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Originally Posted by Progenitor

I disagree. Loot retention is not a problem. If you have that problem, build a better base. I have only had about 10 shields since the update dropped (bronze-champs playing). The issue is having to build 400k army's to gain 400k resources. Elixer is stagnant for th10 and 11's for the most part. The bonuses are not enough. It took me from the update till now to start researching max dragons. One of the few last elixer upgrades I need. So, maybe this update will help the scrub th6 players, but not the serious war clans/clashes imo

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I must disagree with your disagree here. I think the most painful point is different among players based on
a) what th/progression level they are
b) the league they are in
c) do they have a well defended base to begin with.

Gaining loot via raids was a major issue just after the update. recently loot available in raids is MUCH improved. many of my clanmates are hitting bases with loot totals that look like pre-upgrade. I'm mid-th9 in crystal 1 and loot is decent.

My own issue is still that once I hit >1.5 mil of a resource, and especially if I gain that in gold AND elixer -- or with 40k+ DE, I get hit by a stronger player (usually th10 or max th9) and lose 200k+/400k+/2k+. There is very little I can tweak to stop these overpowered attacks against me, and those lost resources takes quite a while (several raids for the elixer at least) to rebuild. So I can't really save for more than one upgrade/type at a time and four of my FIVE builders are now always sleeping. All the gold I get goes straight to my walls. once elixer upgrades are done it will go the same place. Dark Elixer I need TONS of for remaining troop/hero upgrades.

This update explanation sounds goofy, but will wait and see and hope for the best.

If you play it the way it was intended to play it takes about 2hours to have an army,
if you only 1 star the enemy's you raid it takes atleast 10 hours a day to get that reward🙈
Would be nice if they bring back Th sniping, then it wouldnt be so hard to get 😜

Let me lay out a real game experience post December patch.

TH10
AQ 22
BK 25
Walls mostly 10 some 9
Was a max 9 so upgrading from there

Post Dec update:

My trophy count has climbed up to 3200 from defense. I actually had walked away from the game for about 3 weeks because of the update and only collected from my collectors. Every base I find is a solid defensive setup. To successfully attack I need to build a pretty expensive army and that can get stuffed. The cost of the army is really only the first element and by itself could be managed.

Here is where it gets more economically challenging. Lets go with a 6 Golem attack (160k elixer, 5200 DE cost), about 2 1/2 hours to produce. Luanch my attack, result is ~55% 1 or 2 star on a solid TH10 or scrub TH11. Loot take probably around 150-200k of each 3k DE plus my 80% champs 1 bonus of 160 each and 1000 DE. 310k of each 4K DE. Start my next army and log off. Get notification of village being raided. Log in to see a TH11 hits me for 250-300k gold, 180k elixer and 3500 DE. So a wash on gold, a wash on elixer after army cost, and I was in negative on DE before the raid so -3500 added to the already -1000 from army cost. But I got a shield. Now my next army will be ready 2 1/2 hours into my 12 hour shield so 9 1/2 hours left minus the 3 hour penalty for attacking will leave me 6 1/2 hours of shield. Rinse and repeat attack results.

On good day when Im not at work busy with stuff I can badically get 2-3 attacks in during my shield process. Overall I'm gaining very little after army cost and getting wiped by a maxed out TH11, I'm 100% losing DE regardless of attack and defense results based on army cost. Giants really just dont cut it against level 3 infernos so golems or get stuffed. Anyone that posts about Barching at these trophy counts post december update is full of it. It's very discouraging and as a TH10 trying to max out defensives structures that cost 8mil gold a pop its very difficult as your available loot makes you a very attractive target and an easy target because your defensive structures arent maxed out. So its a vicious cycle, heros and defenses arent maxed so I'm an easy target therefore saving to max out it very difficult.

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Originally Posted by twistedoak

My solution:

Decrease the cooking time for troops, spells and heroes. Cooking time significantly (not supercell definition either) decreases with league.

You get a percentage of elixir back (purple and dark) for every successful attack. The percentage significantly increases with leagues.

I think this would solve most problems.

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Yezz indeed, this problem is even bigger then the loot issues! Waiting on your troops to become ready ... This is effecting the whole gameplay, in a negative way :(:(

I am not against these ideas but none will fix the problems we face. These are overly complicated new features that don't address the problem. So many wonderful suggestions out there and the fact that the gem boost has improved the economy proves we need a much higher output.

These solutions are fine additions but we need defensive loot bonus, shield based on % of army used & loot taken, increased collector output, increased league bonuses.

Before up date you could use a hero so no cost to earn loot bonus & keep doing this until you find anther snipe because no cooking time for troops ppl you raided got free shield you got loot every one happy. Now after update you have to use best troops to win raids with two stars & get enough percentage for max loot bonus then wait to cook troops to raid again. You have taken away form us a way we could get lots of loot & cups & give us a shield that we can hide behind and get a few raids behind.

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Originally Posted by BazJoe

Take this as an example. If you were trying to play basketball and you have only been learning the game for a couple months then someone shutdown the gym you used to go to for practice and forced you to play with nba pros and those pros kept telling you to stop whining and learn how to play the game, I would imagine things would get a bit frustrating to some constantly getting ball stolen or blocked, getting crossed up and generally feeling hopelessly useless on the court. These people are trying to vent some frustrations here and some are actually trying to offer suggestions to improve the game. In my example there will always be people who will accept nothing less then opening their old gym back up but there are also others that would like to move into the new future of the game as long as they feel able to improve (ie upgrade their village) to just say I'm Scrooge McDuck swimming in gold you must be doing it wrong is arrogant and doesn't help the community.

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The problem with this analogy is that the players who are no good at basketball are asking the NBA players to play with a child sized ball, allowing double dribbling and having the hoops only 8 foot off the ground.

You're suggesting that the players who are struggling should set how the game should be played by everyone else?

Just give us dead bases that's all we need! Don't take villages out of matchmaking so early! If I am offline on my mini account The village gets out of matchmaking after about 48 hours offline! Offline means never open the game otherwise that doesn't work! JUST GIVE US MORE DEAD BASES AND ALL THE FARMERS WILL BE HAPPY

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Originally Posted by scoy15

The difference between the loot cart and TH sniping is the availability of bases to hit ad loot available to raid. I agree, it seems weird to get rewarded for losing resources BUT TH sniping hid about 80% of bases immediately upon becoming available thus removing the chance to raid those bases for what they are fully worth. This chance compensates people to make up for the loss of league bonuses while sniping, but also keeps those bases and loot available. It's a great change.

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I've said this in other threads, but I'll add it again here: Th out did not remove bases from matchmaking permanently.
They came up to be attacked every 12 hours.

If they were full of loot (stores, mines&collects, or both) they got flattened. If not full then they were either nexted over, or hit for just the TH & league bonus. The time between the hits allowed them to fill up.

Now they don't get the time needed to fill up by being removed from the matchmaking cue, so there's less loot in the overall game, and bases without loot stay in the cue longer as well.

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Originally Posted by Jackleman1

Let me lay out a real game experience post December patch.

TH10
AQ 22
BK 25
Walls mostly 10 some 9
Was a max 9 so upgrading from there

Post Dec update:

My trophy count has climbed up to 3200 from defense. I actually had walked away from the game for about 3 weeks because of the update and only collected from my collectors. Every base I find is a solid defensive setup. To successfully attack I need to build a pretty expensive army and that can get stuffed. The cost of the army is really only the first element and by itself could be managed.

Here is where it gets more economically challenging. Lets go with a 6 Golem attack (160k elixer, 5200 DE cost), about 2 1/2 hours to produce. Luanch my attack, result is ~55% 1 or 2 star on a solid TH10 or scrub TH11. Loot take probably around 150-200k of each 3k DE plus my 80% champs 1 bonus of 160 each and 1000 DE. 310k of each 4K DE. Start my next army and log off. Get notification of village being raided. Log in to see a TH11 hits me for 250-300k gold, 180k elixer and 3500 DE. So a wash on gold, a wash on elixer after army cost, and I was in negative on DE before the raid so -3500 added to the already -1000 from army cost. But I got a shield. Now my next army will be ready 2 1/2 hours into my 12 hour shield so 9 1/2 hours left minus the 3 hour penalty for attacking will leave me 6 1/2 hours of shield. Rinse and repeat attack results.

On good day when Im not at work busy with stuff I can badically get 2-3 attacks in during my shield process. Overall I'm gaining very little after army cost and getting wiped by a maxed out TH11, I'm 100% losing DE regardless of attack and defense results based on army cost. Giants really just dont cut it against level 3 infernos so golems or get stuffed. Anyone that posts about Barching at these trophy counts post december update is full of it. It's very discouraging and as a TH10 trying to max out defensives structures that cost 8mil gold a pop its very difficult as your available loot makes you a very attractive target and an easy target because your defensive structures arent maxed out. So its a vicious cycle, heros and defenses arent maxed so I'm an easy target therefore saving to max out it very difficult.

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Lets hope the update adds enough loot for cases like this. Enough daily reward from the 5* bonus and % back from defense that you come out ahead.

