem, then fix the modding problem. The number of blatant modders has quadrupled since last update, because those that were ♥♥♥♥♥♥ about the update, now don't care if they get banned and will continue to use it until that happens. That's why no legit players can find loot. All the good bases are being taken by modders before the legit players even have a chance. Yet for some reason, the methods of reporting a possible modder is so hidden and extensive that most people don't even know that it can be done, and those that do aren't going to take the time to do it, because until it can be proven, the wars are already lost and over and you'll likely never war that clan ever again.

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Originally Posted by Bandah

I calculated how the loot cart would help this situation. I estimated the returned loot to be 20%, the treasury max and % lootable to be the same as the CC (1.8 million for a lvl5 clan, 5%). Turns out, even if I got 3* raided each time, I would still be able to reach about 4 millions before hitting a wall, and that was in half the time before the inclusion of the loot cart.

I see a flaw in your projections. Seeing as the Star bonus, War Loot and Loot cart is going into the Treasury what loot will go into the CC?

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I'm not certain I understand your comment. I assume you thought that I didn't calculate that the loot cart would go in the Treasury? I did caculate that the loot cart would go in the Treasury, so my numbers would be (as far as this is concerned) correct. You might have been confused as to why I compare the Treasury with the CC? That was because OP said that the Treasury will be housed in the CC.

Correct me if I didn't understand you correctly. If there's a flaw in my projections, I would like to correct them.

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Originally Posted by PDawg

Why do they always reward for a poor base ? Here is the description for loot cart:

Last but not least, we’ll introduce the Loot Cart. After your village has been attacked, a percentage of the stolen resources will be added to a Loot Cart in your Village. Once you collect the resources from the Loot Cart, these will be transferred to your Treasury for safeguarding.

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You are not being rewarded for a poor base.

You are just being prvented from losing quite as much as you would without this change.

You will still lose more with a poor base than with a good one, unless the percentage is greater than 100.

Yes, the more you lose, the more you get back in numerical amount, but you have still finished up overall losing more.

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Originally Posted by TGA

I'm not certain I understand your comment. I assume you thought that I didn't calculate that the loot cart would go in the Treasury? I did caculate that the loot cart would go in the Treasury, so my numbers would be (as far as this is concerned) correct. You might have been confused as to why I compare the Treasury with the CC? That was because OP said that the Treasury will be housed in the CC.

Correct me if I didn't understand you correctly. If there's a flaw in my projections, I would like to correct them.

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Did you get the 4 million ish figure from the CC and Treasury both having 1.8 mil capacity? If so, what loot is going into the CC as the bonus currently going into the CC is going to the treasury instead.

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Originally Posted by Rogalian

Been mulling over how this will all work, had some suggestions I've already ruled out (transfer from storages into treasury - nope, that nerfs attacking activity).

Genuinely exciting additions to the game to encourage attacks, league play and village progression.

I'd still like to see a CC sleep option. That'd really help out.

Also, I'd like to be able to boost everything and attack. I'd like to spend gems in one hit rather than be reminded I'm doing so every raid. My current army takes about an hour to cook with spells (balanced across elixir and dark barracks and factory). My heroes take an hour and a half to regenerate. If I cook my army, queue everything, hit boost and go for a raid I could get 5 solid wins in per boost - except I'm waiting on my heroes. Cap hero regeneration at an hour. I have zero desire to hit the heal button each time, and have had zero desire to boost everything and raid since my heroes have tipped over an hour to heal.

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This kind of plays into the problem the true casual players are having. As you said you are able to get 5 solid attacks in with boosted barracks and spell factory. You're still having to gem hero recovery. The true casual wants nothing more then to be able to get in 5 solid attacks, however they do not want to gem to get those attacks. Doesn't matter really what army they are using spells and heroes still take around an hour or more. Now from what I've been reading it seems people are using a heavier army these days and regardless of whether that is what they "need" or not the fact is people who are not able to invest hours per day into this game are getting in one maybe (and that's a big maybe) attack per day. Then they watch what they have gained be taken away from them throughout work and or wrangling the kids.. They log back in to find negative progress. While I am eager to see how this loot cart and treasury pans out I do think recovery times, training times, and brewing times need to be evaluated. If not that then the tier 1 troops should be looked at and made to pose more of a threat to these heavily fortified villages we see now. the barch army of the past would raid collectors snag the star from a th or maybe get the 50%. It was cheap and fast, perfect for the casual. With this update the casual has abandoned the barch army because for a time the dead bases were just not there, and while we are starting to see more it's still difficult to get your star from the 50% because the dead bases I've been seeing mostly have the th on the inside so no easy star there. I am talking about the players who don't spend hours playing so they may not have as much skill as some of us who think that task is easy. Remember not everyone is an "expert" so they try to adapt and "play as intended" they build a heavy army and you see what happens.. Most of their game experience is reloading their barracks, a 3 min attack, and watching their village be torn apart throughout the day. Rinse and repeat, there should be some options for them to enjoy the game as they did in the past. Perhaps shorter training time, perhaps more effective tier 1 troops, perhaps more single player options like seasonal maps or something of the sort. And I do like the CC sleep option idea. Just offering my opinion on this aspect of the update. While I understand some may disagree with one or all of my suggestions, remember they are just that merely suggestions.. I just don't want to lose any segment of our community.. That's what makes this game great.

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Originally Posted by Saleh47

So will we get more details today? Hope we do :)

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We're still working on the update, so probably not much news until early next week :) The concepts are pretty solid already, and now we're finalising numbers, testing everything and fixing bugs. There are still a few bugs left, even though we fixed some big ones last week, like the matchmaking bug that caused inactive villages to appear very rarely in matchmaking (it's fixed now).

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Originally Posted by Marika[Supercell]

We're still working on the update, so probably not much news until early next week :) The concepts are pretty solid already, and now we're finalising numbers, testing everything and fixing bugs. There are still a few bugs left, even though we fixed some big ones last week, like the matchmaking bug that caused inactive villages to appear very rarely in matchmaking (it's fixed now).

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so yer not hiding dead base and it's actually a bug?! hmm

anyway thanks for bringing dead base again

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Originally Posted by xMaught

so yer not hiding dead base and it's actually a bug?! hmm

anyway thanks for bringing dead base again

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Yeah, that's kind of a lot to swallow... It was a bug, not a decision that fell in line with all the other changes from the update... and I've got some land in Florida for sale too...