You might also try some other attack combos that work better for certain type of loot. I switch to air attacks to build dark elixir. And use golem usually only 4 being effective enough to build elixir up without losing DE. Ash posted some examples with giants that also worked pretty well for me against maxed TH10 and one thing helped is skipping multi inferno for a single target inferno.

Is this not what Dominations has? And carts? Or is it like Dominations daily gem quests? I think Supercell are playing Dominations now, lol.

lets hope it brings back some of the fun we used to have. Hopefully the bug fix will sort war matchmaking which is utter pish at the moment.

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Originally Posted by heisenberg42

Lets hope the update adds enough loot for cases like this. Enough daily reward from the 5* bonus and % back from defense that you come out ahead.

You might also try some other attack combos that work better for certain type of loot. I switch to air attacks to build dark elixir. And use golem usually only 4 being effective enough to build elixir up without losing DE. Ash posted some examples with giants that also worked pretty well for me against maxed TH10 and one thing helped is skipping multi inferno for a single target inferno.

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Giants around twenty, 15 wizards, few wall breakers mix of archer barb an gobs in rest, few spells. Then I pray. Still not cheap, but golems are costly beasts. Normally does job around 22-2300.

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Originally Posted by drogbauk

Why you add too many features like loot cart or whatever?? Just increase league bonus 50% and remove 30% troop and 70% damage, or you can rollback old coc system and everyone will be happy! More time more many people quit!! Not everyone check forum or facebook too see whats going on!

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This.

Why does SC make things so complicated? The beauty of the original game was its simplicity. Now, with the update then the update to the update, it's getting very convoluted.

They should revert back to the original game idea, make it so sniping THs doesn't give a shield and just increase loot bonuses. I don't know anything about c h e a t ing, but I've read some posts saying it still happens, so the update didn't fix that. If someone's been online for 4-6 hours, kick them for 15 minutes straight so their base gets attacked. If it doesn't, let them back on for 4-6 more hours.

No more of this PBT on/off/on/off stuff and confusing loot storages.

Supercell, make the game simple again!

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Originally Posted by Rogalian

Early TH10, sitting just below Masters and working my way up. Offering max storage loot to anyone that wants to take it. Using a variation of Matty's Arcanum base, so straightforward enough to grab a few stores and the TH. All collectors boosted.

Not been attacked in 2 days. No trophy drops, no milking, no 29%. It's like I'm invisible.

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Push up to champs, I'll help you out ;)

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Originally Posted by saxxonraider

I've said this in other threads, but I'll add it again here: Th out did not remove bases from matchmaking permanently.
They came up to be attacked every 12 hours.

If they were full of loot (stores, mines&collects, or both) they got flattened. If not full then they were either nexted over, or hit for just the TH & league bonus. The time between the hits allowed them to fill up.

Now they don't get the time needed to fill up by being removed from the matchmaking cue, so there's less loot in the overall game, and bases without loot stay in the cue longer as well.

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You are wrong. If you don't log into your account for 48 hours it is removed from the cycle. This has been confirmed by many people(including myself) that have dead accounts. You won't find a dead base in search that hasn't seen any activity for 48 hours.

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Originally Posted by Beee007

Before up date you could use a hero so no cost to earn loot bonus & keep doing this until you find anther snipe because no cooking time for troops ppl you raided got free shield you got loot every one happy. Now after update you have to use best troops to win raids with two stars & get enough percentage for max loot bonus then wait to cook troops to raid again. You have taken away form us a way we could get lots of loot & cups & give us a shield that we can hide behind and get a few raids behind.

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Fair description of how broken it really was, pre-update, yep.

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Originally Posted by billman71

I must disagree with your disagree here. I think the most painful point is different among players based on
a) what th/progression level they are
b) the league they are in
c) do they have a well defended base to begin with.

Gaining loot via raids was a major issue just after the update. recently loot available in raids is MUCH improved. many of my clanmates are hitting bases with loot totals that look like pre-upgrade. I'm mid-th9 in crystal 1 and loot is decent.

My own issue is still that once I hit >1.5 mil of a resource, and especially if I gain that in gold AND elixer -- or with 40k+ DE, I get hit by a stronger player (usually th10 or max th9) and lose 200k+/400k+/2k+. There is very little I can tweak to stop these overpowered attacks against me, and those lost resources takes quite a while (several raids for the elixer at least) to rebuild. So I can't really save for more than one upgrade/type at a time and four of my FIVE builders are now always sleeping. All the gold I get goes straight to my walls. once elixer upgrades are done it will go the same place. Dark Elixer I need TONS of for remaining troop/hero upgrades.

This update explanation sounds goofy, but will wait and see and hope for the best.

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This happened pre update wether your town hall was out or not. If you had loot you were flattened. The snipe had no negative impact I the game, it was removed because the deva didn't like it.

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Originally Posted by NCSU44

The things mentioned will not rebalance and will not make it easy to play without waiting 1.5 to 2.5 hours for spells, troops, heroes, etc... It is strange to me they put the game in a position where you are encouraged NOT to play.

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If you wanna play back to back games, pay up and boost. If you're casual, and just wanna play occasionally, you're fodder for the paying customers, and you have to wait.

Welcome to the freemium software publishing model.

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Originally Posted by Anoushka[Supercell]

... the Loot Cart. After your village has been attacked, a percentage of the stolen resources will be added to a Loot Cart in your Village. Once you collect the resources from the Loot Cart, these will be transferred to your Treasury for safeguarding.

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Originally Posted by QueenBeeq

These solutions are fine additions but we need defensive loot bonus,

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IMO This was addressed in the OP via the Loot Cart.

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Originally Posted by QueenBeeq

shield based on % of army used & loot taken, increased collector output, increased league bonuses.

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I agree something needs to be done about the shields - nothing mentioned in the OP addresses this.

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Originally Posted by QueenBeeq

increased collector output

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For folks taking advantage of the one gem boost this is already doubled and it does not seem to be helping the overall economy IMO

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Originally Posted by QueenBeeq

increased league bonuses.

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IF SC truly SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASED the league bonuses and offered other perks (e.g. reduced training times for troops, spells and heroes and elixir for troops) then everyone would have a real incentive to move up leagues rather than drop cups. Alas SC is only interested in forcing us to play the game they way they meant for it to be played rather than have fun clashing our way...

As part of their apology for the terrible TH 11 update they could let us use heroes in war even when upgrading... #WishinHopinPrayin

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Originally Posted by QueenBeeq

I am not against these ideas but none will fix the problems we face. These are overly complicated new features that don't address the problem. So many wonderful suggestions out there and the fact that the gem boost has improved the economy proves we need a much higher output.

These solutions are fine additions but we need defensive loot bonus, shield based on % of army used & loot taken, increased collector output, increased league bonuses.

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Why is it so hard for Supercell to see this? They seem to be missing the most obvious things.

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Originally Posted by Rampantarmadillo

If you wanna play back to back games, pay up and boost. If you're casual, and just wanna play occasionally, you're fodder for the paying customers, and you have to wait.

Welcome to the freemium software publishing model.

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It seems to me SC only wants everyone to attack 4-6 times per day with a massive war army, spells and heroes, nexting until I find a target with loot that leaves me with a net gain. Not everyone wants to nor can do that. #Boring

What will the "paying customers" do when the fodder quits? Cannibalize each other I guess #HaveFunWithThat

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Originally Posted by PennyP

Why is it so hard for Supercell to see this? They seem to be missing the most obvious things.

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Because SC is only interested in forcing us to play the game they way they intended for it to be played.

More than a daily quest I am interested in the amount of that bonus. Out of experience with SC I doubt it will be worth it, but let's wait and see.

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Originally Posted by Rampantarmadillo

Fair description of how broken it really was, pre-update, yep.

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?????????? It was not broken before update it's broken now

I think the new features coming will fix the loot issues as long as the amounts bonus loot and loot cart loot amounts are based both on TH level and league. The only problem left for me will be that we can't raid in multiplayer at my level (th11) without heroes and can't war with out them, particularly our AQs. this means if I start a 7 day upgrade, I basically can't raid for a week. I sure can't be expected to fully gem every 7 day upgrade? Also my hero regens are 80mins which means relentless painful waits between raids and its going to worse with every upgrade. Then as we all know we can't use upgrading heroes in war so I can't war for many months until my heroes are L40. Again gemming isn't an option because I would have to gem full 7 day upgrades every week. If these time frames were halved I probably would gem them. So yeah, I believe SC will solve the loot issues with the upcoming upgrade, but its still incredibly difficult for high levels to raid and war regularly because of the hero upgrade and regen issues. Most clans with high levels have half of their members sitting out of war now because they can't war, not because they don't want to. It's absolutely destroying the social aspect of the game because so many members cant be very active because of the mentioned hero issues. I'm not sure if SC understand how much this is killing the game on social level.

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Originally Posted by Haxl33t

Is it me or every update makes things more complicated?

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Each update is getting more complicated.

I don't understand why they don't do something simple like increase league bonuses.

That would encourage people to push into higher leagues, which is something SC wants, and it would put more loot into the economy.

They need to stop with all these crazy extras. Why are they overthinking it?

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Originally Posted by BazJoe

I agree the cc stores need to be bumped if this is going to work well but it's never going back to th snipes. While I understand your frustration, the game is now more challenging. This update will hopefully provide relief for some. Will have to wait and see how this is rolled out.

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I have no problem with the challenging part, my beef is with PBT..they limited our play time, forced us to long ♥♥♥ breaks..cut war loot % ..used to att 400 to 500 times a month, now 50 to 60 times ...i was never a sniper or will be, i was out to get your resources not to get some trophies..there is loot out there but you need a war army to get it, it takes 2h30min to cook that army and while you wait for that army all that loot you just gained and more could be gone the next time you log back in to raid again, or when PBT kicks in...no way to progress now without gems guys..btw im a th11 with over 6.5k wins..over 1.5b loots each..forgot how much dark..😂😂

Last night I had an army cooked and didn't attack.
first because I had signed on with 71/2h left in my shield. So did one attack and had 4 1/2 left. After heroes woke up, there was 3 1/4h left. So if I did an attack, I would lose my shield with dead heroes.
second- the timing was such that if I did allow myself to get hit with heroes down, the 12h shield would end at a bad time for me to do a hit the next day.
and this is how I have reasoned my game time since the update.
before the update, I cooked a large army that usually took an hour. I never saw why I should cook something that was a lot faster than my hero regen, since I have always gone for storages. Normally army cook time was still shorter than hero regen, so I would donate wiz while waiting for regen.
but, before the update I would attack once and hour (about), knowing that if I was attacked it was about only a 1:4 chance of an attack against me.
pre update I was doing at least 8 attacks a day, on non boosting days
since the update, in the last 6 days I have done 10 total attacks. Not because I don't want to spend the elixer, but because I get wiped out for the same de I can take back and it's treading water. I got out my pencil and figured out it nets more to stay under shield.
and Since I get mostly max th9 in my search, the attacks aren't mindless. I have to put on my war mentality and be focused and ready. Many times I'm not in that mood. I'm not crying about it, just a reason why I don't attack as much. It still is fun to wipe out a base and get their de, but Just that I'm not in the focused state on mind to do it. I have always saved that focus for war.
now I'm in the tapping club. And will probably just use multi now as a way to try out war attacks, stop upgrading heroes and keep attacking just 1-2 times a day. The other games I have found recently hold my interest more, mostly because I can play on my schedule not theirs.

The intention of supercell from this update is to help players keep more of their loot.

so let's say that a th9 loses everyday about 500k per resource, 100k per resource daily bonus + 100k per resource refund from supercell will make it in such a way that this th9 will only lose 300k per resource. So instead of losing 1 million resources per day, the loss will be reduced to 600k total resources.

I was watching some of youtubers who dreamt that this will be a million per resource daily bonus. It will not be so. Please manage your own expectations. The whole idea behind it is that you do not lose as much so you will be able to make easier profit. So do not expect to be making profit without raiding.

and if you are a th4, do not think you will be getting 100k per resource, this will probably depend on either TH level or trophy level or combination of both. I suspect you will get back 10 to 20% refund, and you will get up to 100k per resource daily bonus.

My only suggestion is to make the treasury 100% safe.

Even before this was announced I was thinking how can supercell help players defensively: without lowering the amount of loot taken from base: and the answer is that supercell will "sponsor" some of the loot taken.

Anyway, this is very helpful update and very creative and fun. Looking forward to it.

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Last night I had an army cooked and didn't attack.
first because I had signed on with 71/2h left in my shield. So did one attack and had 4 1/2 left. After heroes woke up, there was 3 1/4h left. So if I did an attack, I would lose my shield with dead heroes.
second- the timing was such that if I did allow myself to get hit with heroes down, the 12h shield would end at a bad time for me to do a hit the next day.
and this is how I have reasoned my game time since the update.
before the update, I cooked a large army that usually took an hour. I never saw why I should cook something that was a lot faster than my hero regen, since I have always gone for storages. Normally army cook time was still shorter than hero regen, so I would donate wiz while waiting for regen.
but, before the update I would attack once and hour (about), knowing that if I was attacked it was about only a 1:4 chance of an attack against me.
pre update I was doing at least 8 attacks a day, on non boosting days
since the update, in the last 6 days I have done 10 total attacks. Not because I don't want to spend the elixer, but because I get wiped out for the same de I can take back and it's treading water. I got out my pencil and figured out it nets more to stay under shield.
and Since I get mostly max th9 in my search, the attacks aren't mindless. I have to put on my war mentality and be focused and ready. Many times I'm not in that mood. I'm not crying about it, just a reason why I don't attack as much. It still is fun to wipe out a base and get their de, but Just that I'm not in the focused state on mind to do it. I have always saved that focus for war.
now I'm in the tapping club. And will probably just use multi now as a way to try out war attacks, stop upgrading heroes and keep attacking just 1-2 times a day. The other games I have found recently hold my interest more, mostly because I can play on my schedule not theirs.

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yeah... almost same situation with me.. before and after i have always used proper army but i always worry with syncing hero regain times with shield times :(

hero regain time should be reduced!! (+1)

I don't think they did loot bonus because that would have the side effect of forcing people up to balance out loot and people would cry it narrows various play styles and emphasizes bigger armies even more.

No creating loot out of thin air across the board in some way was needed that wouldn't punish people in a back handed way. This does that.

Just to make sure I understand the loot cart thing correctly, and I know this may be a critical detail that we don't know yet, but...

It's an obstacle that appears after you get attacked, like a tree or gem box is now, and contains a set amount of resources, theoretically in proportion to the amount you lost in the attack, or perhaps corresponding to your TH level or experience level.

Can only one of these things appear on your map at any time, or could a more casual or patient player just wait to get attacked a bunch and then pop a bunch of these at once and suddenly have enough to pay for a Level 2 Golem upgrade or a Level 3 Pekka?

I almost feel like the best way to get ahead on loot as a non maxed out 10 is to just drop my trophy count into like sub 600 and collect from my collectors.

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Originally Posted by Jackleman1

I almost feel like the best way to get ahead on loot as a non maxed out 10 is to just drop my trophy count into like sub 600 and collect from my collectors.

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I'll bet BIGGER FISH (i.e. TH11 and MAX TH 10) are already there raiding folks like you ...

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Originally Posted by PhilISuppose

The problem with this analogy is that the players who are no good at basketball are asking the NBA players to play with a child sized ball, allowing double dribbling and having the hoops only 8 foot off the ground.

You're suggesting that the players who are struggling should set how the game should be played by everyone else?

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That's not what I am suggesting at all.. I don't think th snipe is the answer I think I've been quite clear about that. however it did provide a shield for those less skilled or true casual players could hide behind. While I can agree this was an "easy button", that was the game for 3 years. I am only stating the very obvious fact that with this taken away and more "war type" bases it is forcing everyone to play a certain way. While some people can adapt and others can continue on as though nothing has happened it does alienate a segment of the clash community. While I didn't suggest anything, I will now suggest supercell make some adjustments, which they do seem to be doing. I was however trying to make the point that we shouldn't just assume the people who are struggling with this game are merely "playing wrong". personally I have enough time to make this new system work for me, but I can see the other side of the coin for those who have kids or demanding jobs or anything else really, that doesn't allow them hours a day to raid. They are used to using loot amassed from collectors and mines and a couple cheap and fast raids a night.. They then got sniped, loot intact and was able to continue progressing albeit slowly. With this new system they are attempting to raid now with war armies (regardless of that being right or wrong) and only get one attack in and now see their winnings stolen from them seconds after they log out. Throughout their busy day they may see another raid on their stores during work, perhaps another just before they finally have a chance to log in after the kids are in bed. To them they feel like sisyphus and the task of upgrading their base is insurmountable. If this is a game strictly for the focused or avid gamer then all is well and good, but if this is a game for a diverse crowd, people from all walks of life as it was for 3 years then changes need to be made. People who just tell them they are playing the game wrong are not helping this situation.

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Originally Posted by PennyP

Each update is getting more complicated.

I don't understand why they don't do something simple like increase league bonuses.

That would encourage people to push into higher leagues, which is something SC wants, and it would put more loot into the economy.

They need to stop with all these crazy extras. Why are they overthinking it?

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Because folks will not go up in leagues.

They have tried to get people to do it. But they want it super easy and are unwilling to even try.

This is a decent solution as it gives them more variables to tweak later. Active players get something for nothing and casual players have a better chance of accumulating loot.