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Originally Posted by Marika[Supercell]

We're still working on the update, so probably not much news until early next week :) The concepts are pretty solid already, and now we're finalising numbers, testing everything and fixing bugs. There are still a few bugs left, even though we fixed some big ones last week, like the matchmaking bug that caused inactive villages to appear very rarely in matchmaking (it's fixed now).

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Just bring back our cool game....

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Originally Posted by Marika[Supercell]

We're still working on the update, so probably not much news until early next week :) The concepts are pretty solid already, and now we're finalising numbers, testing everything and fixing bugs. There are still a few bugs left, even though we fixed some big ones last week, like the matchmaking bug that caused inactive villages to appear very rarely in matchmaking (it's fixed now).

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Thanks for the update Marika! Much appreciated!!

Are you fixing the 30 second added to upgrade time every time you log in bug?

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Originally Posted by 55ffpw

Yeah, that's kind of a lot to swallow... It was a bug, not a decision that fell in line with all the other changes from the update... and I've got some land in Florida for sale too...

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I always said it was probably a bug.

Whatever some people here seem to think, they are not stupid, and it would have been very stupid indeed to deliberately exacerbate the negative effects of the change by doing that.

Report from the titan 3 division...

So before this update i was a maxed out TH10 with exception of walls, (arround half was 11)
I usualy logged in twice a day and made sessions between 1 and 2 hours searching for something that was worth raiding and i did snipe every TH i came across. (TH outside was a free 230k of booth gold and elixer)
This way I upgraded arround 2 walls to level 11 a day, so yeah decent result... BUT while i was searching i was allways watching youtube, anime, movie or reading a book (you have 1 to 2 mins of clouds average and thats when you search villages when players are active, if you searched on diffrent times when less active players, you can wait 10 mins or longer...) And i often wondered why do i play this game? Why not just watch youtube without coc? So why play? Well i have great clanmembers that was mainly the reason i kept playing coc...
I did do a serious cup run once. trying to get into Titan 1 and maybe an attempt for legend... Well you serously need to be a compleet no-lifer or have 5 brothers or friends that will help you get trough those 6 hours sessions twice a day... Even if you have the time, there is so much more in live than go beyond titan 3 in those days....


So COC after update...
For me the game became actualy fun again, suddenly the search time went down alot! And the villages worth raiding increased by alot, in addition heroes were not allways present, there were actualy wizzards in the clancastle instead of allways those dogs!... I suppose before the update i would only find a defending village of people that were either testing it or thinking they could actualy win cups by defending.... (keep dreaming this game doesnt favor defenders...) And with the village guard of 2 hours (titan 3 bonus, titan 2 gets 3 hours and titan 1 goes 4 hours) i could do 3-4 atacks before i can be atacked again... And i dont mind doing only 1 atack each 2 hours... I mean this is casual gaming in a titan 3 league! Just because of that villague guard that increases i think its actualy possible to go to titan 1 in a casual way, and maybe reach legend by just boosting barracks and spellfactory.... (if your maxed TH11 offcourse)

About me saving loot, not much problems, just made a base were the atacker has to go for either loot or TH, but will unlikely get booth even when he brings his level 20 warden... I pretty much lose all defs sometimes i win because the atacker went for loot and failed to get 50% but they usualy go for towhall, and fail to reach the storages that i want to protect.. (I admit i can only protect 6 storages, but since i can chose which 6 will most likely stay unharmed i never fail to upgrade the next thing when a builder is done :) )

The main downside i feel is that as an atacker i m a TH10 without warden and a TH11 with warden...
Since i pretty much kick my warden to the next level when he just finished the previous, that means i never have a warden at all.... (until he is 20...) And i can allready imagne the horror when those other two can go to 50.... Upgrading heroes has allways been an anoying issue except for the rich...
Anyway as TH11 atacker i still feel way to much as a TH10 unlesh i have the warden with me.... I m not saying he should be nerfed, i just find it a bit dissapointing that for such a huge update it's just that one guy that increases my atack and he is sleeping 24/7 till march... (which is probably when the next update comes that adds stuff...)

Anyway Titan 3 bonus went from 230k to 280k except that you need 70% destruction... So that means i bully the champ 1 and 2 division that have their heroes sleeping and wall 9... Yup thats the 70% destruction target (when you dont have a warden) So it would make more sense that the league your target is in should allso affect the bonus your getting not just the 70% destruction... Or when i find a TH9 thats just a easy 100% with half or no spells to use...

So my addition to the next update would be that the league your target is in affects bonus aswell rather than destruction % only...

Regards a Titan 3 farmer (I dont use this name in game i case you try finding me)

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Originally Posted by PDawg

Why do they always reward for a poor base ? Here is the description for loot cart:

Last but not least, we’ll introduce the Loot Cart. After your village has been attacked, a percentage of the stolen resources will be added to a Loot Cart in your Village. Once you collect the resources from the Loot Cart, these will be transferred to your Treasury for safeguarding.

OK they are going to give a loot bonus for all resources stolen into the loot cart will say 5%, why not reward good defense by also adding 10% of all loot not taken into the loot cart providing at least 50% of the attacking army is deployed. This would reward those bases that have good defenses.

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While you started off in a direction I thought was going to be overly negative you ended strong. I agree they should offer some kind of reward for a successful defense. I do think they need something to help out the less advanced players as well so I am glad you didn't just say screw the weak bases but you offered a compromise with 5% and 10%. While I don't know what type of percentages should be involved I do agree a successful defense should be rewarded with more than just cups. Give the defender something like a league bonus and the defeated base the loot cart.

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Originally Posted by alexheney

I always said it was probably a bug.

Whatever some people here seem to think, they are not stupid, and it would have been very stupid indeed to deliberately exacerbate the negative effects of the change by doing that.

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Is this a passive way of giving credit where credit is due?

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Originally Posted by Marika[Supercell]

We're still working on the update, so probably not much news until early next week :) The concepts are pretty solid already, and now we're finalising numbers, testing everything and fixing bugs. There are still a few bugs left, even though we fixed some big ones last week, like the matchmaking bug that caused inactive villages to appear very rarely in matchmaking (it's fixed now).

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Good to hear from you :thumbsup:

I'm also glad you now inform more the community. Thanks

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Originally Posted by alexheney

I always said it was probably a bug.

Whatever some people here seem to think, they are not stupid, and it would have been very stupid indeed to deliberately exacerbate the negative effects of the change by doing that.

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The lack of dead bases happened with the update, so you think it took them three weeks to notice and fix the 'bug'? No, the change was deliberate and the restoration of dead base availability is an attempt to fix the economy, along with all these other hokey additions.

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Originally Posted by Marika[Supercell]

We're still working on the update, so probably not much news until early next week :) The concepts are pretty solid already, and now we're finalising numbers, testing everything and fixing bugs. There are still a few bugs left, even though we fixed some big ones last week, like the matchmaking bug that caused inactive villages to appear very rarely in matchmaking (it's fixed now).

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I waited
10char

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Originally Posted by Rogalian

It's actually the reverse. Because of the huge mismatch between army cook and hero regeneration times, I don't boost at all. I wait on the army and spells, and then wait some more for heroes. Very rarely I'll boost a hero to get an extra raid in (if I've not had to use all my troops and spells) - so the 5 gem for 1 hour was a welcome change. But it's substantially less than I'd be using if the times matched up - 5 gems now and then vs 50 per boost session.

Pre-update for 10 gems and 2 hour boosts I didn't boost anything whatsoever once my heroes got into their teens due to this.

Happy to wait, happy to spend gems, just don't nag me every single raid to spend more. A fixed cost for an hour would be welcome.

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Hero regeneration, troop training times and spell factory boost ALL need changed! They are horrible!!!!!! The spell factory should produce at least at 8x during boost as there are only 1 factory for each type of spells and multiple barracks. The boosting is completely off sync which makes it a waste of gems to boost. Supercell is a business and they want money so I'm sure they will never make it to where you don't feel the urge to buy gems, but given the publicity of this game, they could make it easier on the casual player (and those who don't have thousands of dollars to spend on gems) by making things a little more cost effective.

• Provide more gems from village vegetation
• Decrease Hero regeneration
• Reduce troop training times
• Increase spell training during boost or reduce standard training times
• Give gem bonus for war wins through every league level

Just make the game fun again and not so tedious. It feels more like work at times than a fun game.

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Report from the titan 3 division...

So before this update i was a maxed out TH10 with exception of walls, (arround half was 11)
I usualy logged in twice a day and made sessions between 1 and 2 hours searching for something that was worth raiding and i did snipe every TH i came across. (TH outside was a free 230k of booth gold and elixer)
This way I upgraded arround 2 walls to level 11 a day, so yeah decent result... BUT while i was searching i was allways watching youtube, anime, movie or reading a book (you have 1 to 2 mins of clouds average and thats when you search villages when players are active, if you searched on diffrent times when less active players, you can wait 10 mins or longer...) And i often wondered why do i play this game? Why not just watch youtube without coc? So why play? Well i have great clanmembers that was mainly the reason i kept playing coc...
I did do a serious cup run once. trying to get into Titan 1 and maybe an attempt for legend... Well you serously need to be a compleet no-lifer or have 5 brothers or friends that will help you get trough those 6 hours sessions twice a day... Even if you have the time, there is so much more in live than go beyond titan 3 in those days....


So COC after update...
For me the game became actualy fun again, suddenly the search time went down alot! And the villages worth raiding increased by alot, in addition heroes were not allways present, there were actualy wizzards in the clancastle instead of allways those dogs!... I suppose before the update i would only find a defending village of people that were either testing it or thinking they could actualy win cups by defending.... (keep dreaming this game doesnt favor defenders...) And with the village guard of 2 hours (titan 3 bonus, titan 2 gets 3 hours and titan 1 goes 4 hours) i could do 3-4 atacks before i can be atacked again... And i dont mind doing only 1 atack each 2 hours... I mean this is casual gaming in a titan 3 league! Just because of that villague guard that increases i think its actualy possible to go to titan 1 in a casual way, and maybe reach legend by just boosting barracks and spellfactory.... (if your maxed TH11 offcourse)

About me saving loot, not much problems, just made a base were the atacker has to go for either loot or TH, but will unlikely get booth even when he brings his level 20 warden... I pretty much lose all defs sometimes i win because the atacker went for loot and failed to get 50% but they usualy go for towhall, and fail to reach the storages that i want to protect.. (I admit i can only protect 6 storages, but since i can chose which 6 will most likely stay unharmed i never fail to upgrade the next thing when a builder is done :) )

The main downside i feel is that as an atacker i m a TH10 without warden and a TH11 with warden...
Since i pretty much kick my warden to the next level when he just finished the previous, that means i never have a warden at all.... (until he is 20...) And i can allready imagne the horror when those other two can go to 50.... Upgrading heroes has allways been an anoying issue except for the rich...
Anyway as TH11 atacker i still feel way to much as a TH10 unlesh i have the warden with me.... I m not saying he should be nerfed, i just find it a bit dissapointing that for such a huge update it's just that one guy that increases my atack and he is sleeping 24/7 till march... (which is probably when the next update comes that adds stuff...)

Anyway Titan 3 bonus went from 230k to 280k except that you need 70% destruction... So that means i bully the champ 1 and 2 division that have their heroes sleeping and wall 9... Yup thats the 70% destruction target (when you dont have a warden) So it would make more sense that the league your target is in should allso affect the bonus your getting not just the 70% destruction... Or when i find a TH9 thats just a easy 100% with half or no spells to use...

So my addition to the next update would be that the league your target is in affects bonus aswell rather than destruction % only...

Regards a Titan 3 farmer (I dont use this name in game i case you try finding me)

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I think your idea of casual and my idea of casual are entirely different. I'm glad you are having success with the new system, I do think your idea of league bonuses being dependent upon opponents league is an interesting idea. Would have to think about that a little more but sounds good at first glance.

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I always said it was probably a bug.

Whatever some people here seem to think, they are not stupid, and it would have been very stupid indeed to deliberately exacerbate the negative effects of the change by doing that.

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Companies make stupid decisions all the time. Companies are run by people, and it's been proven that people have been known to make bad decisions from time to time.

That sounds like Boom Beach.

And that gameplay is pretty poor too.

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I always said it was probably a bug.

Whatever some people here seem to think, they are not stupid, and it would have been very stupid indeed to deliberately exacerbate the negative effects of the change by doing that.