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Originally Posted by BazJoe

That's not what I am suggesting at all.. I don't think th snipe is the answer I think I've been quite clear about that. however it did provide a shield for those less skilled or true casual players could hide behind. While I can agree this was an "easy button", that was the game for 3 years. I am only stating the very obvious fact that with this taken away and more "war type" bases it is forcing everyone to play a certain way. While some people can adapt and others can continue on as though nothing has happened it does alienate a segment of the clash community. While I didn't suggest anything, I will now suggest supercell make some adjustments, which they do seem to be doing. I was however trying to make the point that we shouldn't just assume the people who are struggling with this game are merely "playing wrong". personally I have enough time to make this new system work for me, but I can see the other side of the coin for those who have kids or demanding jobs or anything else really, that doesn't allow them hours a day to raid. They are used to using loot amassed from collectors and mines and a couple cheap and fast raids a night.. They then got sniped, loot intact and was able to continue progressing albeit slowly. With this new system they are attempting to raid now with war armies (regardless of that being right or wrong) and only get one attack in and now see their winnings stolen from them seconds after they log out. Throughout their busy day they may see another raid on their stores during work, perhaps another just before they finally have a chance to log in after the kids are in bed. To them they feel like sisyphus and the task of upgrading their base is insurmountable. If this is a game strictly for the focused or avid gamer then all is well and good, but if this is a game for a diverse crowd, people from all walks of life as it was for 3 years then changes need to be made. People who just tell them they are playing the game wrong are not helping this situation.

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Well put I say!

I don't understand why ppl are saying the updates are complicated. Theyre not complicated at all and to make it easier it's all automated, it's done for you!

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Originally Posted by xtalx

Because folks will not go up in leagues.

They have tried to get people to do it. But they want it super easy and are unwilling to even try.

This is a decent solution as it gives them more variables to tweak later. Active players get something for nothing and casual players have a better chance of accumulating loot.

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I disagree. I don't think casual players want it super easy. By definition, casual players don't care about whether the game is easy or hard, and they don't have much interest in being on the top of the charts. I know I don't.

What casual players do care about is having fun and feeling like they are making progress, and at least being somewhat competitive.

I think SC needs to take a few cues from bigger online games like World of Warcraft. That game has changed dramatically from the launch date. It's changed so much that there's almost no need for a sequel. It's not the massive game it used to be, and Blizzard made lots of changes through out the game's life cycle, but there may be some parallels for guiding a game along its life cycle. They have to keep extending the life of the game and making new challenges for older players, but they can't let new players feel left in the dust. The only solution is to make parts of the game that used to be hard easier by altering pay out or start points. It used to be that a Level 60 character in Warcraft was a god. Now Blizzard gives away Level 70's for free when you buy an expansion.


We think that the TH11 update was a cash grab by SC, but we don't know how many players were downloading each month. What SC just did the math and saw that December 2015 would be the beginning of the decline of Clash whether they put out TH11 or not? What if it was their attempt to just keep making the same amount of money they had been out of a stagnating player base?

This seems like a good update. At least they finally did something

You guys screwed up a great game by adding a bunch of convoluted stuff that even YouTube fanboys can't explain -- Shields, PBT -- in order to solve problems that didn't exist. Every time I do a search, one third ofthe people aren't in a league. Why? They quit!

Now, you are adding even more strange items to the game such as The Treasury and the Loot Cart. It just makes it more confusing.

Why not just admit you made a mistake and revert back to what was GREAT?? We'll forgive and forget.

If you guys at ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ are bored here is a task for you: Figure out how to keep people from running mods in wars.

And in the future, there is a saying we have in the States worth considering: "If it ain't broke, don't fix it"

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Originally Posted by Anoushka[Supercell]

Hello Clashers,

As mentioned in our latest posts, we’re currently working on an update that we intend to roll out as soon as possible. In the meantime here is a preview of what’s coming:

Introducing the new Star Bonus! Win five stars in Multiplayer attacks in order to win a daily resource bonus!

Housed in your Clan Castle, the Treasury is the safest place to store resources. Your daily Star Bonus and War Loot Bonus are automatically stored in the Treasury for safeguarding and only a very small percentage can be stolen.

Last but not least, we’ll introduce the Loot Cart. After your village has been attacked, a percentage of the stolen resources will be added to a Loot Cart in your Village. Once you collect the resources from the Loot Cart, these will be transferred to your Treasury for safeguarding.

Besides these new features, the update will also include a few bug fixes and battle balancing tweaks.

We’ll provide more details soon, stay tuned, and let us know what you think!


- Clash of Clans Dev Team ​

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1. So you are a SC employee and know exactly how the star bonus & loot cart work? Sweet, please give us a full run down.

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Huh?

Where on earth do you get that from?

I have said nothing that isn't pretty obvious from Anoushkas posts.

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2. Reducing the amount lost is a good thing, but as I have stated before, a more complicated fix to fix the huge problems that they have created already by making a complex system just so the game was "as intended", regardless of what made it so successful in the first place, is just insane. That in itself is a massive mistake in my opinion.

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Possibly.

Let's wait and see how it works in practice. I don't think it will add significant complexity from the players point of view, but we can't be sure until we see the actual implementation.

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Why throw out something saying "if everybody had your mindset"?

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Because it would only be a major issue of most people were determined to find ways to attack without giving a shield - which appeared from the paragraph that was responding to there to be your mindset.

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Of course it is working for some, but it has so many flaws that it is definitely NOT WORKING FOR MOST.

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I don't believe that, although neither of us is ever likely to know the effects on "most".

We can see that a number of the complaints are about the shield system - though not that many really, compared to complaints about other parts of it.

But even if half the posts on the frum were complaining about it, that would say very little about how "most" are experiencing it.

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..just have a read through a few threads, but as we both know, you are more than up to date with the general feelings on this and most of the concerns, why would you bother commenting based only on your own experiences?

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You obviously do not care about how others are finding COC since the TH11 update.

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Any reason for that nasty little lie?

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If you are doing great, good for you, but most are not.

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So when did you carry out the poll of "most"?

As has been pointed out a number of times, posts on a support type forum are not remotely representative.

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Yes, loot has been a little better of late, but the other aspects are down massively.

Other huge issues that are keeping people, including myself away are the social aspect of COC going downhill because a lot are actually training the bigger armies SC wanted (that means a lot less time online because not many sit and chat for 2 hours while they wait to raid).

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I know. I don't understand why though.

They really aren't necessary.

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The other big hit is clan wars. A lot of people do not see the point to war with their 'war troops' when they are using them for every single raid anyway...the fun of running those troops once or twice a week is gone.

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I hadn't thought of that possibility.

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Seriously, what are you seeing on here? Some of your posts are really good, but these ones seem more like troll posts. Can you not separate your own selfish gameplay from what is obviously the majority on here?

I am not having loot issues at all, but I know and understand it seems to be an issue for most...I've been standing up for them.

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Most of the posts since the 1 gem boost seem to suggest not many are having issue right now.

But I fully realise that is only because of the 1 gem boost.

I was one of the first people saying even before the update landed, that it would inevitably lead to a loot drought.

This latest change should hopefully alleviate a lot of that, so long as the amounts are genuinely significant.

Which again, we don't yet know.

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When a company drops an update that is so universally hated by the players (and is mocked by gaming sites all over the world), surely some of those people have a valid point?

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Many have valid points.

I have never suggested there are no issues with the December update.

The PBT was initially too restrictive. They changed that pretty quickly, and since then the main complaints about that have been from people who are encountering bugs with it.

Loot was always going to be a major issue. At the moment, they have a flimsy sticking plaster in place. I just hope this update will provide a better improvement.

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EDIT: OMFG...I just noticed you are not even TH10....when you get there, try getting the loot plus the 70% for your massive league bonus increase....just wow!

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I have no intention of going to TH10 until the loot issues are fixed. It is a;lways hardest at a new TH, and any loot issues will seriously exacerbate that.

Though one of my clanmates has gone to TH10 since the update and is doing better than I would have expected.

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Originally Posted by NewDamage

Firstly, if you comment on my post, please have something to say....and I have addressed many issues too, as you know very well :facepalm:.

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True.

When I responded above I was in a hurry, and didn't really have the time (or TBH the inclination) to repeat what I had posted several times just before, that is why I said look at my other posts, rather than repeating it again.

I have responded to your previous post more properly.

But my question still stands. Why do you believe the announced updates won'#t address any of the issues?

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Originally Posted by NewDamage

So you expect me to search through your profile and all your posts?

If you can't be bothered actually responding with a proper reply to a post I made to somebody else, what does that say about you?

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Why make multiple posts on the same subject? You aren't saying anything different to your previous response to me here.

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I have responded to your belated reply.....I'm still waiting for yours :).

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Perhaps you need to be given some sort of clue about how forums work.

You can't expect immediate replies to anything. Most people aren't sat on the forum all day every day (I am often on more than most, depending on the demands on me in work, but still frequently have periods of several hours without being on).

Any reply that is made the same day can hardly be described as "belated".

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Does anyone know when the update is coming out?

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Outside of Supercell?

Nope.

I'm not sure even Supercell know.

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Originally Posted by NewDamage

What problems are you saying they have heard...the dead clan problems? The people quitting problems? The fact people are less active now? Less people tagging in wars?

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By far the most common complaints since the update have been about the availability and retention of loot.

Those are the problems they are trying to address with this update.

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Originally Posted by NCSU44

WRONG - many players make a game of it. How much of this poor chaps resources can I steal and then bail when I hit 29% so the next attacker can take from him again.

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I don't think it is a high proportion, except in the low leagues.

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Originally Posted by NewDamage

I saw it all coming after the sneak peeks (you can check my older posts...all the non-♥♥♥ fanboys warned them).