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Thank you for your trust and understanding! It was because of your reports that we were able to identify it, find it and fix it, so huge thanks to everyone who has reported this or any other bug or glitch!!!! It really helps a lot :) The update changed quite a bit how and when a village is taken into matchmaking (when does Village Guard start and end, what happens if shield or guard is dismissed and how everything works in different situations when people are logging in and out, if they get a shield or not). I've been in Clash team for 3,5 years, and I have to admit that this was the most complex feature we've ever developed (at least for me it was, luckily I'm not a programmer :cool:). Even Clan Wars was an easier concept, even though it started out super complex and needed to be re-designed many times before we got wars as we know them. Anyway, thanks again for your patience and understanding, I'm really sorry for the inconvenience!

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We're still working on the update, so probably not much news until early next week :) The concepts are pretty solid already, and now we're finalising numbers, testing everything and fixing bugs. There are still a few bugs left, even though we fixed some big ones last week, like the matchmaking bug that caused inactive villages to appear very rarely in matchmaking (it's fixed now).

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Thank Marika for keeping us updated :)
Another thanks for fixing the bug related to inactive bases :thumbsup:

Hope other issues get resloved as well. I'm happy now to see more activity from SC on forums from you & Anoushka. Your communication is always welcomed and beneficial especially when problems arise :)

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I think your idea of casual and my idea of casual are entirely different. I'm glad you are having success with the new system, I do think your idea of league bonuses being dependent upon opponents league is an interesting idea. Would have to think about that a little more but sounds good at first glance.

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Well what i was trying to say is, now a casual CoC player can actualy play in Titan 3. Since its now just 5-6 mins every 2 hours. Offcourse you still need to be a decent player in atacking and a maxed out village (or close to it)...
So when your in the bus or train you can do an atack, when your at the Coffee vending machine, when your boss is on the toilet... etc. When it's the commercial break on your tv... etc. Unlike how it was before....

How about the bug that is taking max or upper TH11s and not adding their weights properly in war. Seeing top bases that are 20k+ heavier than opponents VERY VERY often, from many clans. Seems to be a bug with higher weight TH11s. Thinking there is some cap in place that is not adding their additional war weight. Would love someone to look at this.

It's truly impossible for them to really test things with the multitude of phone types and operating systems and updates...Yada Yada.

Lots of of people are very mad, few are happy, and most like me were already seeing the signs of things tapering off anyway and none of the new content has fixed that.

The he best chance of an honest fix that will integrate smoothly would be to adjust numbers on code already in place and functional. I.E. Collector rate increase or league bonus increase. Not for everyone mind you. Most of the game is funded appropriately. The original game, I could be wrong here I think when I started TH 10 was new) that TH 9 was end game content. Two lvls of walls to complete and lots of grinding so that people would bog down and not reach the complete end. Now with the extra two TH lvls above that with even larger upgrades there's never been any adjustment to keep people moving until closer to the new end. TH 8 was a slow but fun TH, below that you basically fly through the levels.

Meh, they read our ideas sure. But they look at it all like Daddy saying us kids don't know what we really want or understand the ramifications of changing code on a global digital economy with your spam "double collector" stuff.

what clash needs is collectors TH 8&9 need a boost. This will move people thru the lower ranks like they should but still limit players when they get 2 TH away from end game content. Like the game was originally made. Course they would say they didn't intended that as well...

to to be honest I don't trust SC anymore, and none of this new overly complicated nonsense makes me feel like it's the fix we've been waiting for...and still waiting for. It will just be another nail in the coffin of confusion/self destruction path SC seems to be trying to push everyone down

people will do the easiest thing they can to lvl their bases. Most humans this is par for the course. Some of us like to challenge ourselves. Instead of nonsense a league loot bonus would be a veeery easy way to make people care about leagues

whatever I don't know why I bother...I suppose I just wish Clash was a happy environment again.

Good ideas

i cant judge it till i know exactly the percentage nd how much is 5star worth ?!

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Why do they always reward for a poor base ? Here is the description for loot cart:

Last but not least, we’ll introduce the Loot Cart. After your village has been attacked, a percentage of the stolen resources will be added to a Loot Cart in your Village. Once you collect the resources from the Loot Cart, these will be transferred to your Treasury for safeguarding.

OK they are going to give a loot bonus for all resources stolen into the loot cart will say 5%, why not reward good defense by also adding 10% of all loot not taken into the loot cart providing at least 50% of the attacking army is deployed. This would reward those bases that have good defenses.

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The answer is quiet simple, good bases would get too much easy loot so there will be less reason for buying gems

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Yeah, that's kind of a lot to swallow... It was a bug, not a decision that fell in line with all the other changes from the update... and I've got some land in Florida for sale too...

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Why not focus on the changes themselves rather that quibbling over the choice of words.

As with reading the TH11 updates, this will not be the fix to the Economy that we need. #DoBetter

Sooo, dunno if I missed it but is the swag wagon going to require a builder to collect?

I'm still confused. As a trophy pusher, will the 5 star thingy affect how many trophies I will earn? Or will they be reduced depending on mg destruction percentage and how many stars I've earned from attacking a base?

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We're still working on the update, so probably not much news until early next week :) The concepts are pretty solid already, and now we're finalising numbers, testing everything and fixing bugs. There are still a few bugs left, even though we fixed some big ones last week, like the matchmaking bug that caused inactive villages to appear very rarely in matchmaking (it's fixed now).

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Fixed now, as in the game we are all playing no longer has the bug? Or Fixed now, as in the version that is being developed/tested by SC no longer has the bug? Because I'm pretty much never coming across them in ranges where even post CoC 2.0 I normally would.

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Originally Posted by Marika[Supercell]

Thank you for your trust and understanding! It was because of your reports that we were able to identify it, find it and fix it, so huge thanks to everyone who has reported this or any other bug or glitch!!!! It really helps a lot :) The update changed quite a bit how and when a village is taken into matchmaking (when does Village Guard start and end, what happens if shield or guard is dismissed and how everything works in different situations when people are logging in and out, if they get a shield or not). I've been in Clash team for 3,5 years, and I have to admit that this was the most complex feature we've ever developed (at least for me it was, luckily I'm not a programmer :cool:). Even Clan Wars was an easier concept, even though it started out super complex and needed to be re-designed many times before we got wars as we know them. Anyway, thanks again for your patience and understanding, I'm really sorry for the inconvenience!

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This is the type of communication we were missing, most people are more understanding as long as you keep them in the loop. I know the past is the past hopefully in the future we can be kept abreast of what's going on. thanks for keeping us in the loop now. I am looking forward to more open lines of communication. Thanks Marika

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Originally Posted by Marika[Supercell]

We're still working on the update, so probably not much news until early next week :) The concepts are pretty solid already, and now we're finalising numbers, testing everything and fixing bugs. There are still a few bugs left, even though we fixed some big ones last week, like the matchmaking bug that caused inactive villages to appear very rarely in matchmaking (it's fixed now).

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Good things are happening, feeling excited for the update already :D

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Originally Posted by Marika[Supercell]

Thank you for your trust and understanding! It was because of your reports that we were able to identify it, find it and fix it, so huge thanks to everyone who has reported this or any other bug or glitch!!!! It really helps a lot :) The update changed quite a bit how and when a village is taken into matchmaking (when does Village Guard start and end, what happens if shield or guard is dismissed and how everything works in different situations when people are logging in and out, if they get a shield or not). I've been in Clash team for 3,5 years, and I have to admit that this was the most complex feature we've ever developed (at least for me it was, luckily I'm not a programmer :cool:). Even Clan Wars was an easier concept, even though it started out super complex and needed to be re-designed many times before we got wars as we know them. Anyway, thanks again for your patience and understanding, I'm really sorry for the inconvenience!

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Sorry Marika, but my ♥♥ detector is going crazy. SC removed most inactive bases from MM on purpose, to force us to use full attacks. Everything else in that update points at the same direction ("full attacks are better and everyone loves them" msg all over the removal of sniping topic). Saying this was a bug is just silly. Own up to your actions and we will respect and support you more.

To all "quit whining" members out there, take a look at this. Complaining when something is wrong pays off sometimes.

Did you fixed bug when the same base repeating in search queue couple times? I can find the same base 5 times in one search session if nexting >100.

please review this bug SC

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Fixed now, as in the game we are all playing no longer has the bug? Or Fixed now, as in the version that is being developed/tested by SC no longer has the bug?

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The latter - when they roll out the update to fix the disaster that was TH 11 update Cash of Cans (There's no CLash and way fewer CLans) will allow us to see and raid abandoned / not played on recently bases with loot since they see the idea of forcing all of us to buy loot with gems didn't work.

Still no mention of the wide array of other things that still need fixing... smh.

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Did you fixed bug when the same base repeating in search queue couple times? I can find the same base 5 times in one search session if nexting >100.

please review this bug SC

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That's not a bug. It's an intentional gold drain on the economy. #YouHaveBeenTaxed XD

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Originally Posted by Marika[Supercell]

Thank you for your trust and understanding! It was because of your reports that we were able to identify it, find it and fix it, so huge thanks to everyone who has reported this or any other bug or glitch!!!! It really helps a lot :) The update changed quite a bit how and when a village is taken into matchmaking (when does Village Guard start and end, what happens if shield or guard is dismissed and how everything works in different situations when people are logging in and out, if they get a shield or not). I've been in Clash team for 3,5 years, and I have to admit that this was the most complex feature we've ever developed (at least for me it was, luckily I'm not a programmer :cool:). Even Clan Wars was an easier concept, even though it started out super complex and needed to be re-designed many times before we got wars as we know them. Anyway, thanks again for your patience and understanding, I'm really sorry for the inconvenience!

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That's the kind of communication I'm happy to read. But don't apologize in your name, you sure weren't the one to blame.

I'm sure some not so smart decisions were made and you had to watch helplessly the rage grow while your bosses called for silence to let the storm go by.

I raised a question in another topic about your translation processes. I do have some concerns about the late quality of them. I'd be happy to talk about them in details with you or someone in charge there. Please take into account the fact that I only proofread the French one.

Thanks Marika for this.

There is no CoC bug that removed dead bases💀. SC removed them b/c they were extra loot in the game and it goes against the "Higher Ups" vision of milking Gems out of us. Same thing with the initial TH11 PBT. The game added up our online time to 3hrs then kicked us off with crazy rules to play again. Their goal for that was to force players to buy Village Guard with Gems. The term "Bug" is what their PR came up with and most players are just eating it up like fools.

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Originally Posted by Marika[Supercell]

We're still working on the update, so probably not much news until early next week :) The concepts are pretty solid already, and now we're finalising numbers, testing everything and fixing bugs. There are still a few bugs left, even though we fixed some big ones last week, like the matchmaking bug that caused inactive villages to appear very rarely in matchmaking (it's fixed now).

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Conspiracy theories disproven :smirk:

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Originally Posted by Marika[Supercell]

Thank you for your trust and understanding! It was because of your reports that we were able to identify it, find it and fix it, so huge thanks to everyone who has reported this or any other bug or glitch!!!! It really helps a lot :) The update changed quite a bit how and when a village is taken into matchmaking (when does Village Guard start and end, what happens if shield or guard is dismissed and how everything works in different situations when people are logging in and out, if they get a shield or not). I've been in Clash team for 3,5 years, and I have to admit that this was the most complex feature we've ever developed (at least for me it was, luckily I'm not a programmer :cool:). Even Clan Wars was an easier concept, even though it started out super complex and needed to be re-designed many times before we got wars as we know them. Anyway, thanks again for your patience and understanding, I'm really sorry for the inconvenience!

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Thanks Marika for sharing this :D

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This is the type of communication we were missing, most people are more understanding as long as you keep them in the loop. I know the past is the past hopefully in the future we can be kept abreast of what's going on. thanks for keeping us in the loop now. I am looking forward to more open lines of communication. Thanks Marika

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Agree
I hope that too.
It makes me happy to know what is/was going on.

I don't know if can wait another week for this update. I'm TH11 and swear I'm the only person farming in champion. Within a few minutes of losing my shield I'm gauranteed to get smashed by a maxed th11 army. Because I've farmed a lot of loot the amount I loose to one attack is completely demoralising.

I still enjoy the game, I realy like the update, I have never been a fan of sniping and sniping is correctly not the way the game was intended to be played. How many CoC-copies have the Sniping-options?

But since sniping is out, building a real army, takes to long time. You could attack with bow, but that is allmost impossible now, so you need to build a real army, and that takes to long...... 1,5 hours between attack is the real problem i belive. People no longer stays online, because it takes to long to build, and then chat is out.