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Do you realise how much use of that word damages your credibility?

It indicates you can't accept that people can rationally have different points of view :(

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I even told a few of our TH9's not to go to TH10 until after the update. One actually cancelled the upgrade after he saw what they did...they are now farming walls at TH9 because of this situation.

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And even though you probably think of me as one of those "fanboys", I was also saying exactly the same thing - from the first sneak peeks.

Suggestion: Any loot which will not fit into the Clan Castle Treasury should be added to the regular storages and so not lost (unless they are full also).

SC should be super careful with what they are trying to do cause if the people that havent stopped playing already wont stop too! The one stars has gone over 300,000 in one month! It took 3 and a half years to have 700,000 one stars! NOT LOOKING SO GOOD

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Originally Posted by NewDamage

I have come to realise that the guy I was responding to is just a clown.

He even had a go at me for not responding fast enough after I called him out for replying to me with a question, rather actually offering any opinion (I was told to look at his posts in other threads from the last 2 hours for his opinion).

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Any particular reason for that stupid lie? You know who it makes look like a "clown"? Not me.

I didn't "have a go" at you at all, and I most certainly never said anything about you "not responding fast enough".

In fact you described one of my responses as "belated".

I would never even consider the possibility of calling a response "Not fast enough" unless it was at least 2-3 days delay.

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He has still not replied after several hours (we all have other stuff to do, so don't make a point of getting a quick response, then disappear ♥♥♥♥).

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Again, I have never in any forum made any point about getting a quick response. That is simply not how forums work - as I pointed out to you in my response to your post calling mine "belated".

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Originally Posted by Darb1981

I used to Gibarch with a 20 min troop comp, usually used one heal per raid. Made good profit. Now I GiGob with a jump and a heal. I'm not granting shields, and it takes 50 min to train (spells). Somehow this is supposed to be better for the community. :facepalm:

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OK.

Why are you not using the same troops?

Removal of TH snipe didn't make any difference to the level of base you will see, so why can't you still use the same troops you did before?


If it is because you relied on hitting dead bases before, then all the reports suggest there are more of them around again now (and my experience bears that out). I still think their apparent removal was probably an accidental byproduct of the new shielding system, rather than deliberate action by SC - though it doesn't really matter to those not finding them whether it was deliberate or not.

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Originally Posted by Chazzblaster

I'm probably just nitpicking here but the Lootcart makes no sense. If I stole a bunch of loot I would not be giving a chunk back to them as a gift... :p

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Neither would I, and neither does the Loot Cart do that, from what we have been told.

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Originally Posted by Klavious

Lack of DE!?!?!?!?!

You are playing a different game than I am. DE has never flowed so freely in my 13 months of clashing.

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Agreed!! Hanging out Masters and I'm accumulating DE faster than ever. I'm using 2 or more golems and dark spells per attack as well.

Regular elixir is slow for me, but I'm getting there.

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Originally Posted by NCSU44

I do not have a problem with removing sniping either but it seems SC did not consider the ripple effects of removing town hall sniping from the game

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That is definitely true.And I am pretty sure they did not predict human behaviour well enough at all. I'm sure they did not expect a mass drop to silver league by TH10/11 players.

Though that is, of course, rather difficult to test :(

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nor does this latest update address everything that needs fixing at the moment.

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The shield issue is HUGE. It needs to be much, much, much easier to get a shield. In my opinion it is CRAZY that folks can get attacked again and again and again before getting a shield.

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I think this is only a significant issue for those high TH players in low leagues.

And IF (big IF) the star bonus is big enough and with decent differences between leagues, it could well deal with this issue, by actually encouraging those people who currently carry out deliberate 29% attacks to instead go for stars and move up leagues.

I'm excited to see how these additions play out.

I love the idea of a daily bonus. I think encouraging people to play more is good for everyone.

The new additions seem like interesting ideas that could solve the loot problem if it is well modeled.
Unfortunately, it seems obvious that these were added to better approximate a non-linear problem,
since with enough parameters you can fit an elephant.
Anyone whom has ever worked on modeling complex data can tell you, it takes a long time
to find a good solution when you overfit the data. The best solution would have been to find
the correct model based on the existing parameters.
Here Supercell seems to have taken their solution directly from Heath Robinson.
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That's not what I am suggesting at all.. I don't think th snipe is the answer I think I've been quite clear about that. however it did provide a shield for those less skilled or true casual players could hide behind. While I can agree this was an "easy button", that was the game for 3 years. I am only stating the very obvious fact that with this taken away and more "war type" bases it is forcing everyone to play a certain way. While some people can adapt and others can continue on as though nothing has happened it does alienate a segment of the clash community. While I didn't suggest anything, I will now suggest supercell make some adjustments, which they do seem to be doing. I was however trying to make the point that we shouldn't just assume the people who are struggling with this game are merely "playing wrong". personally I have enough time to make this new system work for me, but I can see the other side of the coin for those who have kids or demanding jobs or anything else really, that doesn't allow them hours a day to raid. They are used to using loot amassed from collectors and mines and a couple cheap and fast raids a night.. They then got sniped, loot intact and was able to continue progressing albeit slowly. With this new system they are attempting to raid now with war armies (regardless of that being right or wrong) and only get one attack in and now see their winnings stolen from them seconds after they log out. Throughout their busy day they may see another raid on their stores during work, perhaps another just before they finally have a chance to log in after the kids are in bed. To them they feel like sisyphus and the task of upgrading their base is insurmountable. If this is a game strictly for the focused or avid gamer then all is well and good, but if this is a game for a diverse crowd, people from all walks of life as it was for 3 years then changes need to be made. People who just tell them they are playing the game wrong are not helping this situation.

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Originally Posted by Pollux85

Just to make sure I understand the loot cart thing correctly, and I know this may be a critical detail that we don't know yet, but...

It's an obstacle that appears after you get attacked, like a tree or gem box is now, and contains a set amount of resources, theoretically in proportion to the amount you lost in the attack, or perhaps corresponding to your TH level or experience level.

Can only one of these things appear on your map at any time, or could a more casual or patient player just wait to get attacked a bunch and then pop a bunch of these at once and suddenly have enough to pay for a Level 2 Golem upgrade or a Level 3 Pekka?

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We have no idea how it will appear on your map, or even if it will be on the map itself at all.

Nor do we have any idea how much it will be able to hold, nor how much the "treasury" will hold.

I'm beginning to wonder just how much this bonus is going to be. Any ideas?

First, let me say I'm not having as difficult a time as others seem to be. Elixir is a little slow to accumulate due to having to pretty much use a full compliment of spells on every attack.

The treasury and the 5 star bonus sound OK, but please, this loot cart just seems hokey. It is actually going to generate loot, but there are better ways.

More daily achievements, these would generate loot and encourage attacking.

More single player stuff. Here you could generate loot while not effecting the shield at all. And make it interesting, give us parameters like certain troops and spells to use. This could help players get better with different styles of attacks.

For those that are saying "I don't have the time to do s sell this attacking for achievements", I don't know what to tell you. I can tell you the loot cart probably isn't going to solve your problem either. Even if you get 20% back that's not gonna help, and I think 20% would be very generous of Supercell.

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Originally Posted by Radiating

I'm beginning to wonder just how much this bonus is going to be. Any ideas?

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I think we are all wondering that (apart from those who have already dismissed it)

All this seems like such effort when all you needed to do was increase the loot bonus.

Will wait for the update before I decide. I certainly hope that it brings back all the players that have left us because of the th11 update.

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Originally Posted by Anoushka[Supercell]

Housed in your Clan Castle, the Treasury is the safest place to store resources. Your daily Star Bonus and War Loot Bonus are automatically stored in the Treasury for safeguarding and only a very small percentage can be stolen.

. Once you collect the resources from the Loot Cart, these will be transferred to your Treasury for safeguarding.

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Two questions...

1) does a very small percentage mean that it is less than the current 5% for the CC
2) does this mean that until the resources are collected from the loot cart they are not available to attackers? Or can it be looted as normal and is only protected once transferred.

Dear Supercell...

I am astonished at your newly proposed 'improvements'. It sounds like a long list of poor fixes to solve a problem that should not be there in the first place.

Your changes were very successful... You now need pretty strong armies to win battles and you have a limited window to do them... So, if you want to make enough progress a player has to use gems. And he has to play. A lot.

What you failed to realise, or do not want to understand is that a vast majority of players, who do not pay for gems and use little gems, do not want to play several hours every day. And then they do not use the game, they do not want to feel worried or know they are actually going backwards...

Exposed TH was the answer to this normal human emotion. Players could choose if they wanted to attack or not, play it safe, play it slow and if they wanted to accelerate their progression, then they would buy gems.

You have made the decision for them and if they do not play they go backwards. My little son, who is 10, used to love your game. But he mainly (used to) play at weekends. Now he looses too much loot during the week to make it fun.

So you have looked us with resources thanks to the 1-gem boost. Great, loads of great targets. But the game still remains for hard core players only.