Price of units is ok, but half the buildingtime and healingtime, and then the game will again be fun, and chat will be full

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I still enjoy the game, I realy like the update, I have never been a fan of sniping and sniping is correctly not the way the game was intended to be played. How many CoC-copies have the Sniping-options?

But since sniping is out, building a real army, takes to long time. You could attack with bow, but that is allmost impossible now, so you need to build a real army, and that takes to long...... 1,5 hours between attack is the real problem i belive. People no longer stays online, because it takes to long to build, and then chat is out.

Price of units is ok, but half the buildingtime and healingtime, and then the game will again be fun, and chat will be full

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I really doubt clash will come back the same level of success before this update.

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Originally Posted by alexheney

I always said it was probably a bug.

Whatever some people here seem to think, they are not stupid, and it would have been very stupid indeed to deliberately exacerbate the negative effects of the change by doing that.

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Or maybe SC realized the economy is in a bad state and their previous algorithms are no longer relevant. Then they took a few weeks to develop a new one.

Seems more probable than "We didn't mean for old bases to disappear".

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There is no CoC bug that removed dead bases💀. SC removed them b/c they were extra loot in the game and it goes against the "Higher Ups" vision of milking Gems out of us. Same thing with the initial TH11 PBT. The game added up our online time to 3hrs then kicked us off with crazy rules to play again. Their goal for that was to force players to buy Village Guard with Gems. The term "Bug" is what their PR came up with and most players are just eating it up like fools.

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I doubt that was mademon purpouse in order to milk gems, neither the lack of abandoned basesmor the pbt... Why?

the pbt doesnt increas the necesity of purchasing gems... It was annoying and all, but they even limited how much guard you can buy to once a day, and its only useful if you want to play 5 continous hours... It was an attempt at making players go higher, but players refused to and things didnt went well, but its not like buying a guard each day would solve most od the problems that people where havimg,mrather than being to solve problems it was a way for a minority of players to extend their session( most players dont play 5 hours continously) . I was never tempted to buy vg compulsively and in fact due to it being once a day only it was impossible to do that... And it isnt evne the best use of gems, 5 gems in a barrack once a day does a lot more for the player and its covered well by the gems that you get from obstacles.

on the other hand, ruining the economy to make all players gem? Its obviously something that wasnt going to happen. They know that if the economy gets ruined most players will quit and the game will die, and as much money they one, they dont want to kill the chicken of the golden eggs, with is the risk that brings ruining the economy. The mistakes where tecnical mistakes not malicious actions. mis calculations and bugs

btw, its pretty believable that it was a bug, why? Because its not weird for a change in the matchmaking and several things that heavily affects availability of villages(shield changes and vg) to produce a bug related to matchmaking

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There is no CoC bug that removed dead bases💀. SC removed them b/c they were extra loot in the game and it goes against the "Higher Ups" vision of milking Gems out of us. Same thing with the initial TH11 PBT. The game added up our online time to 3hrs then kicked us off with crazy rules to play again. Their goal for that was to force players to buy Village Guard with Gems. The term "Bug" is what their PR came up with and most players are just eating it up like fools.

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This is what happens when you have little to no communication.. It allows angry or disheartened individuals to start coming up with their own hypothesis.. Problem is, once you do finally come back and start having dialogue with your customer base some of those who felt stranded are too far gone to come back. Hope this will be a lesson on open communication.

Does anybody seriously believe the removal of dead bases was a bug? I know I don't.

Treasury will make loot safer, but also will make loot harder to get from others so basically they cancel each other out. And I'm guessing the 5star daily bonus won't be more than 100k of each.

In conclusion if you think these 3 "awesome" new things will make progressing easier you are sadly mistaken.

It may be of somewhat help to players who log on once a day to save up resources, but for farmers who want to farm 2-6 hours a day it will be even worse because armies cost the same - loot available to raid will be smaller.

You heard it here first, if that's all there is to this update it will be pile of s**t

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I doubt that was mademon purpouse in order to milk gems, neither the lack of abandoned basesmor the pbt... Why?

the pbt doesnt increas the necesity of purchasing gems... It was annoying and all, but they even limited how much guard you can buy to once a day, and its only useful if you want to play 5 continous hours... It was an attempt at making players go higher, but players refused to and things didnt went well, but its not like buying a guard each day would solve most od the problems that people where havimg,mrather than being to solve problems it was a way for a minority of players to extend their session( most players dont play 5 hours continously) . I was never tempted to buy vg compulsively and in fact due to it being once a day only it was impossible to do that... And it isnt evne the best use of gems, 5 gems in a barrack once a day does a lot more for the player and its covered well by the gems that you get from obstacles.

on the other hand, ruining the economy to make all players gem? Its obviously something that wasnt going to happen. They know that if the economy gets ruined most players will quit and the game will die, and as much money they one, they dont want to kill the chicken of the golden eggs, with is the risk that brings ruining the economy. The mistakes where tecnical mistakes not malicious actions. mis calculations and bugs

btw, its pretty believable that it was a bug, why? Because its not weird for a change in the matchmaking and several things that heavily affects availability of villages(shield changes and vg) to produce a bug related to matchmaking

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This is what happens when you have little to no communication.. It allows angry or disheartened individuals to start coming up with their own hypothesis.. Problem is, once you do finally come back and start having dialogue with your customer base some of those who felt stranded are too far gone to come back. Hope this will be a lesson on open communication.

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In response, I still don't believe that any of this is related to "Bugs" in the game but rather a deliberate attempt to dry out resources for us to gem more. I know it's speculation and will never know but that's just how I see things.

I was upset at the "Initial TH11 Update" but the PBT hot-fix quelled that fire. Now I just hope they find balance and fix the Economy. You don't have to be Goblin Kings & Queens. When you put out an honest product people will pour money into it. So I just hope SC redeem themselves from the TH11 Update. In closing its my opinion, I still play CoC and hope the game can be great again.

Since the update it's a bit like watching paint dry except watching paint dry is more exciting.

"the matchmaking bug that caused inactive villages to appear very rarely in matchmaking (it's fixed now)."

Disappearing dead base is not bug , IT IS WHAT SC WANT YOU TO PLAY . Please be honest.

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Since the update it's a bit like watching paint dry except watching paint dry is more exciting.