So you are now proposing to secure some of daily bonus... Great, another incentive to play more.... How do you do so with a limited time window ? Ah, you have to use gems....

So you are now offering to secure some of the loot and gave some of the stolen loot back (what ?? The game looses track with realism...). That will only reduce available loot gained during attacks. So in the end it will be break even.

If you want to answer the criticism, you have to offer the possibility to player to chose at what rate they progress: slow if they do not buy gems. Fast is they purchase gems. But you cannot hit them and kick them out if they do not give you money... You will be left with a very peculiar player base with no mass players to do all your marketing and attract more players. You are suffocating yourself very quickly...

How many times will you have to be told and I am sure you can see it from your server tests. Players are moving away. Wait too long and they will not come back. 90% of my clan is all gone. All the kids and teenagers are gone.

Is that really what you want ?

My walls cost 3 million each and hero upgrades are 100k DE.

If your loot cart and treasury don't even come close to these numbers, I will consider it another EPIC FAIL for supercell.

The problem is when you get to 50% of these numbers you become a whale and bring max attacks that steal tons of loot.

If you have a job, family, life, do war attacks, etc. then you can't get 4 max raids in every single day, so its 1 step forward 2 steps back.

This comes under the "too good to be true" category, seriously where is the trick?

Can't you just give us a shield based on the stolen loot percentage not destruction, like 30% of available loot get a shield, easy!

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I think we are all wondering that (apart from those who have already dismissed it)

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Indeed. Making the amount is very difficult though.

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Dear Supercell...

I am astonished at your newly proposed 'improvements'. It sounds like a long list of poor fixes to solve a problem that should not be there in the first place.

Your changes were very successful... You now need pretty strong armies to win battles and you have a limited window to do them... So, if you want to make enough progress a player has to use gems. And he has to play. A lot.

What you failed to realise, or do not want to understand is that a vast majority of players, who do not pay for gems and use little gems, do not want to play several hours every day. And then they do not use the game, they do not want to feel worried or know they are actually going backwards...

Exposed TH was the answer to this normal human emotion. Players could choose if they wanted to attack or not, play it safe, play it slow and if they wanted to accelerate their progression, then they would buy gems.

You have made the decision for them and if they do not play they go backwards. My little son, who is 10, used to love your game. But he mainly (used to) play at weekends. Now he looses too much loot during the week to make it fun.

So you have looked us with resources thanks to the 1-gem boost. Great, loads of great targets. But the game still remains for hard core players only.

So you are now proposing to secure some of daily bonus... Great, another incentive to play more.... How do you do so with a limited time window ? Ah, you have to use gems....

So you are now offering to secure some of the loot and gave some of the stolen loot back (what ?? The game looses track with realism...). That will only reduce available loot gained during attacks. So in the end it will be break even.

If you want to answer the criticism, you have to offer the possibility to player to chose at what rate they progress: slow if they do not buy gems. Fast is they purchase gems. But you cannot hit them and kick them out if they do not give you money... You will be left with a very peculiar player base with no mass players to do all your marketing and attract more players. You are suffocating yourself very quickly...

How many times will you have to be told and I am sure you can see it from your server tests. Players are moving away. Wait too long and they will not come back. 90% of my clan is all gone. All the kids and teenagers are gone.

Is that really what you want ?

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Many good points here. What the December update and the proposed tweaks leave in the cold is affording players the choice of how they wish to play. Choice..... That's what made this game so successful over the last 3 or so years. Hardcore, whales, semi-casual, casual, war, and every player type in between. We could all play the game at our own pace, and indeed change that pace when we wanted. You wished to speed things up, you gemmed barracks for boosted raiding... Gemmed upgrade build times, gemmed resources. I've done a lot of gemming over the last three years.... More than most, less than some... But it was always my choice. The December update has really made the range of choice of game play very limited. It feels like if you want to progress, you have to buy and use gems. Whether you are a casual or a more active player u are compelled to use gems.

The proposed loot vault and loot cart system may also not be as great as it sounds on paper... Especially to the casual player who if they have decent loot in their storages will get rolled again and again...bleeding to death from a thousand cuts. But wait says supercell.... You will have the loot cart and cc loot storage....picture this though.... how can a casual player accumulate and keep enough loot to upgrade a wizard tower to lv9 (th11)? Only if the combined total amount of loot that can be saved in the loot cart and clan castle approaches the 8.56million gold needed (obviously using some loot in normal storages). My maxed lv6 clan castle only holds 2.6million gold..... Get the picture? Somehow I doubt SC will allow the total capacity of these loot retention systems to facilitate such loot numbers for major upgrades.

I can and have played as the game was intended to be played up until the ability of my "weak" hero levels on my th10 account. Champs 1 achieved - after the update.... So no th sniping. Was it enjoyable? Nope. Did I accumulate large amounts of loot? Nope. Did I improve my war army attacking skills, yes.... But that is what clan wars are for. At least it was. Like a lot of people, I hate feeling pressured into playing a game in a certain way - especially after playing with th snipe for 3 years. Th snipe was a pseudo form of loot vault... But it was not foolproof. Sometimes you were found by someone with a strong enough army and they would take the lot... Regardless of an exposed th. It was luck of the draw.

i honestly hope that I am wrong about my misgivings for the mentioned tweaks with the loot cart etc. unless the casual players of this game are catered for.... This game is doomed... If the casual players move en-mass to other games... All that will be left are the active sharks... Feeding off each other.... What fun!

As the great BB King once sung.... The thrill is gone baby!

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Originally Posted by Anoushka[Supercell]

Hello Clashers,

As mentioned in our latest posts, we’re currently working on an update that we intend to roll out as soon as possible. In the meantime here is a preview of what’s coming:

Introducing the new Star Bonus! Win five stars in Multiplayer attacks in order to win a daily resource bonus!

Housed in your Clan Castle, the Treasury is the safest place to store resources. Your daily Star Bonus and War Loot Bonus are automatically stored in the Treasury for safeguarding and only a very small percentage can be stolen.

Last but not least, we’ll introduce the Loot Cart. After your village has been attacked, a percentage of the stolen resources will be added to a Loot Cart in your Village. Once you collect the resources from the Loot Cart, these will be transferred to your Treasury for safeguarding.

Besides these new features, the update will also include a few bug fixes and battle balancing tweaks.

We’ll provide more details soon, stay tuned, and let us know what you think!


- Clash of Clans Dev Team ​

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Originally Posted by Micocb1

Dear Supercell...

I am astonished at your newly proposed 'improvements'. It sounds like a long list of poor fixes to solve a problem that should not be there in the first place.

Your changes were very successful... You now need pretty strong armies to win battles and you have a limited window to do them... So, if you want to make enough progress a player has to use gems. And he has to play. A lot.

What you failed to realise, or do not want to understand is that a vast majority of players, who do not pay for gems and use little gems, do not want to play several hours every day. And then they do not use the game, they do not want to feel worried or know they are actually going backwards...

Exposed TH was the answer to this normal human emotion. Players could choose if they wanted to attack or not, play it safe, play it slow and if they wanted to accelerate their progression, then they would buy gems.

You have made the decision for them and if they do not play they go backwards. My little son, who is 10, used to love your game. But he mainly (used to) play at weekends. Now he looses too much loot during the week to make it fun.

So you have looked us with resources thanks to the 1-gem boost. Great, loads of great targets. But the game still remains for hard core players only.

So you are now proposing to secure some of daily bonus... Great, another incentive to play more.... How do you do so with a limited time window ? Ah, you have to use gems....

So you are now offering to secure some of the loot and gave some of the stolen loot back (what ?? The game looses track with realism...). That will only reduce available loot gained during attacks. So in the end it will be break even.

If you want to answer the criticism, you have to offer the possibility to player to chose at what rate they progress: slow if they do not buy gems. Fast is they purchase gems. But you cannot hit them and kick them out if they do not give you money... You will be left with a very peculiar player base with no mass players to do all your marketing and attract more players. You are suffocating yourself very quickly...

How many times will you have to be told and I am sure you can see it from your server tests. Players are moving away. Wait too long and they will not come back. 90% of my clan is all gone. All the kids and teenagers are gone.

Is that really what you want ?

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Point taken.

However, if I may play Devil's Advocate here for a second, no one in any of the 2 almost full clans I'm in have been voicing complaints or unhappiness with the current state of the game and not one person out of near 100 (again, in these 2 clans) has stopped or even mentioned they were considering stopping playing the game. We have a variety of players from some who are quite active to a larger number who are too busy with life to play even on a daily basis.

I'm cautiously optimistic here, but after hearing about a "significant" loot bonus to leagues in the last update and seeing it be 10% I'm afraid we're going to see the daily bonus be a complete write off. Hope I'm wrong. Also it's hard to see this daily bonus having a huge effect on the economy since it goes into treasury and can't be stolen. When 1 gem boost goes away there still looks to be nothing to keep the economy from a second collapse.