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i have managed to combine that with watching the grass grow

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We're still working on the update, so probably not much news until early next week :) The concepts are pretty solid already, and now we're finalising numbers, testing everything and fixing bugs. There are still a few bugs left, even though we fixed some big ones last week, like the matchmaking bug that caused inactive villages to appear very rarely in matchmaking (it's fixed now).

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I have noticed a return in dead bases to a slightly rare, but reasonable level as of late. It's way better than zero and is starting to make CoC fun again for me since I can progress again :)

Thanks for fixing the "bug"! :)

Agreed, the game has not been as entertaining, my clan hasnt been on as much, we just seem to meet once a week for war, than were off and on sporadically depending on schedules. Noone raids as much, because as soon as we use up our shield we get slammed and loose almost more than we put in, especially if we use high level troops that are needed!

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I'm still confused. As a trophy pusher, will the 5 star thingy affect how many trophies I will earn? Or will they be reduced depending on mg destruction percentage and how many stars I've earned from attacking a base?

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Nothing we have been told suggests that trophies will be affected at all by this change.

It is just an additional daily bonus for each day you manage to take a total of 5 or more stars from your attacks.

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"the matchmaking bug that caused inactive villages to appear very rarely in matchmaking (it's fixed now)."

Disappearing dead base is not bug , IT IS WHAT SC WANT YOU TO PLAY . Please be honest.

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Why do you play this game if you hate SuperCell so much?

And the only hing that could possibly have resulted in you posting that is simple hatred of them :(

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In response, I still don't believe that any of this is related to "Bugs" in the game but rather a deliberate attempt to dry out resources for us to gem more. I know it's speculation and will never know but that's just how I see things.

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So basically, you are saying that you believe SuperCell are utterly stupid.

Because that is what it would have taken for them to have deliberately reduced loot available at the same time they were making changes that would make it harder to retain loot.

And also, drying up loot would never lead to more gemming, quite the reverse.

Most people will very occasionally gem build time (particularly heroes), and quite often gem barrackls/spells bowls for boosted raiding.

Nobody with any sense uses gems to buy resources directly (which is what you are doing when you gem the "needed resources" to start a build), as it is by far the least efficient use.

But if loot is drying up, most of us would be far less willing to spend gems chasing a resource we can't find. You spend gems fopr boosting when you are pretty sure you can get a good return for them.

All we need is some dead bases back so we can have fun getting the loot and upgrade our camps

Think swag wagon should get all "extra" loot generated. Tombstones, holiday obstacles, war loot, star bonus etc.

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In response, I still don't believe that any of this is related to "Bugs" in the game but rather a deliberate attempt to dry out resources for us to gem more. I know it's speculation and will never know but that's just how I see things.

I was upset at the "Initial TH11 Update" but the PBT hot-fix quelled that fire. Now I just hope they find balance and fix the Economy. You don't have to be Goblin Kings & Queens. When you put out an honest product people will pour money into it. So I just hope SC redeem themselves from the TH11 Update. In closing its my opinion, I still play CoC and hope the game can be great again.

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Drying loot won't increase gem use, quite opposite. SC knows this and i'm pretty sure you know this also. Yes there is some whales who gem everything, but it doesn't matter if loot is good or bad. If loot is good, people start gem barracks. Then they might gem build time if resources keeps flowing in. Gemming hero regen time.

But gemming resources if there is lack on them? I don't see that happen. If people won't get reasonable progress, they'll just play less or quit.

What comes to economy, i'm getting better loot than before update and no, not using war armies. So new adds are just bonus to me.

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How about the bug that is taking max or upper TH11s and not adding their weights properly in war. Seeing top bases that are 20k+ heavier than opponents VERY VERY often, from many clans. Seems to be a bug with higher weight TH11s. Thinking there is some cap in place that is not adding their additional war weight. Would love someone to look at this.

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And the trophy bug... im a th8 in masters... i got smashed by a maxed th9 for 30 trophies.... yet when i find th8 bases im offered 3 to 5 trophies.... he attacked a townhall down and got 30.

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Originally Posted by alexheney

Why do you play this game if you hate SuperCell so much?

And the only hing that could possibly have resulted in you posting that is simple hatred of them :(

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People still feel "wronged" by the whole thing. Heck one of my members in war can't come in and do his attacks right now even though he hasn't been on in over 5 hrs...PBt still jacked up.

SC caused a cluster "duck" by removing the TH snipe and implementing a lot of new glitchy stuff in the game, they have taken our money and us in good faith trusted them not to change the basic game play. Now, limiting the ways we can play post update.

Now they are going to implement more untested nonsense into the mix, instead of a simple fix like changing a number in already existing (cough) tested (cough) code. I.E. Collector rate increase or actual league bonuses that are high enough to function like there name. It's more like league moderate troop compensation with a gold pittance added in and some almost decent amount of DE.

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And the trophy bug... im a th8 in masters... i got smashed by a maxed th9 for 30 trophies.... yet when i find th8 bases im offered 3 to 5 trophies.... he attacked a townhall down and got 30.

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That is not a bug, it is just the way the Trophy system works and is intended to work.

Townhall level has a large effect on what bases you see to attack, but no effect whatsoever on the trophy offers you then get for those you see.

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So basically, you are saying that you believe SuperCell are utterly stupid.

Because that is what it would have taken for them to have deliberately reduced loot available at the same time they were making changes that would make it harder to retain loot.

And also, drying up loot would never lead to more gemming, quite the reverse.

Most people will very occasionally gem build time (particularly heroes), and quite often gem barrackls/spells bowls for boosted raiding.

Nobody with any sense uses gems to buy resources directly (which is what you are doing when you gem the "needed resources" to start a build), as it is by far the least efficient use.

But if loot is drying up, most of us would be far less willing to spend gems chasing a resource we can't find. You spend gems fopr boosting when you are pretty sure you can get a good return for them.

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Drying loot won't increase gem use, quite opposite. SC knows this and i'm pretty sure you know this also. Yes there is some whales who gem everything, but it doesn't matter if loot is good or bad. If loot is good, people start gem barracks. Then they might gem build time if resources keeps flowing in. Gemming hero regen time.

But gemming resources if there is lack on them? I don't see that happen. If people won't get reasonable progress, they'll just play less or quit.

What comes to economy, i'm getting better loot than before update and no, not using war armies. So new adds are just bonus to me.

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People, I believe there are smart people at SC but, when all you see is potential dollar signs or pressured from investors to increase the profits then hey, you do make terrible & utterly stupid decisions. Now I understand that people don't Gem resources but the TH11 update was geared towards getting more gems out the players. If you can't look at the update objectively then don't give an opinion. To me it's highly likely that the actual TH11 was an after thought to the actual mechanic changes.

The 'Loot Cart' could be renamed to something less lame :D

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swag wagon

sounds good, certainly a wagon is better than a cart. When i think cart i think grannies doing their shopping in nyc...

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+1 #swag #yolo #new troop confirmed

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"Swag Wagon" has a nice ring to it. [PETITION] To Officially Rename Loot Cart to Swag Wagon.

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http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...-a-better-name

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Originally Posted by Anoushka[Supercell]

Hello Clashers,

As mentioned in our latest posts, we’re currently working on an update that we intend to roll out as soon as possible. In the meantime here is a preview of what’s coming:

Introducing the new Star Bonus! Win five stars in Multiplayer attacks in order to win a daily resource bonus!

Housed in your Clan Castle, the Treasury is the safest place to store resources. Your daily Star Bonus and War Loot Bonus are automatically stored in the Treasury for safeguarding and only a very small percentage can be stolen.

Last but not least, we’ll introduce the Loot Cart. After your village has been attacked, a percentage of the stolen resources will be added to a Loot Cart in your Village. Once you collect the resources from the Loot Cart, these will be transferred to your Treasury for safeguarding.

Besides these new features, the update will also include a few bug fixes and battle balancing tweaks.

We’ll provide more details soon, stay tuned, and let us know what you think!


- Clash of Clans Dev Team ​

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Just when I think Supercell can't be any dumber....you go and do something like this....





AND TOTALLY REDEEM YOURSELF!!!!!!

Didn't read all the posts if someone already posted this, sorry for copying. Sounds like it could work.

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Agreed, the game has not been as entertaining, my clan hasnt been on as much, we just seem to meet once a week for war, than were off and on sporadically depending on schedules. Noone raids as much, because as soon as we use up our shield we get slammed and loose almost more than we put in, especially if we use high level troops that are needed!

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Same here. If I log in and have time left on my shield, Ill collect and log back out rather than do a raid, raiding is just not worth the cost any more.

I have TH7, 8 and 9 bases. The TH 8's were newly upgraded just before the TH11 update, and it's been nearly impossible to progress past the items that require more than 1 Million gold or elixir, elixer is the biggest problem, my TH8 base is still raiding with th7 troops because I cannot upgrade them without gemming! I do not believe the people who claim that they can progress, it's just not possible although maybe if you are an extreme player which 99% of us are not and never will be (we have lives to live outside the game).

Before the update, my TH9 base was fully maxed except for walls, all were lvl 9 and heroes were lvl 15. I've been playing since the update, and my gold has hit $3M only about 5 times (quickly used on walls), my elixer never grows past 2-1.5M, my DE does grow and I have been able to upgrade my Barb King from 15 to 18. If I was a new TH9, I'd be in deep trouble, or gemming like I had money to burn. I'm glad I held back from upgrading to TH10, I feel sorry for those that did just before or after the TH11 update.

Since the TH11 update, the effect on game play for me, is that I only log in about twice a day. If I have a lot of hours left on my shield I leave, otherwise I'll do a raid, restock the troops, and log right back out. I'm interacting with my clan a lot less, and have not participated in any wars because I'm trying to get my heros to level 20 - we still cannot use upgrading heros in wars which is really stupid IMO, I'm not alone on this one, major grievance everyone has. To me, there was absolutely no improvements gained from the TH11 update, only a massive set of disadvantages.

The upgrades and patches since TH11 update seem to have the effect of encouraging us to play less often rather than more, it seems to be illogical, but Sup Cell has another game just like this, Boom Beach.

As an observation, what's happening is that CoC is being morphed into a Boom Beach style of game. BB has the weird effect that you get punished as you progress and play more, and it's very frustrating. After you play too often you end up getting only super high level bases to hit, so the only way to progress is to stop playing for days until your level drops low enough that you start getting reasonable bases again. Of course you could buy a bag full of diamond$ LOL! Anyway, this is what is becoming of CoC, a game that punishes you when you play too often, forces you to spend hard earned real money to progress, and encourages you to play less unless you spend a regular amount of money on gems. Of course that's the whole point of the game, make SC as much money as possible, so it's good for them if they can better profit from it, but too bad for the rest of us. The problem Sup Cell has, is when too many people leave, there won't be anyone left that want to buy gems, also if the game becomes too boring, less people will bother with it and just stop playing. I'll spend money only on a fun game, not a boring one. Boom Beach is a boring game IMO.

Personally, I'm not encouraged by the proposed patch. The "cart" is BB style, it will reward players for being attacked! BB does that too. If you get attacked you get rewarded with diamonds, and you also get rewarded by having your level drop so that you can eventually return to being matched with lower level bases rather than super high level bases. I can see where CoC is headed after the patch, I'll leave my base out in the open with holes in the walls, sit back for a week, log in and collect my rewards! Woo hoo! Fun fun fun Boom Beach style!

I don't know why I'm even bothering to log in here and rant about what is going on, the game will never be the same again, and nothing we're going to say in here will change that. If Sup Cell earns less money than before the update, will they revert back? I don't know, but money is the only thing that'll motivate change, so how much more or less money they make will be the only thing that'll change their minds. The problem with this strategy, is that CoC can easily die and never rebound no matter what SC does. As people leave, they may never come back. Also a smart enough competitor can certainly cash in on the damage that's being done and sway players away to their game. I've already tried a few competing games, but so far they all suck compared to what CoC was, plus I have no time to put into rebuilding stuff to where I'm at now with CoC, that's the only reason I've stuck around since the TH11 update, but my time in the game is at least 1/2 of what it used to be and dropping.

Okay. I like the idea but you should put all spell time on 15 minutes. Thanks

The solutions that Supercell are putting out there seem quite involved, and contain a lot of weasel phrasing about how much loot will actually be stored in your cosmic piggy bank or whatever. Given how simple it seemed to be to create this issue it is somewhat surprising they take so long to come up with such a convoluted 'solution'.

I guess I will have to see what it all means for my ability to progress within the game once it is all in place, and whether it has enough to restore what appears to be a flagging and rather demoralised customer base.

Just my thought.