Please cut the cost and time to make troops in half. Also please make the regeneration of the royals a max of 45 min for lv 40. Less than level 40 would be shorter regen ofcourse. Make the loot bonus from regular attacks and war attacks much more lucrative. Maybe make the loot reset on the single player map reset every month or so. With the new game mechanics, we need to attack more, and this would help us do that. I may be a fresh spawn here, but I've been playing this game for over 2 years, I've spent good money on the game, I'm a max th9 on my way to th10.

still I would be remiss if I didn't mention that I long for the days when the game allowed a variety of playing styles. Now it is all too simple, and I hate being put into a box and being forced to play the game the way you want. The game was fun, but since it was apparently broken and you have now fixed it, it would seem that the game I've been playing and loved did not really exist. Oh well it was a nice dream for 2 years. Thanks for the good times, even if it was broken.

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First, let me say I'm not having as difficult a time as others seem to be. Elixir is a little slow to accumulate due to having to pretty much use a full compliment of spells on every attack.

The treasury and the 5 star bonus sound OK, but please, this loot cart just seems hokey. It is actually going to generate loot, but there are better ways.

More daily achievements, these would generate loot and encourage attacking.

More single player stuff. Here you could generate loot while not effecting the shield at all. And make it interesting, give us parameters like certain troops and spells to use. This could help players get better with different styles of attacks.

For those that are saying "I don't have the time to do s sell this attacking for achievements", I don't know what to tell you. I can tell you the loot cart probably isn't going to solve your problem either. Even if you get 20% back that's not gonna help, and I think 20% would be very generous of Supercell.

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I agree there should be more single player missions asap. The last time single player was updated was pre-clan wars. Daily achievements sound like it could offer something as well. Not quite sure about this loot cart thing either, I'm willing to give it a chance of course but regardless of whether or not it works out SC should without doubt work on single player missions.

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Originally Posted by Anoushka[Supercell]

Hello Clashers,

As mentioned in our latest posts, we’re currently working on an update that we intend to roll out as soon as possible. In the meantime here is a preview of what’s coming:

Introducing the new Star Bonus! Win five stars in Multiplayer attacks in order to win a daily resource bonus!

Housed in your Clan Castle, the Treasury is the safest place to store resources. Your daily Star Bonus and War Loot Bonus are automatically stored in the Treasury for safeguarding and only a very small percentage can be stolen.

Last but not least, we’ll introduce the Loot Cart. After your village has been attacked, a percentage of the stolen resources will be added to a Loot Cart in your Village. Once you collect the resources from the Loot Cart, these will be transferred to your Treasury for safeguarding.

Besides these new features, the update will also include a few bug fixes and battle balancing tweaks.

We’ll provide more details soon, stay tuned, and let us know what you think!


- Clash of Clans Dev Team ​

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i dont understand, why you making this coc world very complicated?? Do you don't have other things to be developed on instead of making this economical stuffs very complicated.

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Originally Posted by PennyP

Each update is getting more complicated.

I don't understand why they don't do something simple like increase league bonuses.

That would encourage people to push into higher leagues, which is something SC wants, and it would put more loot into the economy.

They need to stop with all these crazy extras. Why are they overthinking it?

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and bingo was his name.

I get it SC would rather let clash die than give back a TH shield, so moving on from that.

There have been more dead accounts added back in, my barcher people are starting to show more replays. Too bad you can't announce when you do that kind of stuff would help with some of the more angry people.

Two points I see being brought up alot

you better be able to hide a vast sum (not like the vault nonsense in that game I quit playing awhile back cuz it was lame..oh yeah boom beach) if you can't hide enough that it makes it most of the way before you become a high value target. The problem with this complicated fix is that amount differs per player so only fraction will get the full use of this unless it is vast...substantial...far larger than SC will probably make it consider what a pittance they give for league loot bonuses.

And that hat brings me to point 2. Now that the TH snipe is killed there is no reason league loot bonuses shouldn't be given a major overhaul. Like double increased...if you want to test this out do a promo for a few weeks or a month where league bonuses are doubled crystal and up. "Who's got what it takes to be awesome" and collect data. You will see it wont break your game and will give us folks something tactile that will be helping us

i mean when everything costs millions to upgrade what's another few hundred thousand (showing my true colors. I've never end bothered even looking to see how much I get in the leagues. They've always been a joke to me I raid where the loot is and that used to be in gold/silver being a TH 8&9. Now that I'm 10 (new 10 update has been rough) I don't really raid too much. New rules are bad. I stay loot poor and war. Trophy droppers moved me to masters. Well and defenses ;)

What is the ETA on this update?

An congrats on the update, loving no more th snipes, and the vg and can raid during shield is absolutely genius. Keep the good work, and before they say Im trolling, no, i have 2billion gg and ee, and never used barch or put my th out ever, this is the way we should have play clash always

We must also realise that the loot cart bonus is going straight into your CC/Treasury. And just like war bonuses there is a cap/limit to the amount of loot that can be stored in it. So if it fills up, and you don't move it to your storages, you'll probably lose out of the resources. So people better max out their CCs so they can hold more. Of course it is gonna benefit the higher TH lvl as they will have a higher lvl CC capable to holding more loot.

so when is this coming out?

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Originally Posted by KazieL

People like u are what complicates things 😂 Just wait for it to come and then state ur opinion.
u cant understand something that still doesn't exist.

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Before it completely existed we knew the last update was going to be bad and certainly stated that, not that our opinion matters. 😑

Seriously enough with your terrible ideas and horrible patches to " fix " something that you ruined that wasn't broken to begin with. Increase league bonuses , shorten training times , or give defensive win bonus, nothing else will do.

What about this simple solution to enable casual players to take part and solve the loot issue:

The resources created by collectors, mines and drills stay in there and can be taken away from you.
The resources looted from attacks are in the storages, are available as usual to attackers, but what is stolen is not taken away from you. It stays there.

In this way, if you play you progress and if you don't you don't progress.
If you want to progress quicker you have to purchase gems.
Loot available to attackers remains the same. Loot taken from you is limited to what you did go get yourself.

That would work nicely I would say.

Let me give my 2 cent/suggestions here.

I like the Star bonus introduction, but I feel they should also change the way they give out the bonus in each league.

I think destruction % shouldn't be the basis for getting a higher loot bonus. I think they should give the old league (for champ league 180,000 gold and elix and 1200 delix) bonus whenever someone successfully give a 1 star attack and then when some was able to score 2 or 3 stars then that's the time they can give more league bonus to them. The reasoning behind it is that some players choose to just clean up everything outside until they reach 70% to get the full bonus. that's not how it was intended to do so. I believe it is much harder to attack on the inside and destroy the town hall and still manage to get the above 50% attack for 2 star than go around the base using barch and minions until you are able to destroy 70%.

moving to the second,

Since they are introducing this Treasury, why not make it a like save a % of gold/elix/dark elix for an item that we intend to upgrade.

let's say we want to upgrade archer queen to level 17 and the dark elix needed is 85,000.

so whenever we hit a certain number of dark elix looted a day, a portion is saved to the one we intend to upgrade.

for example, today I was able to loot 10,000 dark elix. 10% of is automatically saved up for archer queen. and the rest is combine your current dark elix resources. In this manner, we can see a progress on our target item to upgrade and not fear that we won't be able to upgrade it because we can't reach to that required resources.

lastly, the loot cart.

I think they can further improve this loot cart by having no cap in it or we get to choose how much are we going to put in our treasury and they can also introduce a defense bonus. let's say there was a failed attack on your base, you get a league bonus resources from it.

that's just my 2 cent.

hope SC hears me out.

hi, i like these sounds , maybe reason for playing coc again... you know clash players needs simple game for play not a game with hard and complicated conditions…. after all I am waiting for your new update, thanks clash of clans team.
This is a so fantastic game which I have played ever.
best regards:)

Just asking anybody know when the update is coming.?

I guess this is really a good idea because town hall outside was playing an important role in balancing the game economy, that is when you are close to a high upgrade cost, you get heavy attacks and it's never easy to bounce back to the same wealth stolen, so you attack and get attacked again and so on, that's actually the reason many of clashers quit the game post the latest update

anyway I guess that to balance it up again that 5 star loot bonus must be quite rewarding, especially with the emerging th11 that can flatten almost any base to ground, not just steal some resources

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Originally Posted by OhhSoKazual

Point taken.

However, if I may play Devil's Advocate here for a second, no one in any of the 2 almost full clans I'm in have been voicing complaints or unhappiness with the current state of the game and not one person out of near 100 (again, in these 2 clans) has stopped or even mentioned they were considering stopping playing the game. We have a variety of players from some who are quite active to a larger number who are too busy with life to play even on a daily basis.

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Wow, really? How can they do that with the new pbt for just 3... er... I mean 4 hours? Wait... Just what is definition of quite active to you? And if it's true, can I join your clan? You know, just wanna be sure that there is some clan out there that's not petering out in activity after the last fiasco of an update (unless, yours are a new clan with mostly TH6 and below, I'm quite sure they can still be very active)

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Originally Posted by Micocb1

Dear Supercell...

I am astonished at your newly proposed 'improvements'. It sounds like a long list of poor fixes to solve a problem that should not be there in the first place.

Your changes were very successful... You now need pretty strong armies to win battles and you have a limited window to do them... So, if you want to make enough progress a player has to use gems. And he has to play. A lot.

What you failed to realise, or do not want to understand is that a vast majority of players, who do not pay for gems and use little gems, do not want to play several hours every day. And then they do not use the game, they do not want to feel worried or know they are actually going backwards...

Exposed TH was the answer to this normal human emotion. Players could choose if they wanted to attack or not, play it safe, play it slow and if they wanted to accelerate their progression, then they would buy gems.

You have made the decision for them and if they do not play they go backwards. My little son, who is 10, used to love your game. But he mainly (used to) play at weekends. Now he looses too much loot during the week to make it fun.

So you have looked us with resources thanks to the 1-gem boost. Great, loads of great targets. But the game still remains for hard core players only.

So you are now proposing to secure some of daily bonus... Great, another incentive to play more.... How do you do so with a limited time window ? Ah, you have to use gems....

So you are now offering to secure some of the loot and gave some of the stolen loot back (what ?? The game looses track with realism...). That will only reduce available loot gained during attacks. So in the end it will be break even.

If you want to answer the criticism, you have to offer the possibility to player to chose at what rate they progress: slow if they do not buy gems. Fast is they purchase gems. But you cannot hit them and kick them out if they do not give you money... You will be left with a very peculiar player base with no mass players to do all your marketing and attract more players. You are suffocating yourself very quickly...

How many times will you have to be told and I am sure you can see it from your server tests. Players are moving away. Wait too long and they will not come back. 90% of my clan is all gone. All the kids and teenagers are gone.

Is that really what you want ?

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You are so right.

Please, be so kind to write a personal review in App/ Playstore.
Oh, and don't forget to rate this game with the amount of stars you see fit.

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Loot Cart do not make sense, the more incapable you are at defending the more you get. what is that about? It would make a lot more sense if like say your storage loot + league bonus is divided by attacker and defender in raids where the attacker uses at least 50% of his troops and take at least one storage. The defender will get what's left of the loot+bonus after the attacker has taken his share. If the attacker gets 100% the defender gets nothing. Collector loot is not included in this. That would be a great addition to the game, loot cart is not.

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Lol the more incapable you are at defending the more you LOSE. keep in mind the loot cart is based on what the opponent takes from you... And it is only a percentage. It acts as a buffer to both stimulate the economy and keep our heads above water after being destroyed.

it still benefits you to try and defend well, because the opponent will not be able to take as much from you. Should they wind up taking from you anyways, the loot cart gives you a bit back. It's like a "most improved player" trophy: you got smashed, but they give ya a lil something to make you feel good regardless.

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Originally Posted by Micocb1

Dear Supercell...

I am astonished at your newly proposed 'improvements'. It sounds like a long list of poor fixes to solve a problem that should not be there in the first place.

Your changes were very successful... You now need pretty strong armies to win battles and you have a limited window to do them... So, if you want to make enough progress a player has to use gems. And he has to play. A lot.

What you failed to realise, or do not want to understand is that a vast majority of players, who do not pay for gems and use little gems, do not want to play several hours every day. And then they do not use the game, they do not want to feel worried or know they are actually going backwards...

Exposed TH was the answer to this normal human emotion. Players could choose if they wanted to attack or not, play it safe, play it slow and if they wanted to accelerate their progression, then they would buy gems.

You have made the decision for them and if they do not play they go backwards. My little son, who is 10, used to love your game. But he mainly (used to) play at weekends. Now he looses too much loot during the week to make it fun.

So you have looked us with resources thanks to the 1-gem boost. Great, loads of great targets. But the game still remains for hard core players only.

So you are now proposing to secure some of daily bonus... Great, another incentive to play more.... How do you do so with a limited time window ? Ah, you have to use gems....

So you are now offering to secure some of the loot and gave some of the stolen loot back (what ?? The game looses track with realism...). That will only reduce available loot gained during attacks. So in the end it will be break even.

If you want to answer the criticism, you have to offer the possibility to player to chose at what rate they progress: slow if they do not buy gems. Fast is they purchase gems. But you cannot hit them and kick them out if they do not give you money... You will be left with a very peculiar player base with no mass players to do all your marketing and attract more players. You are suffocating yourself very quickly...

How many times will you have to be told and I am sure you can see it from your server tests. Players are moving away. Wait too long and they will not come back. 90% of my clan is all gone. All the kids and teenagers are gone.

Is that really what you want ?

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Perfect Quote to describe SuperCell lately:

"There is no worse blind man than the one who doesn't want to see. There is no worse deaf man than the want who doesn't want to hear. And there is no worse madman than the one who doesn't want to understand."

SC: I hope you don't realize TOO LATE, this business move was a BIG mistake...

Man my deepest hope right know is that the buzz about that TH11 update make enough noise to be heard by....

South Park animation team. This would be so funny.

The so-called hater VS the so-called fanboy would make an epic episode.

TH10
AQ 22
BK 25
Infernos/xbow levels 2/3
Walls mostly about half 10 half 9

Ive posted several times in this thread hoping to give SC an idea of the game they have created post Dec update and how meaningless I believe this upcoming update will be.

So for about a week now ive been trying to save to upgrade my first inferno to 3. Ive reached a point where I feel it is no longer possible to save any further as my lost loot is out weighing my gained loot. For the last 2 days I have been unable to pass 6.4 mil gold. I will get there and then get steam rolled by some maxed out TH11 and lose 450k of it bringing me back down to 6mil. Then I will attack again once or twice during my shield period and get it back around 6.4 and then lose my shield and get steam rolled again bringing me back to 6mil.

Now, I am a working professional with a life to manage so dropping everything every 2 1/2 hours when my army is ready and being johnny on the spot to try and squeeze out as many attacks as I can before losing my shield is not practical or realistic. This is the game you have created Supercell. It is unappealing to those of us not willing to make it our life. Sure if I was a youtube blogger pushing for new trophy records, exhibiting your game and being sponsored to pay for costs of living then the changes you made in December would not bother me. But I am not. I wake in the morning, make breakfast, go to work, drive in rush hour traffic home, make dinner, settle my home down for the evening and somewhere in that mix I play a little Clash.

Now let's talk about my investment in your company. It similar to the investment of the majority of player you have or had pre December. A few gem purchases here and there, perhaps using an itunes gift card from a holiday. The 1% your new gameplay style appeals to, the youtube bloggers, the Ive got to have the latest and greatest upgrades NOW players are your minority group who's overall financial contribution while individually high, is far out weighed by the collective casual majorities financial contribution.

It is clear your game is in an economic crisis as a result of your December update changes. If I was a betting man, I would bet you have lost a significant number of casual players. You have on several occassions since the update extended your 1 gem boosts in an effort to boost gem sales that have been lost as your player base shrinks. You are now attempting to apply what is essentially a hotfix for an ingame economic crisis. You will not achieve your expected results because of situations like mine, which are representative of the majority. My fiance has stopped playing all together as her newly upgraded TH9 has been thrown into Masters League where she gets steam rolled and is unable to gather loot that out weighs what she loses every 12 hours. This is what is happening to your majority player base, the ones who arent interested in pushing 5500 trophies, the ones who want to casually play the game. And most importantly, the ones that create the economy in the game.

Sincerely,
James

James good post. I also think the changes in Decembers update has forced players to play in a way they do not want to do. Expensive, slow cook army using spells and heroes means a raid every 2 hours with very low net increase in loot which WILL be taken from you by another player. Two steps forward, one and a half back, comes to mind.

The game's economics are broken, "robbing Peter to pay Paul" is not working. More resources and a safe way to keep them is needed. A small reduction of what you lose in a raid is not the answer.

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For me this would fix everything.

I get your frustration.There are some ways to adapt.I am a mid th10 farming in gold/silver leagues.Before update Masters was fun.I have stopped trying to upgrade defences.Dont care for gold.I just try to keep one hero down and research going while warring everyday.Its working for me.And I always build up only one kind of resource.So I never loose my DE.
For de farming I use gibarch with eq,freeze and rage(Th10 storages)
When it is time for elixir research I switch to mass goblins and minions(Milking).
I am still not happy about the update,it was more fun to gibarch at master than this.But hey,it works.
Also no need to gem/boost anything.

Great work Supercell! Finally!

Now, show some love to the war community.

TH9
AQ6
BK5

Me and a few of my friends have a clan, we play when we can (playing for about a year now). I'm a TH9 they are a TH8 and we don't seem to have any issues gathering loot. It does help we have the 1 gem boost right now.

Every time I get hit I get wiped for roughly 350K of each gold/elixir and loose about 2k in dark, which sucks but I get a 16hr shield and then I usually in that 16 hours can get 3 to 4 raids in (I'm adult with kids with a job and 30 minutes in 16 hours is not hard to do). With being in master league 1. I typically get the max bonus and obviously the loot I steal and I have plenty of loot to upgrade defenses.

With that said I'm not at TH10 or 11 so I can imagine the upgrades up there are quite pricey and could see the issues some are complaining about but down here in TH8 and 9 life is just fine since the update, because the shield goes down in increments my little clan is making more loot now than ever before.

I welcome the changes that SC is giving us.